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[iFLOOP_]

@hausmanis
seriously....stop commenting if you're drunk or something.

The games player base continues to fall everyday because of troll rogues with predators and tanktician builds. The fight practically goes on forever, even with the recent PvP damage modifier.
The game would be a lot more fun if people like them didn't mess with other non-hostile players who only get a few hours of gameplay every week and just want to have a good game. These players are in the majority. Players like you are a minority.

How the hell is it free loot when you're grinding through the DZ like that ?
Its free loot if troll rogues use cowardly tactics and kill casual players from the back or use a sticky. Not the other way round.

[iFLOOP_]

seriously?? people still talking about this?? ... stop whining... DZ won't change.... PERIOD ((dev's words))

Then the game is doomed to fail....already is failing at a high rate.

[Styxs_NL]

I don't want a PvE DZ, I'd rather like a PvP arena

For example about the DZ :
- 12 loyal vs 12 rogues
- no NPC or not significant NPC, same lvl for the whole map.
- gather / extract supplies (not weapons that you loot)
- the chopper has a timer (10min for example) and is not triggered, arrives in a random site. NPC and supplies respawn after the chopper leaves.
- you are rewarded a cache each time you are in the extraction site and your team extracted the most supplies.
(- no signature skills)

I agree that PvP could require a specific balance. For example, if you make the DZ a PvP arena, make the players have to change his gears on entering the DZ with a "dramatic tense" akka highly contaminated blablabla.
So that with specific gears you could make a balanced PvP

so in other words just another CoD.

If you like arena based gameplay, why dont you go play CoD or any of the dozen other PVP arena games.
Most players at this time are PVE players, so if they dont meet the needs for those players they are not gonna buy anything for the divisions anymore and the game will fail.

I said it once before and will say it again, "If they wont listen to the PVE players and keep pushing them towards PVP they will loose them and the game will die" and this you can quote me on in the end of the year when the shutdown the servers.

With one simple change they can make most PVE players happier even without chancing the DZ and thats with opening up all loottables in every area and not mostly firecrest and blind in Underground and lonestars at HVT`s and AlphaBridge/Nomad at DZ, make it split even throughout the loottable, equal chance to get any set gear and weapon.

[Cholo981]

The games player base continues to fall everyday because of troll rogues with predators and tanktician builds.

I don't think this is the reason. This is just an opinion.

I think many players overestimates the loot quality of the DZ btw. Supply drops are inflated with Nomad and Hunter faith pieces as well. :/
I got 5 or 6 Sentry pieces from 1.3 (only 3 really decent). Just one from DZ (not played it that much but still, I guess I farmed for 10-12 hours in DZ 6 from 1.3) and just because a friend dropped it to me.
1 from HVT, 1 from underground, most of them farming the **** out of Falcon Lost Heroic.

I mean, people says "we are not in condition to achieve Heroic Incursions or Underground because we need the stuff dropped by those missions" but now we got free 268 items from supply drops outside DZ, easy ones from HVT and underground caches.
268 Blind, firecrest and Lone star are totally viable to run Heroic. Same stats are other gs268 sets...
A tactician with 214/240 pieces gonna have the same full time smart cover and pulse bonuses than a 268s. Probably a full gs268 gonna have ~100K more toughness. Make no difference in pve, I run tactician by myself when needed, with the stuff I had in my stash.
A reclaimer will do nothing than press ALT+1 whatever the gearscore of his equipment.
Sentry's mark gonna hurt the same.
G36 it's still the best PVE weapon and everybody got one.

It's not about "be the king" and having advantages versus casual players in the DZ.
As I said, I think there should be some sorta mitigation in the DZ between novice players with bad gears which wanna farm, and veterans players with full maxed out stuff. Not this way.
It's about get the right reward for the difficulty you are facing. And probably sometimes the game struggle to do this but what's the point of giving everybody whatever they want in a couple of week after an update?
Imho, this gonna ruin the game for both pve and pvp players. casual and "pro". Good and bad. whatever.

my two cents.

[troyshaun]

I think many players overestimates the loot quality of the DZ btw. Supply drops are inflated with Nomad and Hunter faith pieces as well. :/

Quality of the loot sucks outside the DZ just as much. The problem is the quantity in the DZ, it's something like +300% on doing missions

I mean, people says "we are not in condition to achieve Heroic Incursions or Underground because we need the stuff dropped by those missions" but now we got free 268 items from supply drops outside DZ, easy ones from HVT and underground caches.
268 Blind, firecrest and Lone star are totally viable to run Heroic. Same stats are other gs268 sets
...
It's about get the right reward for the difficulty you are facing.

