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View Poll Results: Dark Zone Poll

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  • I wish the DZ had a "No PvP" option at every checkpoint entrance

    33 86.84%
  • Give a 1 hour No-Death-by-Players timer on me when I die by a person

    3 7.89%
  • I love how sickly unfair the DZ is and I want to burn in hell forever

    5 13.16%
Multiple Choice Poll.
  1. #1

    UBISOFT PLEASE READ: Dark Zone

    Ubisoft,

    You have created a decent game, but come lv30 there's nothing to do solo for 204 gear except the Dark Zone, so I have only the Dark Zone to play or matchmake. This is extremely important to understand why this is awful since the Dark Zone is the only solo place to hunt high end gear like Striker's Gloves or 204 weapons (etc) since challenges are definitely for 4-man groups.

    However, there MUST be an option to enter the Dark Zone without enabling PvP combat. Please, please, please enable a simple option at the door to any Dark Zone checkpoint to utterly enable or disable PvP. The DZ is nothing short of discouraging and intensely aggravating. The rogue parties are so numerous that I average only 1 in 10 extractions to be successful. This is unbearable. All the nice people are leaving your game.

    1) PvP is poorly implemented in this. Gear Scores matter over skill. I can get 8+ headshots in a row on moving targets but it doesn't matter. i die in one bullet at virtually any range from players. Doesn't matter that I can solo DZ06 without a sweat without dying because I know I'll die about every 30 minutes from rogues. Even when in teams people aren't safe as a single sticky bomb from a griefer can kill my entire group as they often do as high as 200k damage

    2) Rogues don't fight fair at all. This is a massive issue as these people are cruel, vicious, and cowardly but more than that this is supposed to be a game, not some real life gang murder simulator. People of all calibers wish to enjoy your good game but cannot since they are forced to team up when they want to play alone or solo the DZ just to be owned for no good reason.

    They camp safe houses, extraction zones and ruin any fun you're having. Because the Division is split among PvP lovers and PvE lovers, there is a massive issue with being forced into PvP combat. One, you need to be geared for it to even stand a chance. Two, even when hackers and exploiters aren't killing you, you are still often just beaten because you don't like PvP and never practice it or you're flat out-geared and so on.

    3) Rogues almost always charge in from your back and gun you down while you are busy with tough AI enemies. AND THEY ARE REWARDED HEAVILY FOR IT. You cannot expect us to be able to fight the insanely hard enemies and watch our backs.Every time I even intentionally shoot someone I die lol because so many of us just suck at PvP. So it's not realistic to expect us to also be OK with the DZ when we are getting back stabbed.

    4) These people only want to hunt us. Even when I hollar into my mic that I have no gear or money they still laugh, call me names, and then kill me. It's pathetic and degrading. These people are actually evil. They must be to be so denigrating. Most of the time that's all they even do because the rewards are so epic just from experience or pride. I work hard to find gear and they take my hard work away from me in a single bullet without even having the decency to show their grimy faces.

    5) As others have said, the rogue status wears off far too quickly and even when you know someone was rogue and will happily kill you again you're not able to simply fire at them when you see them as it will cause you to go rogue.

    This creates a MASSIVE safety issue for nice people as those who are hunted easily like me MUST get the drop on these cowards because they use the ended rogue timer for their own safety blanket knowing we nice people don't want to become rogues, but all the nice people are not safe because they know the rogues will come back at them in an unfair way. We don't get any safety. We don't have a safety time before or after we're killed. We have no comfort at all. We are killed like sheep!!!

    6) We stay hunted because when we see past-rogues we cannot simply fire first while they are running around busy too. It would be just deserts to follow them around and see how they like being shot in the back while they are working hard on killing a pack of elites. So in many instances I see rogues whose timers ran down. They look at me, I cannot fire first since they aren't rogue. One bullet and I die. They become rogue and go hide again. It's not fair and it's BRUTAL.

    So when I saw a rogue who once killed me before, I just plucked a good one in his face, he died instantly and then for my self-defense (common sense knowing he;d have just killed me asap if he saw me again) I became rogue. In my own effort to pre-emptively protect myself I was killed by others wanting the reward for my unfair bounty. I then lost double money and double experience.

    I LEARNED ONE LESSON-- DEFENDING MYSELF COSTS ME DOUBLE TO THAT OF JUST LETTING A ROGUE KILL ME. For my effort to preserve myself I lost double exp and double money. Not only was I not rewarded for protecting myself, I was punished because I lack the know-how (and desire) to gun someone down and hide like a child in some sewer to wait out a ridiculous timer.

    4) You are rewarding rogues far too much. They don't die as much as you think because they are cowards and know where to run and hide and who to gang with. They are cowards. It's not actual PvP. This is nothing but gangsters robbing and killing helpless store clerks, to choose a useful analogy.

