Ladder Exploit/Trick Should Be Fixed | Forums

[Suedomsa_Drol]

So, I would often find in the 4v4 mode that against some opponents if you were winning, they would break off from the fight and run towards a ladder to climb up it. If you followed them, they would let go/drop, knock you down for 1/3-1/2 of your health, and then climb back up and repeating it if you followed them. Often I saw opponents waiting at the top of the ladder for you to follow so they could drop down on you. I feel like this is a bit of an exploit and perhaps unintended cheese. I think if someone does this they should suffer the same damage as you even though they're landing on "top" of you, and/or it should only deal minimal damage or stun. I can certainly understand why someone with low health would want to climb the ladder and keep an opponent from following them, but as it is if you can lure someone into following you up you can do substantial damage or even kill them with no skill involved and very little way to predict if someone is going to do so, and the only way to "counter" this strategy is to let them go or to find another way up. Waiting at the top of a ladder for an opponent is already advantage enough in that situation, and I feel like people running away are usually hard enough to catch without having to worry about them using a tactic like this which is just frustrating and seems counter to the general feel and intent of the game. Even ledge kills which I personally find annoying are fine in 4v4, but this kind of thing isn't so much needing to utilize/pay attention to the environment so much as it seems like a gameplay exploit.

[Mr.Cigarettes]

That move is certainly not an exploit...
I often have a hard time pulling that trick because most people know better than to follow.
All you have to do is just wait them out and they'll make their move eventually.

[Dreven]

Agreed or better yet use some strategy when that person makes his way up the ladder thats when you flank him with another player.

[Suedomsa_Drol]

Whether or not it's technically an exploit doesn't really matter to whether or not it should remain as it is, and I don't think it is. Either way it's pure cheese and it just isn't fun having to plan around it. Not getting pushed off of ledges, not getting kicked into spikes, not getting physically pulled or kicked from a ladder these are all environmental hazards that can be frustrating but make a lot of sense, the way they handled "falling" off a ladder onto another player doesn't really make sense and it shouldn't be a viable strategy especially since, as I said, it's already incredibly difficult to pin someone down who's running away. It would be one thing if the person above had a kick or something if you follow too closely, but if you let go of the ladder and fall on someone you should get hurt too. Seeing someone waiting at the top of a ladder hoping someone will follow so they can just fall off of it and deal 1/3 of their health instantly is annoying and doesn't really add anything to the gameplay except for one more way to cheese your opponent.

[AcTioNGaXioN]

I disagree with you. Ladders are dangerous, deal with it. There are always more than two ways to get to an objective.

[Suedomsa_Drol]

"Ladders are dangerous, deal with it"? That's your answer. Look, no, that's crap. Ladders shouldn't become an unpassable barrier the moment an enemy starts climbing on it just because they can use a cheese tactic to force you to take a way around. I mean if they got up and waited at the top, or could kick you if you got close (where you also have the opportunity to grab them) that's one thing, but to just have ladders become inaccessible because someone on the other team has decided to sit on it and wait for you to go away is not well balanced, nor is it engaging gameplay, it's just a cheap and annoying trick that takes no real skill and no real "situational awareness" to pull off.

[DraxeI]

You can use your attack buttons to to an upwards punch/grab which if you time it right, will always win against a player coming down the ladder.

[Yggdrasil_67]

I agree it seems unfair, the player who is lower should have to time his attack just right to make the one above fall instead.