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    Welcome to the Dark Zone!

    So your telling me That to get the best gear and buy the best blueprints, I have to go to something called the dark zone and fight Guardian Rogues who have the best gear and bought the best blueprints? But to beat them you need to have roughly the same gear in the first place?

    But wait there is more, you know The credits you need to buy those, well if you lose the fight you also lose those!

    Um. Is this working as intended?

    Story Time:

    Level 99 Rogue: "You want my Gun or Set or blueprints? You have to go through me first!"

    Level 39 Agent: "But to even have a chance to beat you, I need that gear and blueprint"

    Level 99: "Too bad this is the way the game is made, now, welcome to MY bracket. Give me all your $hit"

    Level 39: "well he got me. I'll just avoid him once I get out of the safe house"

    Level 99: " I knew you would come out of there eventually. Now give me your DZ credits!"

    Level 38: "um He killed me again and now level 38. Maybe I'll spawn the checkpoint this time... Ah **** it...this game sucks I'm out, can't progress".
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    "Buuh huuh.

    Progress. I can't progress."

    k.
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    Originally Posted by sandpants Go to original post
    "Buuh huuh.

    Progress. I can't progress."

    k.
    Make fun all you want but if you were an actual Dev. This would be considered a very real problem. Losing players means nothing to you but it means a lot to massive and Ubisoft. So those player who you think whine are simply going to other game companies.

    You don't own a business obviously cause then you would know the importance of not losing clients.

    Maybe one day you will lose lots of clients and you'll be the one doing buuiuui huuuuu
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    Good Story:

    Here's my last attempt:

    Enter DZ1 Far side/East - Restock - Exit Door - Dude/Female start saying my gear won't work - BAM*BAM*BAM*BAM - On Ground Dead, Didn't even get 1 step outside door - 4 Aholes walk up clapping/jumping jack me & call me all sorts of racial/derogatory names & tell me to GTFO of their DZ...

    Left & Won't go back...
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    Originally Posted by Technopium Go to original post
    Make fun all you want but if you were an actual Dev. This would be considered a very real problem. Losing players means nothing to you but it means a lot to massive and Ubisoft. So those player who you think whine are simply going to other game companies.

    You don't own a business obviously cause then you would know the importance of not losing clients.

    Maybe one day you will lose lots of clients and you'll be the one doing buuiuui huuuuu
    It's a difficult path to walk - cater to someone's every inconsistent wish, only to have them finally wise up and then ask you to dial back because they realize how ignorant they were.

    I've had plenty of mainstream opinions years ago. I've since not play many games, but the ones I have I've played for a long time. And I've done a complete 180 on the majority of those opinions.

    Business or not, this game already has made money. It's a single time purchase.

    Is it upsetting that it's not holding for long? Sure. But it's far from a catastrophe.

    Originally Posted by KenKoerperich Go to original post
    Good Story:

    Here's my last attempt:

    Enter DZ1 Far side/East - Restock - Exit Door - Dude/Female start saying my gear won't work - BAM*BAM*BAM*BAM - On Ground Dead, Didn't even get 1 step outside door - 4 Aholes walk up clapping/jumping jack me & call me all sorts of racial/derogatory names & tell me to GTFO of their DZ...

    Left & Won't go back...
    There are entrances that allow you to climb the wall which nobody patrols.





    How do you expect to be considered, never mind placated, with anecdotal experiences like these? I mean you can have the utter most worst experiences ever. Ganked on your first day. Nobody cares. Because very likely you deserved it. It is not that you are at fault for existing or even playing the game. But your refusal to actually do something that doesn't involve switching your brain off. And as patronizing as it sounds, you have to admit that that's what it looks like to the people who've got a grasp on the intricacies of any game - that you simply can't be bothered. Bluntly put, you are bad and you should "git gud" because if you can't be bothered then nobody owes you an explanation beyond "git gud". And when this mentality is pursued continuously, you get verbal conflict on the forums that are far from discussions. Because TBH, bothering goes both ways.


    TL;DR use a different entrance and git gud.
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    Originally Posted by sandpants Go to original post
    It's a difficult path to walk - cater to someone's every inconsistent wish, only to have them finally wise up and then ask you to dial back because they realize how ignorant they were.

    I've had plenty of mainstream opinions years ago. I've since not play many games, but the ones I have I've played for a long time. And I've done a complete 180 on the majority of those opinions.

    Business or not, this game already has made money. It's a single time purchase.

    Is it upsetting that it's not holding for long? Sure. But it's far from a catastrophe.


    There are entrances that allow you to climb the wall which nobody patrols.