    JUST GIVE US THE OPTION TO ENTER THE DARK ZONE WITH/WITHOUT PvP! DOUBLE THE ENEMIES IF YOU MUST! IT'D STILL BE 10x MORE FAIR AND MORE ENJOYABLE.

    I am not alone and shut up to anyone who says I'm some poor loser player. I have excellent stats, I run full Sentry's and almost have two of Striker's. I'm despising the game though for its force of the DZ.

    http://divisiontracker.com/profile/uplay/umbra_the_wolf
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  2. #2
    This what i have been saying for a long time!!!! WELL SAID!!!
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  3. #3

    Sick of rogue cowards

    Im with Umbra on this ubisoft , all i want to do is level up without to much hastle . Rogues with regular squads and taking your keys and DZ cash and exp isnt fair when you arnt rogue yourself ,put an option to turn rogue or by choice like an ingame toggle for people who can switch to rogue killing rogues and let people who enjoy the single/group play against npc ,if you want to save this game then you will have to do this as i know over 100 legit players fom pc and ps4 have literaly thrown their games in the trash :-/
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  4. #4

    Ubisoft doesn't care

    Sadly guys we will not get our wish.

    Patch notes for the coming 1.2 patch indicate that

    --extractions are going to be made even harder, where anyone can come to your extraction and cut the rope to steal your loot after you hang it up. Extraction is going from balls hard to totally impossible.
    --Not only that, but there is zero mention of any solo content for Non-DZ areas. All we're going to get is some timed daily for killing some guys each day for a crap reward. If you want gear, you're gonna have to gring Falcon Lost, Clear Skies or Challenges with morons.

    BIGGEST INSULT
    --Patch 1.2 is also giving DZ much higher end weapons and greater gear drops than ever before all dropping more frequently, which will push us non-PvP'ers even harder into the DZ with even less chance to extract thanks to the coming rope cutting.

    Ubisoft, you are a marketing company who needs to please the buyers to make ends meet. You're not doing that, and in actuality you're burning money by focusing so hard on the DZ. It's terrible for the large portion of your players.

    You're trying to MAKE the DZ work and you're failing.

    1) Your DZ trailer was nice looking, but you all clearly have no idea how fighting in PvP actually works. No one takes cover! No one uses shotguns, sniper rifles and no one wants a good fair fight. The fights do not last a minute or two. They last only a bullet. At best, PvP in the DZ is 100% surprise SMG rushing at your back while you're busy with the most unfairly hard NPC's almost ever conceived. At worst, PvP is a group of rogues sticky bombing you and your entire team for a 1 hit team KO from the back.

    I bet Destiny wasn't even this awful.

    I hate you Ubisoft for making me fall in love with a game that stabs me in the back just as bad as all the evil gankers in the DZ. Ubisoft, you belong in the DZ. Burn in hell you rotten skuz sucking fornicators.

    TOM CLANCY IS ROLLING IN HIS GRAVE THAT THIS PILE OF MANURE BEARS HIS NAME. THIS IS THE MOST MOST MOST NON-TACTICAL NON-CLANCY GAME EVER MADE. DESTINY IS MUCH BETTER THAN THIS AND DESTINY IS NEARLY UNPLAYABLE.
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  5. #5
    Originally Posted by Umbra_the_Wolf Go to original post
    Ubisoft,

    You have created a decent game, but come lv30 there's nothing to do solo for 204 gear except the Dark Zone, so I have only the Dark Zone to play or matchmake. This is extremely important to understand why this is awful since the Dark Zone is the only solo place to hunt high end gear like Striker's Gloves or 204 weapons (etc) since challenges are definitely for 4-man groups.

    However, there MUST be an option to enter the Dark Zone without enabling PvP combat. Please, please, please enable a simple option at the door to any Dark Zone checkpoint to utterly enable or disable PvP. The DZ is nothing short of discouraging and intensely aggravating. The rogue parties are so numerous that I average only 1 in 10 extractions to be successful. This is unbearable. All the nice people are leaving your game.

    1) PvP is poorly implemented in this. Gear Scores matter over skill. I can get 8+ headshots in a row on moving targets but it doesn't matter. i die in one bullet at virtually any range from players. Doesn't matter that I can solo DZ06 without a sweat without dying because I know I'll die about every 30 minutes from rogues. Even when in teams people aren't safe as a single sticky bomb from a griefer can kill my entire group as they often do as high as 200k damage

    2) Rogues don't fight fair at all. This is a massive issue as these people are cruel, vicious, and cowardly but more than that this is supposed to be a game, not some real life gang murder simulator. People of all calibers wish to enjoy your good game but cannot since they are forced to team up when they want to play alone or solo the DZ just to be owned for no good reason.

    They camp safe houses, extraction zones and ruin any fun you're having. Because the Division is split among PvP lovers and PvE lovers, there is a massive issue with being forced into PvP combat. One, you need to be geared for it to even stand a chance. Two, even when hackers and exploiters aren't killing you, you are still often just beaten because you don't like PvP and never practice it or you're flat out-geared and so on.

