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[Ishesses]

There are a few things to consider in this:

First, Internet allow people to be anonymous. And being anonymous, people are more inclined to do things they wouldn't do in real life such as raging and being rude *cough*feralfeather*cough*. That's why the communities on Internet seem to be so rude.

Secondly, the "sub-standart" people are usually the loudest. They are the one who writes the most and are the more noticed. They are a minority but the real, serious players who are helping by giving suggestions usually go unnocited when there is a rager.

Finally, there is more to discuss with imbalance than bugs. Someone report a bug, then what? People know what the mechanic is supposed to be, they don't need to throw in suggestions to fix the bug. On the other hand, imbalance isn't as set in the stone. So people usually discuss it to help the devs find the eventual solution. There is no need to with bugs.

[feralfeather]

I agree i was rude there, and I am guilty of that accusation. But wasnt I also right to say he makes a qq threads about others making a QQ thread? He complains others being not constructive, yet lacks that himself. Maybe that triggered me and I could have said it in a kinder way. Yet I think theres truth in my opinion.

well yeah, I overdid it, but you get the point. Im sorry senpai!

[Roy_McDunno]

I hope they don't go overboard with nerfing characters based on popular outcry (i.e., the infamous Orochi). The Orochi was likely not OP, simply not very well understood due to the limited time we had to learn the game and learn the move set of each character

and that's where you are wrong, I believe.

We had like 5 days, and while some classes were medium-picked like Raider, Kensei, Berserker and so a certain extent Warden, the Orochi was picked like so much there were many times wehre half the team and more were Orochis, heck, I mostly met Orochis in duel-mode.

Now, yeah. Suppose the Orochi is not overpowered and people had not enough time to learn how to deal with him. Okay.
The game starts new, many new players who watch the "guide"-videos and go from there on. Orochi has many easy counters at his disposal, like dealing dmg when an enemy attacks (deflect), attack out of a dodge and even do damage while dashing backwards... All that + great mobility and his dashes cover a lot of ground while the Warden hobbles or limps away as his dash Okay.
Orochi has many easy and powerful combos while others are still struggling to master their characters.

But doesn't that also make him "unfair" in a certain regard? People figured out how to dominate easily with the Orochi, while others like Warden and Berserker were not so dominant?

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Now look at this from a more distanced point of view, how many opportunities the Orochi has to deal damage, be it either an enemy giving him the chance to deflect an attack, or by guard-breaking, dashing backwards/left/right while dealing dmg and attacking.
And to go even further, the DEVs said in a stream different heroes excel at different things. Like the Orochi excels at killing others. And Warden is the basis of the basis, good for new players, easily understandable and all that.

Like wat? Don't all heroes specialize on killing enemies? (Maybe not heroes like the Conquerors, but Conqs can fend off 2-4 opponents while stayin' alive.

Another forum-user already said what's wrong with the Orochi:

He feels over-designed. DEVs gave him many options to engage and deal damage, a lot of fluff and coolness + the current Weebaboo-wave and...



Now this may sound a bit "stupid", but:
If so much power is so easily accessible by so many players while other heroes limp behind, then there's something wrong.
Either the DEVs oberdesigned him so too many people chose him bc. of "coolness", or he is simply too strong and too easy to use.
And with the Orochi both seems to be the case, because there were many bad players picking Orochi, but also countless good Orochis were owning players.

[Ishesses]

I agree i was rude there, and I am guilty of that accusation. But wasnt I also right to say he makes a qq threads about others making a QQ thread? He complains others being not constructive, yet lacks that himself. Maybe that triggered me and I could have said it in a kinder way. Yet I think theres truth in my opinion.

well yeah, I overdid it, but you get the point. Im sorry senpai!

I've seen you on other threads in the forum and this is the first time that I have seen you be rude. I understand that it was to make your point, but I felt like you overdid it. However, I don't hold anything against you personally, it just annoyed me to see you act so rude. Your opinion is totally valid, perharps more than the OP, but just like you, it triggered me.

