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  • Eve is dead

    1 9.09%
  • Eve is immortal

    1 9.09%
  • Eve is in The Grey

    1 9.09%
  • Eve's Blood Vial is the Key

    2 18.18%
  • Eve survived like a Sage

    4 36.36%
  • Eve has a descendant bloodline

    7 63.64%
  • Eve is Bishop

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    Eve Will Lead Us - Hybrid Theory and Analysis (Spoilers)


    You cannot kill a creed. Even if you kill all of its adherents, destroy all of its writings – these are a reprieve at best. Some one, some day, will rediscover it. Reinvent it. I believe that even we, the Assassins, have simply re-discovered an Order that predates the Old Man himself...

    - The Codex of Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad

    Adam and Eve were the first Assassins. This much we know.

    Over 75,000 years ago, back in the time of the First Civilization - the Isu, these two Human-Isu hybrids took the fight to their creators with Eve leading humanity in a bitter war for freedom.

    But was that the end of her story? Along with several other recurring characters, Eve has been namedropped and mentioned for several years now with little in substantial detail. Let us take a look at what we know so far, with a timeline.


    2009

    Within Assassin's Creed 2, the hybrids are depicted for the first time in the franchise. Revealed in the Truth video by Subject 16, Adam and Eve are seen running and parkouring within Eden from an unseen threat whilst in possession of a stolen Apple of Eden. We also see other enslaved humans, which in the AC universe means that Adam and Eve are not in fact the progenitors of the human race.



    2010

    Upon encountering Subject 16 within Assassin's Creed Brotherhood, he comes out with some interesting remarks.

    Subject 16: No time. It is far later than you know. Too late to save them.
    Desmond: Who?
    Subject 16: She is not who you think she is. Everything you hope to become, everything you hold dear, it’s already gone.
    Desmond: Explain. Please.
    Subject 16: Eden. She... in Eden. Find Eve. The key. Her DNA...
    Desmond: Tell me!
    Subject 16: I cannot... The sun... Your son... Too weak... Must replenish energy...
    Desmond: Don't go!
    Subject 16: I am with you 'til the end. Find me, in the darkness.
    People have interpreted these words in many ways. But if you look at the events in the past few games, there is some telling things here. The Phoenix Project's stated aim of mapping the Isu genome is to be able to travel back to the time of the First Civilization. If we are to assume that we will eventually travel to such a time within a game, then we already know where an Assassin needs to look. Evidently someone's DNA, a female (maybe Eve's) is a faster way of accessing Eden itself. Perhaps this is a backdoor that the Brotherhood can access outside of the Abstergo project.

    The son reference. This was always put down to 16 being confused, but now we know Desmond has a son. Clearly he has some part to play still.

    As for the darkness - well we know they both ended up in The Grey together, so perhaps thats a reference.

    It is done. The way lies all before you. Only she remains to be found. Awaken the sixth. Go. ALONE!

    - Juno
    With Lucy dead on the floor, just who exactly is Juno referring to here? Clearly someone who she considers a threat. To this day we do not yet know who.


    2011

    The data files of Revelations reveal that both Desmond and Clay are direct descendants of the hybrid Adam. But evidently not Eve. Why was this the case? We know that they gave birth to Cain and Abel. Is this an acknowledgment of a Lilith in the AC universe? Did the two hybrids split up? Many unknowns here.

    In the game ending we discover that the human-isu war was effectively ended by the Toba Catastrophe. There was a theory awhile back that Eve was in fact the woman seen carrying the child in the cinematic.


    [Credit to andyskullcandy]


    2012

    The events of Assassin's Creed 3 show that Juno was able to utilise the research of Consus, in order to extend the legacy and life of Aita through the human genome as what we now term a Sage. Was Aita the only one subjected to this process though?

    The true ending of Liberation directly mentions Eve again. Aveline discovers a message contained upon a Prophecy Disk, evidently that occurred prior to the catastrophe.

    Eve will lead us through the war of generations.
    There will be great sacrifice, great sorrow, to end the enslavement of the human race.
    Now is the time to claim our freedom. Are you with us?
    I am.
    Eve will lead us.
    Eve will lead us.

    - Three unknown individuals


    2013

    Sages take on a literal new narrative level within Black Flag. Here we are also introduced to the concept of Blood Vials, which the Isu were using to store their DNA. During the game Edward Kenway visits the Observatory twice, but on his second visit he remarks about how a load of Blood Vials have evidently been stolen. We are to assume this was done by either Aita/Bart or the Templars. Was Eve's blood amongst them?


    2014

    The Dead Kings DLC had another namedrop, but this was somewhat subtle. Once you assassinate Capitaine Rose, you are treated to a memory where he was evidently tasked to retrieve the underground artifact for another party.

    Guard: Steal the artifact, and your reward shall be far greater than anything Commandant Bonaparte has offered.
    Rose: Where do I deliver it?
    Guard: To the lady Eve.
    I find it somewhat difficult to believe that some random noblewoman would know that an artifact is even down in the crypts, let alone have the knowledge of what it contained. It is also interesting to note that for the subtitles the word lady is not even capitalised, suggesting that this Eve did not in fact even have such a title. Very interesting.

