Kapkan is the best trap operators right now
Frost is the best trap operators right now
Don't know / Want to see vote ETC.
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Hi every one I come to ask you this:
Who do you think is the better (not your favorit but the character whit the best tool to win a match)
Frost or Kapkan.
Perso I think Kapkan is overall the best option because of this:
Kapkan = Great guns (awesome SMG and good Shotguns(Perso i think the buff in his shotgun is a nerf because it give his shotgun way too much Recol but that just my opinion))
His Gadjet is high Risk high reward (if you trap someone it give you a kill) and he got got access to C4.
Frost = Ok guns (her guns are really not that good whene you take all the lack of attachement of her SMG I would love to take this whit a good Flash hider or even a vertical grip but you can't, Her Shotgun use to be good but right now i can't really tell since I don't play whit her shotgun (and not alot of ppl play whit it those day), Her gadjet is High risk low reward only puting ppl in DBNO and forcing you to find a good line of sight whitout exposing yourself to enemies fire (and it as hard to make hapend as the Kapkan trap right now) She lost access to the Nitro cell (A amazing gadjet for her giving her the ability to set trap better than any one (whit DBNO enemies to get double kill making her trap High risk high reward))
PERSO RIGHT NOW I think Frost is worse than Kapkan and there really no point to pick her insteed of Kapkan.
(IF i could change only one thing on those operators it would be this Remove Kapkan C4 give him the Sheild insteed, giveing him the ability to set better trap Door (hiding the EDS beind it) And I would give the C4 to frost so she can use it to make her trap High risk but also High reward (I would remove... i don't know probably the sheild since Kapkan get one...) Hope you like the idea and also fell free to tell me why you think Frost is in a better position than Kapkan right now if you think so and if not do you thing givening her the C4 would help her.
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I have seen Kapkan very successful at the Xbox One Pro League, but fairly useless in my High Ranked Matches on PC. Platform considered I would say that Kapkan is better as Frost on Consoles and worse than Frost on PC.
This is just my opinion, and I don't want to insult anyone, but it seems like it that the PC players are more concentrated as the Console players.
Kapkan, furthermore is very perdictable at his trap placements, defender spot doors, by inforced windows/doors, and certain places, where the sunlight overshines the laser. But, if you know what you are doing you will always notice the laser, or just watch out for it, besides it is very easy to see also from distance. But Frosts trap can be placed freely and in a more creative way than Kapkans.
If you place the Frost trap right you can push an enemy into a Frost trap by threatening him. If the enemy is aware of your very near presence, he will go ADS to your point, not watching for the traps and will very likely go into them.
After all Frost traps can be very effective, when you keep the opponent busy to worry about you, so he will forget to watch out for the traps.
But Kapkans trap spots are so rare and easy to predict and avoid, that it is not a beneficial choice to try him at High Rank matches.
For the guns I would say that they are very similar for me, to get head shots with Frost is as easy for me like with Kapkans PDW.
Last but on least it is very much the ask of personal taste which one you prefer.
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Well most of what you say i can't tell at 100% (for exemple i don't really think PC players are "more concentraed" really that is a bit unfair to say in my opinons (but i play on PS4 so i may be wrong)
Kapkan is sure more perdictable but i would say his trap is harder to see than the Frost trap (well if the frost trap is in a bad possition)
For the You can supress ppl to enter the trap of Frost i agreed it can be effective (if the trap work I had a enemie laying down on my trap one time and i was like really? your legs are right in the trap in the kill cam at less and i ask him he said he did't know how he did't got trap)
But you can also use some tactic whit kapkan (use red filter to make ppl more likelly to fall for it) Remove barricade and aim at the possition you can kill them if they try to remove the trap (and put some barbed wire to slow them whene they try to destroy the trap to enter the room.
In general i don't think i am a bad frost (placing trap where ppl may walk and not see it (cornor to reduce the time they have to see it, down a window etc.) And i don't pick alot of ppl I pick a similar nomber of traped ppl but well the ppl I trap whit kapkan die where the ppl i trap whit Frost don't die alwas.
For the guns perso i like a bit more the 9mm C1 but it just because of the retro look because really i do think the Spetnaz SMG is overall better more DPS and lower recol it only prob is it lower mag and higher fire rate make you lose mags faster (but it rarely a big prob take the SMG-11 it got only 16 bullets and a 1200 fire rate yet it like a prim.
Finally i do agreed it a Personal taste for exemple there is ppl that say IQ is the best operators but really right now i don't think it the casse.
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Very well, I compared ESL Pro Leagues, in a xbox one pro league match recently, in season 3, in one round all the Kapkan traps were triggered by enemies, and the other rounds at least one kill with it. I understand that this could make the Kapkan to your favourite, but I never experienced this in PC Ranked gameplay. The Kapkan ability merely affects the gameflow, sorry, just my opinion and experience so far.