This is the problem - they are focussing on like silly mechanics like the caches which are like gifted rewards, where it should be random rewards. As for the difficulty yes it should be, but if you are running solo there should be adequate rewards because right now you basically get 1/4 of a crummy reward.

my two cents here - is that they have ****ed the game again, because now @ level 30+ there are 4 levels of items 160-182-204-240, everyone is the same level but you have 4 seperate walls to gear over, with no random chances at getting something good if you are fighting e.g. 182 bosses. it feels kind of like shovelling **** unless you are doing 34+ then when you are doing 34+ the game play is a boring grind of monster hit points.

[SOLIDUS 316]

I don't think this is the reason. This is just an opinion.

I think many players overestimates the loot quality of the DZ btw. Supply drops are inflated with Nomad and Hunter faith pieces as well. :/
I got 5 or 6 Sentry pieces from 1.3 (only 3 really decent). Just one from DZ (not played it that much but still, I guess I farmed for 10-12 hours in DZ 6 from 1.3) and just because a friend dropped it to me.
1 from HVT, 1 from underground, most of them farming the **** out of Falcon Lost Heroic.

I mean, people says "we are not in condition to achieve Heroic Incursions or Underground because we need the stuff dropped by those missions" but now we got free 268 items from supply drops outside DZ, easy ones from HVT and underground caches.
268 Blind, firecrest and Lone star are totally viable to run Heroic. Same stats are other gs268 sets...
A tactician with 214/240 pieces gonna have the same full time smart cover and pulse bonuses than a 268s. Probably a full gs268 gonna have ~100K more toughness. Make no difference in pve, I run tactician by myself when needed, with the stuff I had in my stash.
A reclaimer will do nothing than press ALT+1 whatever the gearscore of his equipment.
Sentry's mark gonna hurt the same.
G36 it's still the best PVE weapon and everybody got one.

It's not about "be the king" and having advantages versus casual players in the DZ.
As I said, I think there should be some sorta mitigation in the DZ between novice players with bad gears which wanna farm, and veterans players with full maxed out stuff. Not this way.
It's about get the right reward for the difficulty you are facing. And probably sometimes the game struggle to do this but what's the point of giving everybody whatever they want in a couple of week after an update?
Imho, this gonna ruin the game for both pve and pvp players. casual and "pro". Good and bad. whatever.

my two cents.

Great points! Would that I had your first world problems. I can't step outside the Safe zone without my feet exploding from some turd lvl 99 with stickybombs who lowered their gear to about 150 just to be able to come down and **** everyone up for no reason.

At this rate I wont ever see gear 200, since they hide and pop out and down you. They don't even bother fighting the NPCs, they aren't even taking the gear when they kill you, they don't take the supply drops. They just make sure YOU can't get at them.

I imagine they have some severe shortcomings in real life and virtually beating down folks makes them feel better about themselves.

Do we need a PVE only area in the DZ? No, because we already do.

However a lvl 99 has absolutely no business being in the same instance as me (lvl 26).. gear score or no.

There is NO WAY to escape the shenanigans, no reprieve, no groups to match make with (they just leave or become rogue themselves by kicking you then gunning you down.)

It's sad how such a great idea went totally to ****.

[Pyknospex]

Never happen (if people could choose to disable PvP, I have a feeling 95% of the players would do so), but it's a nice thought. I'd pay money for the option.

Honestly, at this point there's no real reason not to have a PvP/PvE switch for the DZ. You can reach maximum GS and have very good stats from HVTs and Underground, so the DZ is no longer the Great Progression Filter it once was -- I mean, why risk getting ganked when you can get good stuff from gank-free content?

[PEARLMEISTERR]

It would be great to have the option but Ubisoft and Massive need to admit first that the DZ is a failed experiment.

[Atneks]

It would be great to have the option but Ubisoft and Massive need to admit first that the DZ is a failed experiment.

And that they won't. So it won't change at all. GL HF getting blasted from behind by the most cowardly people in the game.

[Leon108]

As of now, eight Massive's employees voted "no"