[Ymir.exe]

Roy, can we not use terms like weeaboo, please? First of all it's being used way too liberally, and secondly all it does is antagonise people. It doesn't lead anywhere productive. We all like the game, and we all want to help the devs make it the best it can be, because we all want it to be successful so we can keep playing it for a long time. No point in unnecessarily making enemies out of each other.

[Derity]

Most of what I'm seeing on these posts are people who just complain about broken characters but not actually focusing on the bugs or glitches the game has, i.e. When you back out of a queue and every person in your group has to hard reset the game in order to get a new queue or when you get into a queue with 4 people but 1 or 2 don't even get to the game and get stuck at the group leader is matchmaking screen. The developers know what's going on with the characters as they have access to almost every video that was recorded and they can see if characters are doing what they were intended. They're looking for bugs, glitches, potential cheating, etc that they may not have seen that we as a whole has.

This thread will be very useful to the developers.

[Ishesses]

This thread will be very useful to the developers.

The devs can't do anything about the community, but we can. A lot of good games also have an awesome community, and I want it to be the case for For Honor.

[Roy_McDunno]

Roy, can we not use terms like weeaboo, please? First of all it's being used way too liberally, and secondly all it does is antagonise people. It doesn't lead anywhere productive. We all like the game, and we all want to help the devs make it the best it can be, because we all want it to be successful so we can keep playing it for a long time. No point in unnecessarily making enemies out of each other.

Dude, just to make something clear: I didnt want to harm anybody. My overall tone is good humoured. But weeaboo is just a term that is more and more used like "newb" or "noob".
Sorry to say, but:

this is not meant condescending or in a rude way, but weeaboo/weeb is already being using like "noob" or "newb", just with a different meaning. It has already arrived in the internet-language, I suppose

Otaku/Weeb/Weeaboo, well yeah, if there's a bad Orochi-player who's jsut playing the Orochi to "be cool, Samurai"..

Well, I imagine them in a sailormoon-cosplay, breathing loudly while heavily typing on their keyboard and looking at their Katana-collection on the wall.

It's a fact that currently "ninjas and samurai" are considered, cool, nerd-culture and all that stuff...


I admit, maybe using "weeb" was wrong, yeah.
However when you read this from a bad Orochi-player who was only relying on dashing around and using deflect/backstab, then you seriously have to reconsider if he might not be a weeaboo deep down in his mind xD


Anyhow, back2topic:

Tje majority of the players are casuals, and often substandard-mediocre-skilled.
Is that a problem?

In my opinion, no.

The game needs to be balanced around everybody, preferably the majority.
Sure, top-tier-competitive-players would love it if the DEVs just balanced the game around them *cough* TF2 *cough* b4nny *cough* pyro *cough*, but that's not the case and wrong overall.

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Also, this forum is not there to just be serious and constructively criticise the game in order to improve it. We need shi*posts, bad posts, fun and giggles.

[Ishesses]

Roy, can we not use terms like weeaboo, please? First of all it's being used way too liberally, and secondly all it does is antagonise people. It doesn't lead anywhere productive. We all like the game, and we all want to help the devs make it the best it can be, because we all want it to be successful so we can keep playing it for a long time. No point in unnecessarily making enemies out of each other.

I've seen Roy in a lot of other threads, and he has always been respectful and helpful. Trust me, he does not want to antagonise people, and he is very productive. It's nothing against you personally, I just wanted to reassure that Roy is not a rude, useless member, and that if he made any comments that seemed rude, it wasn't meant to be.

[feralfeather]

roy is da man! weeeb! just kidding.

I enjoy reading roys posts alot, since I like his precise and on point formualtion and the good english.


well but since this thread went all out like usual, no ones wondering where the guy went that started it? that just came here to call the whole community substandard? I wonder if he has anything more to say haha