DZ with optional PVP (vote in the pool) | Forums

[robintheuk]

Thats good news bud,i will keep battling away until it arrives.

[Sacrosanct74]

It is not mix everyone in the same arena, that's why there are DZ Gearscore brackets, you can't tell me that someone with 231+ gearscore want to do only PVE in the DZ .. ? Go do the incursions and missions on heroic mode. And it's not about someone spending all day playing the game. I also get killed by rogues so many times, but that's the fun.

That's good in theory, but as I mentioned upthread, the brackets don't work like that in practice. Currently, you have people who will manually tweak their stash with an alt, so their gear score technically is below 231. But in that score, they've got level 32 mods on all of the gear, and have the best weapons. So they go around the 200-230 bracket and just wax people left and right.

And when I say they play the game 10 hours a day, that's true and relevant because they are spending that time farming the best gear, while the rest of us only only get a few hours a week all still have random gear sets of mediocre quality simply because of how math works (random chances to get good stuff).

[troyshaun]

No please, absolutely not. Not a PVE DZ, whats the fun for easy farming ? Well maybe then can do that but the drops should then no longer above item score 204 - 229 . For the higher item drops just hardcore PVP DZ . It should be harder to get better items. Maybe an idea that rogues get more aggro from NPC's ?

I did ask someone this same question... DZ is high risk area including rogues. So if theres no rogues, wheres the high risk of loosing loots? Why would PvE only DZ have same rewards? I'd never get the answer.

Well the answer has already been given in this thread, but since it's a thread and you are supposed to read, i will not take that part out for you guys, as that's the fun

One key point though is the drop rates in DZ are too high, if it were adjusted to like %110 and you COULD get all drops from all activities in teh PVE area it wouldn't be such a big deal. BUT the drop rate is like %300 and you DON'T get all drops from all activities in the PvE zone.


Actually here is a post from the path of exile game which i have switched to - lmao

Corrupted by the world of Wraeclast, several exiles have gone rogue, causing them to turn against their own kind. They have no fixed area, so they can be found randomly throughout instances in Wraeclast. Rogue exiles may begin appearing in zones as early as The Prisoner's Gate in Normal. No more than one rogue exile can spawn in any given instance. If they spawn in maps, the map mods will apply on them. Some rogue exiles are rarer than others and some have a minimum level requirement. All rogue exiles can spawn outside of maps. On death, exiles drop a large amount of items, including one for each inventory slot.

[CassioRubert]

Of course yes! DZ is really boring to low level players, EVERYONE get rogue to get the dirty loot, and there is a HUGE difference between player's gear, so its pretty unfair...

[iFLOOP_]

@ModalThread611
thanks for not saying anything useful...again...... And failing to look cool headed...again. :P

[iFLOOP_]

OK...this is gonna get lengthy....but worthy.....

I don't think this is the reason. This is just an opinion.

My friend....its not JUST an opinion....its THE opinion, its the truth. The player base continues to fall EVERYDAY. Its a fact that everybody knows.
I alone have atleast 37 from my friends list in, who dont login to the game anymore. They got tired of the ridiculous trolling and trashtalking in the DZ. Other content didnt seem any better to them, w.r.t the time theyd have to spend with the RNG in this game.

Look deeper into Reddit, forums, youtube, etc and you'll see hundreds of posts ALONE, followed hundreds of commenters who say the same thing....DZ is not fun at all the way it is now. You have to give other players a feel of a PVE only DZ ( which many players have given brilliant ideas for to preserve the DZ lore and flavor , without the rogue trolling by OTHER players, instead, for example by named NPC's { rogue agent NPC elites }, who could hijack your loot. )

We all know that the game's player base would start increasing a lot more if something like that happened.

I think many players overestimates the loot quality of the DZ btw. Supply drops are inflated with Nomad and Hunter faith pieces as well. :/
I got 5 or 6 Sentry pieces from 1.3 (only 3 really decent). Just one from DZ (not played it that much but still, I guess I farmed for 10-12 hours in DZ 6 from 1.3) and just because a friend dropped it to me.
1 from HVT, 1 from underground, most of them farming the **** out of Falcon Lost Heroic.

Now what you said above, is called an opinion. You've probably not had much luck with RNG maybe. I get plenty of alphabridges, tackticians, deadeyes, final measures, sentrys, from DZ, without going rogue ever or stealing a dead players loot.

Yes, to make a gear piece worthwhile, you need to be patient and creative, and recaliberate with forethought to make it useful. There are no BAD rolls on gear. only limited vision and creativity by players. yeah...i said it and i mean it. i know from 850= hours of experience in the game.

I've finished several Heroic incursions, underground missions on heroic and have even dzed like crazy, with full lone star and full nomad gear sets, and actually went well. Had only random players with me most of the time. Just as good as my sentry's, alphabridge or tactician builds.

I mean, people says "we are not in condition to achieve Heroic Incursions or Underground because we need the stuff dropped by those missions" but now we got free 268 items from supply drops outside DZ, easy ones from HVT and underground caches.
268 Blind, firecrest and Lone star are totally viable to run Heroic. Same stats are other gs268 sets...

k....already covered that with my comment up there.

