DZ with optional PVP (vote in the pool) | Forums

[Bazooka_Joes1]

I remember when the philosophy was generous.. I for one do not feel rewarded for doing anything in this game. Also the people who claim killing npc enemies is nothing have to remember that everyone has different skill levels, something easy to you is not easy to everyone else. My squad can complete incursions on challenging however we have not been able to complete them on heroic, the gear we are rewarded with is promptly broken down and we move on. Heroic mission rewards are a joke and gear is broken down as well. Even when we do manage to get gear out of the dz I can't tell you how many gold 229 holsters and knee pads I've broken down.. I mean we still get Midas drops in GS 231+ bracket. I realize it's supposedly RNG but the experience in the DZ is so terrible that we don't want to do it. We are almost at the breaking point. Again I say fix this nonsense. I also want to know what we are supposed to do with all our credits aside from recalibrate? What's the point of DZ funds now? Vendors are useless. Maybe offer 268 and 229 blueprints for really high costs so it makes sense to farm credits/dz funds.. That one useless 229 weapon for sale isn't cutting it. You want all weapons to be balanced well u need to buff some and not just nerf the strongest ones. Last weeks 229 police mk is a perfect example of a weapon in dire need of a buff. C'mon massive lets get this right because I want to love this game.. I really do. I just can't right now.

[YenRug]

Somebody up top mentioned 'free items'. I don't know what they are talking about. Last I checked, the items weren't free for me since I had to kill NPC or loot boxes to get. Then I get shot down by some guy and his 3 buddies who are all at least 40 DZ levels and 100 gear points higher then me.

They consider gear to be free because they get them from you when you drop them, it shows their level of comprehension and complete lack of empathy, aka sociopathy, that they suffer from.

[Cholo981]

I'm not really into pvp and I understand the frustration about the current state of the DZ but let's be realistic:
You can't have the same reward system in a player's free dark zone. Cleaning a landscape or get a supply drop won't be that challenging if you don't need to worry about incoming groups.
If your loot won't be stolen when you die and you need to rush the map alone to get it back.

Of course, you may be lucky in the current DZ too, find an empty lobby (very unlikely from 1.3 but still possible) and farm the crap out the DZ6, it's basically what you're asking for but still... you'll always be aware than a group can join your server anytime.

I think players should be encourage to enter the DZ even more. Novices players should be helped and veterans can bear some burden when fighting the first ones. Maybe a different mitigation damage? Based on rank or dead/kill ratio? whatever.

Also I think the game need a solid reputation system:
If you always go rogue, you should be visible on the map all the time, even in non-rogue state. Other player should be aware they can be ambushed while cleaning a landscape from those groups.
They should go rank 1 on the first shot and maybe get less/worst loot from npc (so they need to "steal" it from other players), etc.
As well as good reputation players should be rewarded, when they constantly kill rogues. Shorter extraction timer, more damage to NPC, better loot chances... just saying...

Cheers

[ModalThread611]

I think people need to quit crying about the DZ. I play in there everyday and win some and lose some. Who cares. I guess I just have better team mates. Sometimes I even just auto match and have met good and bad people. I just want a damn 229 MP7 to drop, finding that is like trying to win the lottery.

[Contact.Front]

I remember when the philosophy was generous.. I for one do not feel rewarded for doing anything in this game. Also the people who claim killing npc enemies is nothing have to remember that everyone has different skill levels, something easy to you is not easy to everyone else. My squad can complete incursions on challenging however we have not been able to complete them on heroic, the gear we are rewarded with is promptly broken down and we move on. Heroic mission rewards are a joke and gear is broken down as well. Even when we do manage to get gear out of the dz I can't tell you how many gold 229 holsters and knee pads I've broken down.. I mean we still get Midas drops in GS 231+ bracket. I realize it's supposedly RNG but the experience in the DZ is so terrible that we don't want to do it. We are almost at the breaking point. Again I say fix this nonsense. I also want to know what we are supposed to do with all our credits aside from recalibrate? What's the point of DZ funds now? Vendors are useless. Maybe offer 268 and 229 blueprints for really high costs so it makes sense to farm credits/dz funds.. That one useless 229 weapon for sale isn't cutting it. You want all weapons to be balanced well u need to buff some and not just nerf the strongest ones. Last weeks 229 police mk is a perfect example of a weapon in dire need of a buff. C'mon massive lets get this right because I want to love this game.. I really do. I just can't right now.