    How do you expect to be considered, never mind placated, with anecdotal experiences like these? I mean you can have the utter most worst experiences ever. Ganked on your first day. Nobody cares. Because very likely you deserved it. It is not that you are at fault for existing or even playing the game. But your refusal to actually do something that doesn't involve switching your brain off. And as patronizing as it sounds, you have to admit that that's what it looks like to the people who've got a grasp on the intricacies of any game - that you simply can't be bothered. Bluntly put, you are bad and you should "git gud" because if you can't be bothered then nobody owes you an explanation beyond "git gud". And when this mentality is pursued continuously, you get verbal conflict on the forums that are far from discussions. Because TBH, bothering goes both ways.


    TL;DR use a different entrance and git gud.

    removed dude. "Get Gud" LMFAO!

    Don't need to use another spot. THEY NEED TO QUIT BEING DB's & QUIT CAMPING LIKE NOOBS!

    Next, your assuming it's my first day. It's not, removed
    31 Rogues Killed To Date...

    900+ Deaths To Date...

    It's Why I Left. To Many removedLike You Playing & Ruining It...

    WTF do you think there are so many threads about the DZ? I'm not the only 1 removed
    So, you can _____________ yourself!

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    For what it's worth I found exactly the same thing, I go nowhere near the dark zone it is a pointless waste of time.

    I think that the idea of allowing these morons to go rogue in the first place was badly thought out. It is a playground for bullies, I won't give them their "fun".

    The other thing I hate about the dark zone is, I want to be alone. Being alone gives me no chance at all against rogues that suddenly appear and kill you without any warning or chance to fight back. The incursions are all unplayable alone so they are pointless for me too!

    At least the HVTs and the Underground seem playable if very repetitive.
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    @OP and all
    Me and 2 of my regular team mates went into DZ after a long long while yesterday. We were lucky to find relatively tame instances that evening where only bit of PvP was happening in DZ01-02 areas and sporadically during supply drop occurrences.

    As a general rule of thumb, you do not want to go into DZ solo or in two people-even if you can farm DZ01-02 areas just fine. You will be easy target from organized 4-man teams that sweep those low level areas. Get 3, ideally 4, people together and start clearing DZ03-04 if you have lower gear. If you are confident to tackle lvl35 demons in DZ05-06, go there but make sure you are very careful and have necessary buffs to survive there--Smart Cover + Pulse from Skill power build, support station with immunizer, etc.

    If you run into rogues and die to them, there is no point coming back to try to get your gear (unless you have teal sealed cache as private loot). If you run into rogue group in DZ05-06 areas, they are most likely geared to teeth and determined to make anyone's life a hell, therefore, best approach is to give up and move elsewhere. Just regroup at checkpoint and change instance.
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    My fondly remembered final DZ experience around 2 weeks ago consisted of this:

    * Joined a 3 man PUG in DZ06
    * Managed to get around 2 teal sealed caches in DZ05/06 and 7 other bits and pieces
    * Went to extract in DZ04 - got overrun by 8 man DZ 99 gank squad
    * Rogues then immediately extracted our loot (not sure why a rogue should be able to extract)
    * All other players left the group
    * I respawned
    * I waited 10 minutes for the rogues to move on as they were waiting for us to return
    * Went and collected my private stash solo as it contained a teal sealed cache
    * Headed all the way down to DZ01 to extract solo
    * 20 seconds left on the timer and the same 8 man squad turned up and killed me
    * Left DZ a level lower, with less XP and not a single item extracted
    * 45 minutes of my life gone to go backwards in the game

    Final nail in the coffin for me in the DZ...
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    Originally Posted by mattrickl06 Go to original post
    My fondly remembered final DZ experience around 2 weeks ago consisted of this:

    * Joined a 3 man PUG in DZ06
    * Managed to get around 2 teal sealed caches in DZ05/06 and 7 other bits and pieces
    * Went to extract in DZ04 - got overrun by 8 man DZ 99 gank squad
    * Rogues then immediately extracted our loot (not sure why a rogue should be able to extract)
    * All other players left the group
    * I respawned
    * I waited 10 minutes for the rogues to move on as they were waiting for us to return
    * Went and collected my private stash solo as it contained a teal sealed cache
    * Headed all the way down to DZ01 to extract solo
    * 20 seconds left on the timer and the same 8 man squad turned up and killed me
    * Left DZ a level lower, with less XP and not a single item extracted
    * 45 minutes of my life gone to go backwards in the game

    Final nail in the coffin for me in the DZ...

    +100
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