please stop with this whole pve dz talk. its pointless! | Forums

[Hugo-FOU]

All we have that is tangible right now is concepts, talk and promises tbh, Look how many times they have said one thing and we go another, or it didn't work as expected and they rolled it back/nerfed it. There are still massive hurdles to these rework changes, that can and will change before it is said and done. Nothing is 100% guaranteed with these things. All we have now is their early build ideas, and those were already delayed once due to changes ETF suggested As the PTS evolves 1.4 and it gets run through the ringer, who knows what it will be when we finally get it, were at least a month or 2 out for that to hit to the live servers, baring any further delays. We can't sit back and accept it because if they do not truly meet the LZ vs DZ concept well with the 1.4 changes, then they will feel we are ok with it. Until I can log in and play the new LZ concept and see first hand that we have gotten the free roam environment that the DZ offer,s without additional PVP enticing gimmicks and weekly/reward limitations, the parallel DZ is still something i want like the devs to note, consider and work on (as they have said they are currently doing).

At a minimum, make a dz run an incursion on a weekly timer that a group of 4 must clear for PVE. I'd be 100% ok with that as a compromise.

That's fair, but I think these changes will be in 1.4. They've been careful not to release content ideas until they had it firmed up what they were doing. Any changes as a result of the pts are likely to be minor tweaks IMO.
I say again, be patient at this stage. The concept of a PvE DZ has, again IMO, never been a bad one but it may not be needed post 1.4.

[aldramelech]

The vast majority asking for a PVE DZ never really wanted a PVE DZ, what they wanted was a free roam zone like the DZ that was equally rewarding, that's what we are about to get as far as I can tell.

The PVE DZ seemed the simplest solution and most realistic expectation because it was already there, you just needed to turn off the PVP and voila! PVE free roam, a separate server would have been required so that the normal DZ could continue and that's why people started asking for it.

So you could say that making the LZ a rewarding free roam has exceeded our expectations and is actually better for us then a PVE DZ.

If this pans out OK, you can keep the DZ, I don't want it.

[Hugo-FOU]

The vast majority asking for a PVE DZ never really wanted a PVE DZ, what they wanted was a free roam zone like the DZ that was equally rewarding, that's what we are about to get as far as I can tell.

The PVE DZ seemed the simplest solution and most realistic expectation because it was already there, you just needed to turn off the PVP and voila! PVE free roam, a separate server would have been required so that the normal DZ could continue and that's why people started asking for it.

So you could say that making the LZ a rewarding free roam has exceeded our expectations and is actually better for us then a PVE DZ.

If this pans out OK, you can keep the DZ, I don't want it.

Same here. One of the Devs, mattshotcha, asked posters what elements of the DZ they'd like to see in the LZ. So hopefully we'll get even more open world PvE content in the future.

[nuclearbroccoli]

The vast majority asking for a PVE DZ never really wanted a PVE DZ, what they wanted was a free roam zone like the DZ that was equally rewarding, that's what we are about to get as far as I can tell.

The PVE DZ seemed the simplest solution and most realistic expectation because it was already there, you just needed to turn off the PVP and voila! PVE free roam, a separate server would have been required so that the normal DZ could continue and that's why people started asking for it.

So you could say that making the LZ a rewarding free roam has exceeded our expectations and is actually better for us then a PVE DZ.

If this pans out OK, you can keep the DZ, I don't want it.

I agree that revamping the LZ it's an even better solution than creating an alternate DZ. However, I'm still hoping they can balance the DZ properly down the line, as there are players like myself who actually like PvP, as long as it's skill based rather than loot based and it doesn't hinder progress.

[vvhorus]

PVE players having loot is of no concern to PVP players, they don't PVP and don't mix with PVP players so what possible difference does it make? "Ahh but I'm taking all that risk for my loot" cry the PVP crowd, but hang on a min, isn't that what you enjoy? You enjoy that risk right? That's why you PVP, Is not PVP it's own reward for you?

"But that's not fair if I have to risk myself to get loot and you dont!" they wail, Nope, your risking exactly what I'm risking, my valuable time. If I solo a 2 phase UG and get wiped towards the end, I've wasted my time, if you get killed in PVP you've wasted your time and your time is no more valuable then mine.

This isn't about risk, it never was because the whole concept of risk in the DZ is just bollocks, this is about a dying game mode that very few people want to play and the toxic people who still do worrying about not having people to gank anymore.

Now there is a free roam LZ with equal loot the PVE population won't be going into the DZ (and lets face it few of us were anyway) and that's what really upsetting the PVP crowd, no more fighting people that don't fight back, no more ganking solo players and clapping over dead bodies whilst trash talking to them, no more easy kills.

And that means that they'll have to fight each other and where's the fun in that right? There are a very small minority of TRUE PVP players that have skill and want a challenge, they don't hang around check points and safehouses, they don't gank solo players and your they're ***** now, get used to that.

Bravo!! +1