[PSA] Changes to weapons incoming in 1.3 | Forums

[playswithwolves]

They said in the SotG Hamish is on holiday/vacation, so I wouldn't expect any answers anytime soon.

I imagine he'll need another one about a week after Underground drops.

[xPLAY3R1x]

We have our answer. Weapon buffs only occur on drops post 1.3 patch. All nerfs are retroactive to what we have in our stashes. Kind of worst case scenario according to this thread. Being able to re-roll weapon talents does sound amazing though. It sucks that my entire collection of 204 LMG's with proper talents are now trash and I'll have to hunt them down again, the re-roll ability leaves me not as down about this whole thing. Still not happy, but not leaving just yet.
It is aggravating that I spent vacation/medical leave farming for these particular weapons and that the hours spent was a waste. I think this could have been handled better, but at least we're not going away empty handed. I guess.

Yep. The maddening part is that they're telling us that our time spent farming, and our weapons are a waste of time. I'm not going to try and re-roll any existing items as at this point in time they're simply a sunken cost. The weapon drop rates recently have been minimal, especially for 204s. I don't play the DZ much, as I've struggled to find 3 other agents that aren't Rambo and get everyone killed.

I think it's time to quit this game

I can live with changes, but they happen far too often in this game and half of them are knee-jerk reactions whose effects are felt far later than when they are implemented... To the point future updates nullifies what the most recent one put into effect. This isn't balance. It's insanity and the devs not knowing how to manage a game of this scope and type, IMO.

Like many players... I was already stuck behind the power ball because I don't cheat, exploit or grief, but now, I have to grind even more to get where I currently am! That's just more grinding for the sake of grinding considering I am not going to go into the DZ any time soon (refuse to grief) and will wait to see how good (most likely not) Underground is with regard to having equal drop rates for (non DLC) gear sets & weapons... Which I have a feeling they are going to gate / weight to force people into the DZ as usual.

So, given these assumptions... And the fact they don't play this game; my huge impassioned plea fell on deaf ears, of course... There is nothing here for me and many other players.

I just want to say, Congratulations, Hammish, Yannick and Antoine.

You've destroyed a AAA title in less than three months because all you care about are the top 1% of gamers and creating a game that attracts the worst in the gaming communities. You are the Donald Trump of the gaming industry, and you will never live this down. Kudos, I hope your year-end bonuses sustain you because when The Division is shut down before its one-year anniversary (March 2017) you will have only yourselves to blame given you pulled the biggest bait-and-switch in gaming history to the tune of $350 million dollars. You're con-artists and used car salesman. You haven't earned the title of game developer, and I will never buy another game with Massive's input even if it was to touch up a few art assets.

[playswithwolves]

I think it's time to quit this game

I can live with changes, but they happen far too often in this game and half of them are knee-jerk reactions whose effects are felt far later than when they are implemented... To the point future updates nullifies what the most recent one put into effect. This isn't balance. It's insanity and the devs not knowing how to manage a game of this scope and type, IMO.

Like many players... I was already stuck behind the power ball because I don't cheat, exploit or grief, but now, I have to grind even more to get where I currently am! That's just more grinding for the sake of grinding considering I am not going to go into the DZ any time soon (refuse to grief) and will wait to see how good (most likely not) Underground is with regard to having equal drop rates for (non DLC) gear sets & weapons... Which I have a feeling they are going to gate / weight to force people into the DZ as usual.

So, given these assumptions... And the fact they don't play this game; my huge impassioned plea fell on deaf ears, of course... There is nothing here for me and many other players.

I just want to say, Congratulations, Hammish, Yannick and Antoine.

You've destroyed a AAA title in less than three months because all you care about are the top 1% of gamers and creating a game that attracts the worst in the gaming communities. You are the Donald Trump of the gaming industry, and you will never live this down. Kudos, I hope your year-end bonuses sustain you because when The Division is shut down before its one-year anniversary (March 2017) you will have only yourselves to blame given you pulled the biggest bait-and-switch in gaming history to the tune of $350 million dollars. You're con-artists and used car salesman. You haven't earned the title of game developer, and I will never buy another game with Massive's input even if it was to touch up a few art assets.

