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    Originally Posted by AI BLUEFOX Go to original post
    I remain optimistic and hopeful of course, that is my nature, and nobody will be more disappointed than me if PvP is excluded; not just for my personal gaming, but because I know the feedback and negativity it will engender will be greeted with unedifying glee by those that revel in the shortcomings of others and it will distract from the game and amplify complaining.!
    Ohhhh man, this is too good... are you sure you are not a Politician or a Marketing PR agent?

    Revel in the shortcomings? nah man, having shortcomings is one thing. What UBI has been doing can not be considered shortcomings. When you are used to thinking with your brain, use logic and common sense, you clearly see when someone is trying to blow smoke up your bunghole and you simply call them out on it. Better to call them out while there is hope of change and improvement than wait until game flops and then rinse and repeat the same story for the next title with the "we are changing", blah, blah, bah, blah blah..

    Being negative is not the same as being realistic and if they want to bring back what they have lost from the community (sort of their words) they are going about it just as bad as they have been doing it for the past 15 years...

    And then there is you and the arrogant French dude tooting UBI's "We can't do no harm" marketing gimmick perhaps because you feel like you can't speak your mind since they were nice enough to spend some money inviting you to Paris. Perhaps subconsciously you feel like you owe them. You know you will be angry if there is no PVP, why hide it? Isn't what this forums are for? or are the forums just for giving feedback that will never be taking into consideration let alone included in the game.

    And yes, I may be speculating about the latter but its been a year since people have been giving good feedback, including yourself and the other guys who went to Paris, and yet... not even a teaser that 1, just one, of those feedback was taken seriously or even made it to their coding/programming table.

    I'll go watch the Olympics now... can't wait to hear how wrong I am tomorrow.
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    This may be the worst marketing for a game I've ever seen. Before it was " get excited!! Ghost recon is about to drop."

    Everybody new GR. Now it's just " we haven't announced anything yet. We haven't even announced if there's multiplayer ."

    What type of game has ever been cloudy about multiplayer ?

    If Ghost Recon Wildlands doesn't have multiplayer or its complete trash, not competitive with invisibility etc then GR is done and Tom Clancy would be mad
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    Originally Posted by GiveMeTactical Go to original post
    Ohhhh man, this is too good... are you sure you are not a Politician or a Marketing PR agent?

    Revel in the shortcomings? nah man, having shortcomings is one thing. What UBI has been doing can not be considered shortcomings. When you are used to thinking with your brain, use logic and common sense, you clearly see when someone is trying to blow smoke up your bunghole and you simply call them out on it. Better to call them out while there is hope of change and improvement than wait until game flops and then rinse and repeat the same story for the next title with the "we are changing", blah, blah, bah, blah blah..

    Being negative is not the same as being realistic and if they want to bring back what they have lost from the community (sort of their words) they are going about it just as bad as they have been doing it for the past 15 years...

    And then there is you and the arrogant French dude tooting UBI's "We can't do no harm" marketing gimmick perhaps because you feel like you can't speak your mind since they were nice enough to spend some money inviting you to Paris. Perhaps subconsciously you feel like you owe them. You know you will be angry if there is no PVP, why hide it? Isn't what this forums are for? or are the forums just for giving feedback that will never be taking into consideration let alone included in the game.

    And yes, I may be speculating about the latter but its been a year since people have been giving good feedback, including yourself and the other guys who went to Paris, and yet... not even a teaser that 1, just one, of those feedback was taken seriously or even made it to their coding/programming table.

    I'll go watch the Olympics now... can't wait to hear how wrong I am tomorrow.
    Careful there dude. One of the Mods might come in here and redact everything you said because you might have insulted two of their biggest supporters and *** kissers Someone here in the Forum called one of the members "Arrogant" and their whole statement got redacted.
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    This may be the worst marketing for a game I've ever seen. Before it was " get excited!! Ghost recon is about to drop."

    Everybody new GR. Now it's just " we haven't announced anything yet. We haven't even announced if there's multiplayer ."

    What type of game has ever been cloudy about multiplayer ?

    If Ghost Recon Wildlands doesn't have multiplayer or its complete trash, not competitive with invisibility etc then GR is done and Tom Clancy would be mad
    The only thing i can think of is they want as much sales possible for The Division & Rainbow so announcing multiplayer extremely late lets those games breathe a little. It is an extremely odd practice but Ubi have so many games close to each other i guess it has to be done.
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    Originally Posted by GiveMeTactical Go to original post
    ... are you sure you are not a Politician or a Marketing PR agent?
    Yes I am sure. I am just being honest and therefore it is incredibly easy to just say it as I see it.

    Originally Posted by GiveMeTactical Go to original post
    Better to call them out while there is hope of change and improvement than wait until game flops ..
    Which is what I am doing. I just choose to do it in a way that I hope provides well articulated and informative feedback that the Devs find useful and helps them understand what we'd like. Regurgitating the same old Ubi this, Ubi that, Ubi ruined my life and ate my hamster doesn't provide anything to help. It might make you feel better to get it off your chest, but it's real old now and doesn't help any more.


    Originally Posted by GiveMeTactical Go to original post
    Being negative is not the same as being realistic
    I agree totally, I am avoiding negativity.

    Originally Posted by GiveMeTactical Go to original post
    perhaps because you feel like you can't speak your mind since they were nice enough to spend some money inviting you to Paris. Perhaps subconsciously you feel like you owe them. You know you will be angry if there is no PVP, why hide it? Isn't what this forums are for? or are the forums just for giving feedback that will never be taking into consideration let alone included in the game.
    I can speak my mind freely to the Devs any time I like, along with all the others. The very people that you are dismissive of here are the very people trying to get you what you want and what's more all of the feedback generated on the forum goes to the Dev team and it is all considered. You can make use of this opportunity or you can use your voice to keep repeating the things they have heard many times before about Ubisoft, that's your call.