    Meanwhile in the Modern Day, the Initiates database entries reveal that Galina Voronina's mother believed she was communicating with Eve herself within an Animus. We later discover that Juno had entered her body, leading Galina to have to kill her deranged mother.


    2015

    In an interview prior to E3, Jeffrey Yohalem - writer of Brotherhood, Dead Kings, and Syndicate - dodges questions in relation to Eve. The implication I take from it is that there are some kind of plans incoming. (19:55 timestamp for reference)


    Meanwhile, the events of both the Brahmin Comic and the Chronicles Trilogy lead us two new revelations. A Piece of Eden known as the Koh-i-noor evidently has the power to control all other pieces, but the diamond can only be wielded by a female. The precursor boxes introduce us to a new concept whereby the genetic memories of individuals who have touched the box can be imprinted onto others. Did Eve once touch such a box?


    2016

    In an interview in May 2016, Eve is namedropped again.

    I just thought if you’re doing a fantasy film, the first thing about it was to have something that was seeded in some sort of scientific world. What I mean is basically the idea of DNA memory. I just thought that it was a really interesting catch, and I thought that it was a really plausible theory. And I think if you can bring something like that to a fantastical world, it hooks the audience in even more, and makes the journey even more immersive. So I thought that was the first thing, and then I just loved the idea of Templars versus Assassins, this idea of an elite group of people struggling with the idea of free will and these sort of rebels to that elite force trying to struggle for humanity, essentially. And the idea that the original Assassins were Adam and Eve and they picked the apple in the Garden was really interesting.

    - Michael Fassbender
    (source)
    By implication, this either means that we may see Eve at some point referenced in the movie, or that there have been discussions for future sequels. The character is clearly part of the narrative plans.


    2017

    In a Reddit AMA conducted with Aymar Azaizia in March 2017, Eve's name came about again. Again no answers could be given, other than she is something that has been seeded - with the implication that something is therefore coming.






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    So, what happened to Eve?

    I feel it is time for some theories. Let us take into account the above, and try to run down some of them.



    (1) Eve is Dead


    The most obvious and likely scenario. It was after all, over 75,000 years ago that she first appeared. She may well have not survived the Toba Catastrophe, and we simply do not know how her hybrid body aged or reacted to such events.

    While she lived, it may be possible that the Assassin movement lead to a solidarity in displaying red sashs. After all, Eve herself wore a red band on her arm. Ignoring the obvious Prince of Persia origins of the franchise, this would explain why nearly every Assassin proudly wears their red sash.



    (2) Eve is Immortal


    This is a hard sell, but there is some evidence. Beyond the Dead Kings namedrop, she apparently tried to contact Galina's mother in an Animus. Even if this was Juno pretending to be Eve, surely she would have only done this if somehow Eve was still around to be impersonated? Was Eve "she who remains to be found"? As she lead the war against the Isu, it would make sense for her to be viewed as a threat by Juno. Presumably then, her hybrid body somehow attained immortality.


    (3) Eve is in The Grey

    We could combine the two scenarios above to another, what if she is 'alive' within The Grey? It would still explain how she was able to contact Galina's mother.


    (4) Eve's Blood Vial is the Key

    If the Assassins somehow tracked down a Blood Vial for Eve, then Eden would be in theory unlocked for them in an Animus. Eve remains very much dead, but the Phoenix Project could hold the key to bringing her back.


    (5) Eve survived partially like a Sage


    If we assume Minerva was privy to the same data and information as Juno via Consus, it is not impossible that the Nexus and The Eye might have showed that Desmond would ultimately release Juno from the Temple. It would make sense for Minerva to have a back up plan with all of her calculations, and if Eve had been convinced to follow the same procedure as Aita, she may well be reincarnating amongst humanity and throughout time. Perhaps Galina's mother literally did see Eve within her own blood?


    (6) Eve has a descendant bloodline


    We know of Cain and Abel, but we should assume that as with Adam she somehow has a Modern Day descendant. Could this be Galina, Charlotte... we just don't know. But if such an individual exists, then the path to Eden becomes clear again. Such a descendant would likely be the one to wield the Koh-i-noor as well. Perhaps 'she' who remains to be found.


    (7) Eve is Bishop


    People have mocked this theory, but in my mind a lot of things make sense here. It literally could be any of the above scenarios playing out here, be it a Sage or immortal, but Bishop's presence draws some interesting parallels. First of all, we know Bishop is not her real name (obviously).


    Then we find that Shaun, a master with information, can find nothing on Bishop at all. Per the Syndicate database;

    So that's how I met Bishop. I know WHAT she does, she is kind of a central controller and dispatcher for Assassins around the world. She makes sure that when a Templar pops their head up, an Assassin is waiting to cut it off. Or if there's a new set of genetic memories to synchronize, she finds us a helpful soul like you to help synchronize them.

    Which is all well and good. But I still don't know WHO she is and quite frankly I'm loathe to admit it drives me bat**** crazy. I joined the Assassins by uncovering the greatest conspiracy theory known to man, and yet I can't find anything on this woman.