Pretty sure they are the Hillary Clinton of the gaming industry under that "bait-and-switch" scenario. I wouldn't be surprised at all to find their servers are in someone's basement.

Otherwise, I was going to mention I've taken a week off the game and it's been wonderful. I, too, would quit but feel like I should continue because my buddy (actually, my younger, 38 YO brother) loves the game. So, here I am. If it gets much worse, he's just going to be SOL though because no amount of wanting to stay in touch will drag me back.

BTW, not sure if "Hammish" is a dig or accidental, but you might get a better response if you spell his name correctly.

[ReiShadowheart]

Great. More imbalances (some weapons types before 1.3 will not have the new abilities on them, some will).

Hammish,

Have you actually played this game?

It's beyond boring at this point. There is no real progression, there is no real choice of builds, and most of all, the DZ is just a cluster-bomb of griefing by over geared players who exploited FL and other things farming lower geared players trying to rank up and progress... Which means there is no progression which means people are leaving your game.

Yannick, Yourself and others need to sit down and have a heart-to-heart with your entire staff and ask yourself... Why do people play games?

They play games to have fun.

They play games to escape the horrors, negativity and disappointments of the real world.

They play games to have a social experience with others (make new friends, relax with old).

None of these things are happening in The Division, Hammish.

None.

The game itself... Mostly the DZ... Wallows in negativity, toxicity, and has driven 90% of your player base away across all platforms. You have the internal numbers, so you know what the stats really are, but your game is all but dead on PC, and is not looked at favorably by other players and other industry personnel outside UBISoft. It's not just because they are the competition; many don't agree with your (inhumane) design decisions and the amount of bugs that were allowed to exist in a retail release of the game. Nobody outside The Division community views the PK that goes on inside the DZ as competitive PVP because it's not.

If you want people to play your game, you have to make it a game and not a second-career.

If you want people to buy future expansions, you have to make the game fun again and accessible to those of all skill levels and play times a.k.a. casual, adult gamers who only have an hour, or two to play, but would like to progress their characters even if slightly in that amount of time. A 240 item should always be better than a 183. Always. No iffs, and or buts. However, thanks to the RNG baked into everything, this is often not the case. This means not clear progression path and wasted time in the DZ, and other areas and this is why most players have left on all platforms.

If you want your game to be a financial success after the initial pre-orders and sales...

You need to make the game fun again.

It's that simple, Hammish.

Every thing in the game right now is not fun.

Period.

You are used to giving State of the Game streams, so here it is from one of your actual players with over 350 HRs:

The SOTG for The Division is bad.

It's very bleak, very tiresome and very negative because of the insane amounts or RNG baked into weapons & gear, and because you, Yannick and Antoine have decided to force people into certain activities in order to progress... One of those activities being forced PK -- It' not PVP -- Which punishes the victim and discourages them to not play after they become the victim of a virtual mugging. Hence, why many have quit this game compared to those who were playing it at launch.

Make your game fun again.

Treat gamers as people with lives outside the game who just want to have fun.

Allow all of the loot (barring paid DLC, of course) to drop in all areas of the game. Period. No question. 204 Strikers has just the same probability to drop in HVTs instead of just Lone Star. Stop trying to funnel people into your Gank Zone a.k.a. Dark Zone in order to progress. Separate PK and PVE players because the two never mix and you are preventing a large segment of what remains of the game's population from ever leveling up because you are purposefully putting up progression walls behind an imbalanced system that favors and promotes griefing and toxicity in your community.

Turn up the loot tables tand drop everything from 183 and up... Mostly 204 and the new gear sets and weapons... From all areas of the game. From HTVs to Incursions to roaming bosses that are now back in the PVE map.

Reward players for playing, not just grinding.

Make the grind itself fun, not frustrating or boring.

Make the game fun to play and not frustration to play.

Thank you, for your time.

He has played the game actually. He streams it. Whether or not he pays as much attention to what goes on with each weapon like other people do... /shrug.

He's not the one doing the weapon balancing anyways.

[SULSA 13]

fix the freakin map glitch . 9 days and counting still no fix . get serious with this problem and fix it ubi /massive . xbox 1 , pc and now ps 4 . u`r killing u`r trust with the fan base . shame on u guys .