Furthermore, Kapkans traps are not just very predictable, they can't used tactically. The frost trap can be set at the window, so it can't be shot from the outside. You could shoot it by jumping in, but this lets you very vulnerable during it, so the defender can easily kill you without risk. The same goes for the trap behind the shield.
The Kapkan traps offers only luck based kills, there is no tactical use involved, so I and my collegues don't consider Kapkan worth playing in Ranked. The weapons choice is clear for me, the shotguns for window camping, actually a good combination with the window trap tactic.
The only tactical value Kapkan's traps can have is the entry denial, if you plant them so, that the enemy have to go to a vulnerable position for destroying the trap, but this is very much the most what you get with them, and lucky kills sometimes, as you said before. But I prefer much more the reliable abilities, which allow to improve the effectivness with skill. There are many good defender operators which would be more beneficial for the team actually, but this is just my opinion, Doc, Rook, Bandit, Mute, Jager, Valkyrie, Frost, Castle, Smoke, Pulse are very solid operators for the defender team, and Kapkan is very weak compared with them.
The thing with Frosts traps is, that they shouldn't stay unobserved, somebody should be always in the near of the traps to finish the enemy off, otherwise the frost trap tactics make no sense.
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Frost, Castle, Smoke, Pulse I would say are really at a similar lvl (http://rainbow6.ubi.com/siege/en-us/...ity/stats.aspx Sure it only pick rate but it give a idea of there usefullness. Exemple: Tachanka is useless so he got only 0% to 1%)
"The Kapkan traps offers only luck based kills, there is no tactical use involved, so I and my collegues don't consider Kapkan worth playing in Ranked.
The only tactical value Kapkan's traps can have is the entry denial, if you plant them so, that the enemy have to go to a vulnerable position for destroying the trap, but this is very much the most what you get with them, and lucky kills sometimes, as you said before."
Well what is the no tactical part of this? and any way what is your Tactic whit Frost any way camp and take ppl that try to destroy the trap and expose themself leaping a window? Similar tactic to kapkan trap?
"The thing with Frosts traps is, that they shouldn't stay unobserved, somebody should be always in the near of the traps to finish the enemy off, otherwise the frost trap tactics make no sense."
(agreed and that where Kapkan trap shine much more)
Any way I just don't think the Frost trap take alot of ppl those day any more.
But yah I agreed since it a very personal taste.
But i do think the 2 operator would benefit form geting a Sheild for Kapkan (forcing enemie to use a grenade to destroy the EDS) and geting the Nitro for Frost (to make better reward form a trap).
BUT what do you think about those 2 item geting exchange (Kapkan gaing sheild and Frost geting the C4)
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A big problem is that kapkan is a 1 speed operator.
I would like to place the traps on both sides of the building and close as many wooden doors as possible.
But I'm just too damn slow for that. Rarely I can trap everything I want and I'm urged to place it near the objective room.
Kapkan is very effective to slow down the enemies. The moment the enemy spotted him, they can't blindly attack. The more wooden doors are closed, the longer it needs to get to the objective room.
His weapons are pretty good. The sub machine gun has no recoil it is easy to handle it. Sasg12 is my favourite one. The best way to use it is with a laser and reflex scope and by roaming around in my opinion. Although he is really loud and slow, it's possible and it's hilarious to spray those 11 shots into the back of hostiles, but you have to get really close.
I think his markarov is one of the best secondary pistols. Decent magazine and huge damage output. I even killed BB once frontally, by destroying his shield and headshot him after that.
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I do think if he had 3 speed he would be one of the best roamer but preso i like him in the objective I also think his Nitro should go to frost and he should get the sheild she got (frost is more of a roamer and a nitro fit more her theme of traping enemies whene someone get DBNO form a trap you put a nitro close to him and wait for someone to revive him than blow them out, Where Kapkan could use a sheild to make a fully EDS work (put a sheild to protect the EDS for gun fire. So they need thatcher or a grenade to passe that way.)
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2 speed would be good enough for kapkan. I think frost is perfect now. Before the patch everyone played her with her c4, never used anything else. Barb wire is a really good pick, to hide the traps a bit. I love her, she is really fun to play. C1 with extended barrel is good enough, won a lot firefights with that weapon. Her shotgun is still very strong too, if somebody can't handle the c1.
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both of these operators are in places where they are mostly just meant to slow down the enemy team IMO. that being said though i think frost does a better job of slowing down a rushing team than kapkan, especially after the twitch buff, because her welcome mats cant be destroyed by twitches drone or be seen by IQ. on the other hand though if you catch somebody in a trap then kapkan is usually better, allot of the time however it doesnt matter whose trap the person got caught in because they are the last person alive so it will kill them anyways. what is really fantastic is having both a kapkan and frost on one team each placing their traps on different sides of the same door, usually with a shield between. nobody ever expects the double trap.