    Everyone's got a theory. Gavin thinks she's former CIA. My friend Harlan thinks she's a defector from Erudito, another hacker collective that no one's heard from in a while. Rebecca tells me that she actually knows the truth, but promised not to tell me.

    - Shaun Hastings, 2015
    If you did not want to be found, someone who had been hiding for generations would be very good at it. Admittedly the eye colour does not match (contact lenses!), and the face is not an exact match - but then several of the character models in Syndicate looked a little off. If it is Eve though, she is continuing the fight from the original Human-Isu war, and in a poetic cycle will lead the Assassins against the reborn Juno. I find it fascinating that this relatively unknown individual is suddenly running the shots for the Assassins. What are the Brotherhood leaders not saying that would suddenly allow this?


    Eve will lead us through the war of generations.

    Is it not interesting that in the events of Dead Kings, she just happened to drop us into a time and place that an actual Eve was operating? Coincidence?

    Bishop: Something about this memory... it's locked us out of the Helix data. That fixed it. Now, I wonder where this detour leads? Another DNA sequence perhaps. Only one way to find out.
    If you factor in that Eve was somehow after the Apple variant we found down there, she now knows that it was dispatched off to Cairo too. That's right, Egypt. The supposed next setting for the 2017 title. If the game begins with Bishop sending us to Egypt in search of the Apple, your conspiracy alarm bells should start ringing.

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    That concludes today's theories on Eve, and her impact on the Assassin's Creed universe. But what do you think her impact ultimately is? Has her legacy been and gone? Could she return? Is she still out there?

    Feel free to vote in the poll. Thanks for reading. Kudos to the AC Wiki as always.




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    Interesting read but please don't let Bishop be Eve just no don't ask.
    To be fair this should've been answered in Revelations anyway
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    This plotline was a favorite of mine back in 2012, meh
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    This is actually extremely interesting. The fact that Eve could be someone we already know, reincarnating over time, whether as a male or a female, would be shocking indeed. A great article and theory, as usual. Thank you for the nice read. I truly hope we do get to see significant progress of Eve's story in the next game, and not just small bits and pieces that we only create more theories from than actually get answers.

    I think Eve is indeed a Sage, I've written about that in an article before. It's the most logical explanation for me since she's been mentioned as a living person in many time periods and locations when she couldn't have possibly lived, given that she lived during the Isu Era and Toba Catastrophe, so she couldn't have possibly lived until today, unless she's immortal, and while that is a very interesting theory and would make for a great twist, I don't know if we have anything to base this claim on.

    On the other hand, we already know that she has a bloodline, since, as far as I remember, Galina's mother was a descendant of Eve.
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    Thanks Rino. You know it's funny, I could have sworn I read the same about Galina's mother being an Eve descendant, but after searching around a bit today I could only find mention of her vision of Eve in the Animus.
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    Originally Posted by Sorrosyss Go to original post
    Thanks Rino. You know it's funny, I could have sworn I read the same about Galina's mother being an Eve descendant, but after searching around a bit today I could only find mention of her vision of Eve in the Animus.
    You're most certainly welcome!
    To be honest, I read that saw a vision of hers, but I wondered why would she if she isn't somehow linked to her? It was more of a conclusion that I made.

    I don't know if she could've somehow entered The Grey, maybe Minerva helped her through or maybe Minerva made her a Sage. But the fact that she shows up in the Animus for someone makes her either an AI like Juno appeared to Clay while he was at Abstergo (The Lost Archives) or that she's a descendant of the person reliving those memories.
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    Originally Posted by RinoTheBouncer Go to original post
    The fact that Eve could be someone we already know
    There is only one answer.

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    One part of me wants to think big, like how you proposed that Eve is reincarnated through the years, like an anti-Sage of Juno if you will.

    At the same time, I feel like it will be something smaller and right in front of our eyes, Desmond's son. I mean, Desmond's bloodline is special in that it has all the greatest Assassins of all time, so would it be far fetched that he would be descendant of Adam and Eve themselves?
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    Originally Posted by ze_topazio Go to original post
    There is only one answer.

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    Ahahahaha! Day = made

    Originally Posted by Mr.Black24 Go to original post
    One part of me wants to think big, like how you proposed that Eve is reincarnated through the years, like an anti-Sage of Juno if you will.

    At the same time, I feel like it will be something smaller and right in front of our eyes, Desmond's son. I mean, Desmond's bloodline is special in that it has all the greatest Assassins of all time, so would it be far fetched that he would be descendant of Adam and Eve themselves?
    I've always wondered the same. I mean they seem to put all the great things in Desmond's bloodline, high concentration of Isu DNA, the descendant of Altair, Ezio, Connor and Edward Kenwaway, father of a Sage, savior of the world. Like the adds always seem to be on Desmond's side to make him even more special, so why not being a descendant of Adam and Eve?
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    Well, it's entirely possible that the mother to Desmond's son was actually from Eve's line. The chances of that though, plus the culmination of the recessive Aita gene - it's beyond convenient. Just think how much Isu DNA he would be blessed with now...

    Would be a fun repeat of the cycle though. Introducing Kane Miles, whose younger brother Abe died to mysterious circumstances.

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