    I don't feel I owe anything, I am happy to put effort into the game and giving up my precious vacation time to do so. No I will not be angry, by the way. I am not entitled to anything as far as PvP goes. I will be disappointed, as I will be disappointed if we don't get a tactical game, but angry, no.

    Originally Posted by GiveMeTactical Go to original post
    its been a year since people have been giving good feedback, including yourself and the other guys who went to Paris, and yet... not even a teaser that 1, just one, of those feedback was taken seriously or even made it to their coding/programming table..
    Which doesn't mean it's not there. What you see at games events is to attract journalists and publicity and you will see the game presented in that light. If it turns out that this is all that us hardcore fans get as well then I will be surprised and disappointed as I have said. I don't expect that to be the case though, and I haven't set my frame of reference on a pre conceived notion that assumes the worst. It is not about who is wrong and who is right as we both want pretty much the same thing. You have decided you're not getting it and I am staying open minded.
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    I have no idea if there will be PvP. It is very concerning that there is no reveal on it within 7 months of launch. Maybe because PvP takes such huge amounts of development time these days they are not ready to show it. Or maybe Ubisoft it taking example from Far Cry Primal which ditched years of history to include no editor in the game. Who knows.

    I hope they release at least a bare bones PvP for the long term fans. Something objective based to counter the map size. 8 v 8 plant the bomb or 12 v 12 zone control. Even if its a beta test at launch for PvP fans to play and feed back. GRW without PvP is criminal.

    Personally I think there wont be any PvP.

    PS Bluefox loves Ghost Recon so give him a break.
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    Dear Ubi team, as you can see, the lack of information about PVP is partially causing harsh discussions within the community.

    I am sure that this isn't your intention but people are so passionate and frustrated at the same time that such things happen more and more.

    The problem is that many fans are not confident anymore that you'll deliver the top notch multiplayer experience GR used to be many years ago. Take the CoD fans for example; with the exception of some innovations respectively some smaller changes over the years, people know that they'll get the same shooting mechanics that they know and love as well as the large mp portion with focus on adversarial every year. The same goes with a few exceptions for Battlefield, Gears and Halo (with longer release cycles though).

    On the other hand, the GR fans only got one game since march 2007 and that was Future Soldier. So in case that Wildlands won't provide PVP, we have to pray that the next installment in 2022 (2007-2012-2017-2022) will let us play adversarial mutliplayer ?

    You see, there is no confidence and trust in that regard, whereas I would bet a grand that I could play Search and Destroy in the next Treyarch CoD (in 2018) installment on Xbox One Scorpio for example.

    I can only hope that we'll get some news at Gamescom next week which would really be very nice and helpful.

    Thanks in advance
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    Originally Posted by GhostLeader- Go to original post
    Careful there dude. One of the Mods might come in here and redact everything you said because you might have insulted two of their biggest supporters and *** kissers Someone here in the Forum called one of the members "Arrogant" and their whole statement got redacted.
    If stupid and Idiot are not consider insults, I highly doubt that Arrogant falls into that category.

    Originally Posted by AI BLUEFOX Go to original post
    Yes I am sure. I am just being honest and therefore it is incredibly easy to just say it as I see it.
    Well, normally liars, politicians and marketing pr people firmly believe they are telling the truth but... isn't agreeing to disagree great!

    At the end of the day though, positivism or negativism will yield zero results, the problem is you believing that your positivism holds more value than the opposite. Finding feedback useful does not mean it will be implemented into the game... it has not been in the past. Being hopeful is one thing, being naive is anther.

    What I see is that I was lied to when I was told we would see a real gameplay at E3 and it turns out, they then comeback with the lie that well, it was meant to be like that for pr reasons. You can spin it anyway you want to spin it and possibly an 8 year old will believe that it was a real gameplay... if that is the market you are shooting for.

    I do agree that you and I are both passionate about the game, otherwise, we wouldn't be here.
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    Originally Posted by GiveMeTactical Go to original post
    If stupid and Idiot are not consider insults, I highly doubt that Arrogant falls into that category.


    Well, normally liars, politicians and marketing pr people firmly believe they are telling the truth but... isn't agreeing to disagree great!

    At the end of the day though, positivism or negativism will yield zero results, the problem is you believing that your positivism holds more value than the opposite. Finding feedback useful does not mean it will be implemented into the game... it has not been in the past. Being hopeful is one thing, being naive is anther.

    What I see is that I was lied to when I was told we would see a real gameplay at E3 and it turns out, they then comeback with the lie that well, it was meant to be like that for pr reasons. You can spin it anyway you want to spin it and possibly an 8 year old will believe that it was a real gameplay... if that is the market you are shooting for.

    I do agree that you and I are both passionate about the game, otherwise, we wouldn't be here.
    Err... liars believe they are telling the truth?

    Seriously, though, this is simple. You can provide feedback about what you'd like in the game and it may or may not get a result and you can provide criticism about Ubisoft in generic terms that can't be interpreted into game features so no result is possible. Call it naive if you like, but the former stance has a chance.

    I know that you understand this, I'd like to see you help us articulate what tactical means.
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    Since you seem to be a well articulated man, perhaps you can explain to me/us what tactical means... I am old enough to apologize when I am talking out of my bunghole and learn from it.Hell, perhaps UBI can also learn what that means and this will be a win win for everyone... you forgive me if I don't hold my breath for the latter.
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