    3) Rogues almost always charge in from your back and gun you down while you are busy with tough AI enemies. AND THEY ARE REWARDED HEAVILY FOR IT. You cannot expect us to be able to fight the insanely hard enemies and watch our backs.Every time I even intentionally shoot someone I die lol because so many of us just suck at PvP. So it's not realistic to expect us to also be OK with the DZ when we are getting back stabbed.

    4) These people only want to hunt us. Even when I hollar into my mic that I have no gear or money they still laugh, call me names, and then kill me. It's pathetic and degrading. These people are actually evil. They must be to be so denigrating. Most of the time that's all they even do because the rewards are so epic just from experience or pride. I work hard to find gear and they take my hard work away from me in a single bullet without even having the decency to show their grimy faces.

    5) As others have said, the rogue status wears off far too quickly and even when you know someone was rogue and will happily kill you again you're not able to simply fire at them when you see them as it will cause you to go rogue.

    This creates a MASSIVE safety issue for nice people as those who are hunted easily like me MUST get the drop on these cowards because they use the ended rogue timer for their own safety blanket knowing we nice people don't want to become rogues, but all the nice people are not safe because they know the rogues will come back at them in an unfair way. We don't get any safety. We don't have a safety time before or after we're killed. We have no comfort at all. We are killed like sheep!!!

    6) We stay hunted because when we see past-rogues we cannot simply fire first while they are running around busy too. It would be just deserts to follow them around and see how they like being shot in the back while they are working hard on killing a pack of elites. So in many instances I see rogues whose timers ran down. They look at me, I cannot fire first since they aren't rogue. One bullet and I die. They become rogue and go hide again. It's not fair and it's BRUTAL.

    So when I saw a rogue who once killed me before, I just plucked a good one in his face, he died instantly and then for my self-defense (common sense knowing he;d have just killed me asap if he saw me again) I became rogue. In my own effort to pre-emptively protect myself I was killed by others wanting the reward for my unfair bounty. I then lost double money and double experience.

    I LEARNED ONE LESSON-- DEFENDING MYSELF COSTS ME DOUBLE TO THAT OF JUST LETTING A ROGUE KILL ME. For my effort to preserve myself I lost double exp and double money. Not only was I not rewarded for protecting myself, I was punished because I lack the know-how (and desire) to gun someone down and hide like a child in some sewer to wait out a ridiculous timer.

    4) You are rewarding rogues far too much. They don't die as much as you think because they are cowards and know where to run and hide and who to gang with. They are cowards. It's not actual PvP. This is nothing but gangsters robbing and killing helpless store clerks, to choose a useful analogy.

    JUST GIVE US THE OPTION TO ENTER THE DARK ZONE WITH/WITHOUT PvP! DOUBLE THE ENEMIES IF YOU MUST! IT'D STILL BE 10x MORE FAIR AND MORE ENJOYABLE.

    I am not alone and shut up to anyone who says I'm some poor loser player. I have excellent stats, I run full Sentry's and almost have two of Striker's. I'm despising the game though for its force of the DZ.

    http://divisiontracker.com/profile/uplay/umbra_the_wolf
    You put what I was feeling about this game perfectly, well done!!
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  6. #6

    be sure to vote on the poll

    Originally Posted by stay_onside82 Go to original post
    You put what I was feeling about this game perfectly, well done!!
    be sure to vote on the poll at the top of the page!!!
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  7. #7
    Best opinion ever in the forums. Couldn´t agree more.
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  8. #8

    games

    At what point did video games become unenjoyable? At what point did game developers say, "We know best. Our game is superior," despite people like us saying they are wrong? Ubisoft boasts 9,500,000 players have their game but only 6,000 play daily. When the hell are these game developers going to make games FUN? Because I'm not having any.

    I bought Borderlands 2 Game of the Year Edition because it looked FUN. I think Ubisoft forgot that enjoyment was why we buy games. If we wanted real life sheep murder simulators then maybe us non-PvP gamers would love the Dark Zone. Honestly, the slaughtering of us in the DZ is no different than what the radical Isis Muslims are doing to Christians, Jews and the other Sunni Muslims.

    Congrats Ubisoft, your DZ is simulating the Syrian genocide with actual numbers. As Steam went from 100,000 players to only 6,000, that's the same number of Sunni Muslim deaths since their religious war started. That's how bad the DZ is. When you look at it, the rogues hunting the gentle people is actually a spot on analogy to the war.

    Ubisoft, do you support terrorism?
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  9. #9
    just no just just no no no no no just no
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  10. #10
    Umbra I commend you for the passion you have for The Division GAME, but a GAME it is all it is, leave real life out off it, that hurts deeeep!! LEAVE it alone!!!
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