What's wrong with the longsword? | Forums

[Rain-Dragon]

I have noticed that the longsword doesn't even have a blade, but rather consists of a hilt and a bar.

Like on every other sword, the longsword's blade, too, is flat and sharp.

[Dez_troi_aR]

https://ubistatic9-a.akamaihd.net/re...4kbps_ncsa.mp4

Come on, the Longsword looks great. No change needed in my opinion.
Gamers are used to bulky swords and would they be too slim, your opponent would have a harder time predicting where the strike comes from.

[Rain-Dragon]

https://ubistatic9-a.akamaihd.net/re...4kbps_ncsa.mp4

Come on, the Longsword looks great. No change needed in my opinion.
Gamers are used to bulky swords and would they be too slim, your opponent would have a harder time predicting where the strike comes from.

Are you sure we are talking about the same game?
And since when are crap things in games their own reason to keep them that way?
I don't know about you, but I want this game to be better, because I love it. You already made it clear that you don't care about the knight faction at all, so why do you keep complaining about constructive criticism?


https://youtu.be/jtN2BzcYg9Q?t=2m59s

[Dez_troi_aR]

]Are you sure we are talking about the same game?

Yes, i guess so.... What makes you question that ? Is is so absurd that i think the sword looks nice?

And since when are crap things in games their own reason to keep them that way?
I don't know about you, but I want this game to be better, because I love it.

This is just a matter of taste. You want things to be more realistic, i am happy with a lot of comic-book elements like big bulky vikings and swords looking a little more heavy than they would do in real life. Personally i think that my vision and taste is closer to what the game is heading to than yours, but that might be arguable.

You already made it clear that you don't care about the knight faction at all, so why do you keep complaining about constructive criticism?

When did i say that ? I am going to main the Warden.

I don't want to "complain". I am happy about everyone posting in this forum because i am obviously a fanboy and like to discuss that game. That doesn't mean that i have to agree with your posts, who focus on the realism aspect, which is a fine thing to argue about but one that allows very different opinions. I argued against guys on the forum who want to throw realism overboard alltogether. There were requests asking for Magic attacks, including damned Pirates, someone was even asking for ForHonor to adapt the Lord of the Rings franchise in some way, so orcs etc could be included. I could not disagree more with that, that would ruin the whole concept for me. On the other hand i am also not in favour of striving for a high level of realism. After all, the game is not about Knights, Vikings and Samurai, but about the Badass-Comicbook-version of these figures. Thats why i do not have a problem with a sword not looking 100% authentic but more visually appealing.

https://youtu.be/jtN2BzcYg9Q?t=2m59s

Why did you link that (awsome) trailer ?

[WinterHt]

https://ubistatic9-a.akamaihd.net/re...4kbps_ncsa.mp4

Come on, the Longsword looks great. No change needed in my opinion.
Gamers are used to bulky swords and would they be too slim, your opponent would have a harder time predicting where the strike comes from.

Nope...

I agree with IntCel, and have been saying this for a while myself. Longsword does indeed look more like a bar of steel with a sword hilt unfortunately. There are indicators and whole body stance showing where the strike comes from. Issue is not exactly the width of the blade, a cutting oriented longsword can indeed be fairlu wide, it is the thickness of it.

Gamers being used to bulky swords as an argument would hold slightly more water had the katana and nodachi weren't depicted as slender, clean and flawless, where as Knight and Vkiing weapons are gigantic lumps of steel with a chip every 2 centimeters. In truth, katana and other similar nihonto are, generally speaking, thicker swords than majority of longswords.

Now, it is not a very big issue, and arts team have made their choice apparently. Isn't game breaking or anything like that. BUT, it is displeasing to many people's eyes never the less.

Unlike majority of games with swords, this is one takes it's inpiration form historical and martial aspects, therefore it is rather normal that people expects it's visuals to be aligned with that. And they generally are, to an acceptable degree, I am not asking it to look exactly like a documentary (most of which are at least 80 percent BS anyway). I know game is designed to appeal a wide audience, and a certain amount of "rule of cool" will be applied to it. But for someone like me, whose all time favorite sword type is longsword, this depiction is at least slightly disappointing, and I think IntCel is voicing just that. As it is, the longsword is not more visually appealing than real ones, it less so infact. Espcially seeing as katana and nodachi were chosen to look fairly clean and slender in game with much less embellishing of size, why would longsword not be treated similarly?

We are not asking visuals of weapons to look like kingdom come deliverance or even mount & blade, but at the moment IntCel linked in the trailer, you can see how ludicrously thick the blade of longsword is. At that point, it is not a sword anymore, it is a bar of steel, an ungainly bludgeon.

[Dez_troi_aR]

Well, i would not really care if they should decide to make the longsword a little slimmer to please you guys. On the other hand it is quite clear that they just follow the typical hollywood-rules of samurai beeing a highly ceremonialized sophisticated warrior culture with fine and filigrane weapons while european knights are mirroring the uncivilized and harsh culture of the so called dark centuries, whielding savage and archaic weaponry. Now spare me the history lesson, i know that is not a scientifically satisfying description of neither side, but its the For Honor setting. The fact that there are knights fighting samurai fighting vikings in this game makes me wonder why we are even arguing about this.

If you are only bothered by the visual appeal than i have no objections but if its authenticity you're after, then I am a little worried that if we go down that road and the greatsword get a more realistic design, another medieval-history-expert with an Master of Arts in Amon Amarth lyrics will come across the corner and tell us that viking helmets did not really have horned helmets. And then someone will turn up and tell you that he just watched a documentary about Samurai on youtube, which now makes him an Expert on feudal Japan, and he is quite sure that samurai armor contained more metal plates and ,godhavemercy, i really can't stomach any more of this

[Rain-Dragon]

How about simple common sense? A sword =/= an iron rod! No matter what nonsense you have heard about medieval weapons and what you claim Hollywood does. (See Highlander movie)

[Dez_troi_aR]

I don't think you try to or want to understand my perspective and i don't share your enthusiasm for authentic medieval weapons (though i think that is definatly a cool thing to be ethusiastic about! )

So i stop the discussion at this point. I hope you will have some options to customise the greatsword more to your liking, i will definitely impale a lot of foes with my massive iron rod

[WinterHt]

Well let this be one last clarification from me : Warden's weapon is not a greatsword, it's supposed to be a longsword :P.

[iHunny]

The sword in game do look thicker then the swords present on the picture yes. But I still think the game one look like a sword with great cutting power. It could also be a earlier sword thats is not a flexible sword similar to that of the katana. The picture to me, looks like a late medival sword.