A tactician with 214/240 pieces gonna have the same full time smart cover and pulse bonuses than a 268s. Probably a full gs268 gonna have ~100K more toughness. Make no difference in pve,

WRONG....a 100K toughness means a VERY good deal in PVE, if u use it correctly.
People say they are getting 1 or 2 shotted by a lv.35 shotgunner, when they have 700k toughness, with armor cap and loads of health.
i have 570K toughness, armor cap, 30% protection from elites, and i need to be shot 5 times directly in close quarters....without any cover to go down...not even die directly.
I know and i've tested this several times.

every sensible player keeps multiple builds...i keep 4. To use depending on requirement.
2 PVE ( DPS build or Support build )
2 PVP ( DPS build or Support build )

I run tactician by myself when needed, with the stuff I had in my stash. A reclaimer will do nothing than press ALT+1 whatever the gearscore of his equipment.

Wrong again...a reclaimer has a lot of DPS potential if they use it correctly and understand proper balance in recalibrating their gear.
I've seen plenty of reclaimer's in underground Heroic who just melt through NPC's with their smart cover and crit. damage with incendiary bullets.
As i said before...there are no bad gears or bad rolls, only limited imagination and execution by players.
Besides, reclaimer is a support oriented build ...primarily...though it can be modified for more support or DPS.

Sentry's mark gonna hurt the same.

Dont even know what you meant there...

G36 it's still the best PVE weapon and everybody got one.

Nope.....plenty of people dont find it special at all...including me. i myself use an LMG and pistol against NPC's in heroic. And i am surprised how effective they are. Random players always ask me how much my DPS is, later....when its only 170K.
Stopped using SMG's a long time ago. Snipers only for long distance shooting.
LMG's and pistols are highly underrated. Even in PvP.

It's not about "be the king" and having advantages versus casual players in the DZ.
As I said, I think there should be some sorta mitigation in the DZ between novice players with bad gears which wanna farm, and veterans players with full maxed out stuff. Not this way.

Nope...it wont solve problems at all.....only lead to more complaints from Pro players wholll say then that PVPing isnt fun anymore since their gear doesnt feel as powerful as before...that they wasted many many days grinding.......and more will start cheating in the game....which has started rising again after 1.3.

It's about get the right reward for the difficulty you are facing. And probably sometimes the game struggle to do this but what's the point of giving everybody whatever they want in a couple of week after an update?
Imho, this gonna ruin the game for both pve and pvp players. casual and "pro". Good and bad. whatever.

You're seriously undermining the experience and perception of lots of Division players by saying that.
All they are trying to say, is the lore and vision of the DZ can be preserved, with a much bigger player base that is bound to follow, if a few simple additions...NOT changes, are made to the game.
Players who choose PVE only DZ, will be transferred to respective servers. Players can then compete to get the loot first. Simple and harmless, but not easy to take down NPC's.

You wont need many PVP servers....youll need a LOT less....believe me.

Nobody is saying remove PvP DZ. They're just saying they dont like the MANDATORY PvP aspect of the DZ because, honestly, there is no real Pvp going on the DZ, just trashtalking, trolling, hate, bad moods that might creep into your real life.

We all just want our game to gain more player base, for everyone to have fun and get more options, on how to gain gear and get better at the game.

[dfcDELTA]

100% wish we had this option! Would be great to go in the DZ and take on high level enemies without getting shot in the back by a Rouge while you are fighting said enemies.

[CptnSpaulding71]

I made a suggestion to ubisoft about doing this in a cheater report and the response they gave me basically says they won't do this ever because they supposedly can't for legal reasons! This is just a pathetic excuse for them to not do what the majority of players want. There isn't a court that would rule against ubisoft if some player tried to claim that this was their idea. Ubisoft could have been thinking of this long before anyone mentioned or suggested it so nobody would have a legal case against them. This just proves that they absolutely DON"T care about the players once we have spent our money on the game already. I for one will never buy another ubisoft product again.


Charell @ Ubisoft Support
July 26, 2016 5:49 PM

I sincerely apologize for the delayed response. We have been extremely busy as of late and are working to answer all of the support cases that are coming in. We appreciate you providing this report regarding inappropriate behaviors in game. We are forwarding this to our securities team to investigate. As per Ubisoft policy, we are unable to communicate the outcome of the investigation with anyone other than the players affected by the investigation itself. Feel free to report any other suspicious or inappropriate activity you may see and we will forward it as well. We hope you continue to enjoy the game.​ Thank you for your suggestion. We love hearing ideas directly from gamers and appreciate the support from fans like you. We cannot accept or consider creative ideas from outside of the company for legal reasons, but we definitely still want your feedback. While we can’t accept unsolicited ideas, we are always willing to receive feedback on existing titles from the perspective of our gamers. You can submit feedback on our forums at http://forums.ubi.com To get some direct conversation from Ubi employees, you can also check out our blog http://blog.ubi.com/.

[gun94mach]

PVP is part of the game and lots of people like, but it should be possible to choose if you want to do it or not in the DZ
The DZ is a cool area to explore, have bosses, etc, but I really hate the DZ because of the rogues and cheaters. Now with the exclusive DLC sets its probably get even worse.

Idea: When entering the darkzone you (or the group leader) should be able to choose if you want a PVP or PVE DZ, and then you go to the respective server. Simple as that.

EDIT: *vote in the poll*. But if you have a pool, feel free to vote while in it. XD

I'm not completely all for this. If you make it PVE only, getting loot in any of the zones would be ridiculously easy and extractions less worry-some. Unless they make the loot quality harder to find with the PVE only option - I think there should be that option.

[robintheuk]

I've hardly ever grouped in this game but last night in the DZ i joined up with 3 or 4 other fellas all around my 203 gs and we ran about the lower Dz without getting shot be any other players,had times when we got downed and revived and extracted a few bits of loot...but i really enjoyed it,man it was nice not to get shot in the back by someone or ganged up on,personally wish it was always like that.