+1
Gear set drops to combat Heroic level encounters that mainly only drop in those Heroic encounters is ridiculous TBH. I mean how do you gear up properly? The snail's pace of RNG gear collection is maddening/frustrating/disappointing.

[troyshaun]

I think people need to quit crying about the DZ. I play in there everyday and win some and lose some. Who cares. I guess I just have better team mates. Sometimes I even just auto match and have met good and bad people. I just want a damn 229 MP7 to drop, finding that is like trying to win the lottery.

Look at it this way, you are only about 3 weeks into 1.3. and all ready you are suggestion that 229 Mp7 is hard to get... but everyone else is crying? Why not try and enlighten yourself to the plight of others, like to prove your point, step into the PvE zone and hunt for your 229 MP7 then maybe you'll see what lotto odds are like.

[ModalThread611]

Look at it this way, you are only about 3 weeks into 1.3. and all ready you are suggestion that 229 Mp7 is hard to get... but everyone else is crying? Why not try and enlighten yourself to the plight of others, like to prove your point, step into the PvE zone and hunt for your 229 MP7 then maybe you'll see what lotto odds are like.

Wow, you need a tissue? The DZ is supposed to be tough not a cake walk. Oh poor me and everyone else the DZ is tough???? I can see for players who want to run solo it sucks in 231 dz. Also if you have poor teammates.

[Javviier]

seriously?? people still talking about this?? ... stop whining... DZ won't change.... PERIOD ((dev's words))

[troyshaun]

Wow, you need a tissue? The DZ is supposed to be tough not a cake walk. Oh poor me and everyone else the DZ is tough???? I can see for players who want to run solo it sucks in 231 dz. Also if you have poor teammates.

PvP in this game sucks. period.
No i don't cry over split milk, that's what a lot of the pro PvP players seem to be missing when they come into these threads to provide, zero intelligent conversation, just little *****y comments that they like it just how it is.
I honestly don't really care anymore with the matchmaking, PvE and New gear levels... they can keep the game as it is, keep this slow and painful death coming.

As I have stated in other threads, previously I was for the DZ being PvP only and it worked with the meta. But the PvE as a whole has always been balanced more towards long grindy skill power zdps kind of fights, it does not require any tactical gunfighting, nor does it require use of cover. It is just ballanced for the people that spend A LOT of time in the DZ and have the better loot, but even at that point it's just making the actual PvP battles (end game 231+) even more grindy than they were before.
For some people. the grindy, time consuming PvP, is not tactical or fun. I could in fact run the takt build currently, but, Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I don't really care if they do or don't make the DZ PvE only, and neither should you, the problem is that currently it's ****ing up the ENTIRE game - until they make content that is as EASY as DZ in the PVE area, the balance is going to be broken and the game is not going to be inviting for the MAJORITY of players.

N.B: Actually, reading your comment again I am not sure that your tissue metaphor even makes sense, you probably can't even grow facial hair let alone vote, your opinion is moot.

[ModalThread611]

PvP in this game sucks. period.
No i don't cry over split milk, that's what a lot of the pro PvP players seem to be missing when they come into these threads to provide, zero intelligent conversation, just little *****y comments that they like it just how it is.
I honestly don't really care anymore with the matchmaking, PvE and New gear levels... they can keep the game as it is, keep this slow and painful death coming.

As I have stated in other threads, previously I was for the DZ being PvP only and it worked with the meta. But the PvE as a whole has always been balanced more towards long grindy skill power zdps kind of fights, it does not require any tactical gunfighting, nor does it require use of cover. It is just ballanced for the people that spend A LOT of time in the DZ and have the better loot, but even at that point it's just making the actual PvP battles (end game 231+) even more grindy than they were before.
For some people. the grindy, time consuming PvP, is not tactical or fun. I could in fact run the takt build currently, but, Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I don't really care if they do or don't make the DZ PvE only, and neither should you, the problem is that currently it's ****ing up the ENTIRE game - until they make content that is as EASY as DZ in the PVE area, the balance is going to be broken and the game is not going to be inviting for the MAJORITY of players.

N.B: Actually, reading your comment again I am not sure that your tissue metaphor even makes sense, you probably can't even grow facial hair let alone vote, your opinion is moot.

Big tough troll you are. You have taken simple comments and made a scene. You should go outside some. 739 posts, that is way to much time trolling forums. You are a funny boy. Thanks for the laughs.