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[RavenMcB73]

Not sure why there is so much confusion. They were perfectly clear...nothing is getting nerfed except the things that are, and the things which they didn't realise. Seems perfectly clear to me.

[slopat]

Either way, they caught their extremely terrible error and corrected it ... FIXED it ... sane players who actually care about balance are happy

Heh, I was relpying to your post when you fixed it. Kudos.

Though the OP's point I think isn't about whether or not Sentry needed balancing. Ubi could have mentionned this "fix" long ago and thus avoided players wasting time and materials. That's what's at issue here.

[BmF-aP]

Ok, so let me get this strait.


Currently, everyone uses Sentry set beacuse, well, lets face it..... strikers and tactician just are not very good.
They use Brutal and Balanced because, well, lets face it..... all the other talents just are not very good.
They use reckless chest because, well, lets face it...... 34 Elites one shot you with the 10% reduction, imagine without it....


So you want to nerf ALL the best sets, talents, and high end items people are using. This is going to make people play more? This is going to help them progress or enjoy the game more?

While I understand that they never intended some of these talents/sets to work this way to begin with.... what do you expect people to replace them with? This is a HUGE ~~~NERF~~~~ to everyones character. No matter what you want to call it,.... fix, patch, adjustment, normalize..... whatever you want to label it as, we all just became a bit weaker.

Unless they have a way to replace these missing stats, I doubt many people will stay around after the patch.

Little advice..... don't announce nerfs to stuff unless you are ready to announce what new sets and buffs we will receive. Everyone's upset because you are taking away, and haven't shown any sign of what you are giving. Its not unheard of practice to nerf things,.... but you need to show us what you are buffing to make up for that.

So now everyone uses sentry..... and the challenge mode incursion is still only being completely by less than 10% of the games poulation..... lets see how much that % dwindles after you take away everyone's sets and talents.

[Solidus...]

now this really annoys me, 2 weeks ago on state of the game, you reassure us no nerfs just buffs, then a week later, you casually tells us you making my sentry's build useless WTF, i use AR and SMG with sentry's, i spent hours getting and rolling sentry's gear, i spent a s hit ton of credits, rolling stuff, NOW MY BUILDS F ucked. I was looking forward to patch 1.2

1. Most things will be fixed, not nerfed, cuz they are broken. Sentry works like stryker, and even better, if not change sentry then for what purpose is stryker set?
2. Nerfed will be only brutal.
3. they say there will be no nerfs in 1.2. Those nerfs/fixes, call it what ever u want, will be made in patch after 1.2.

[SirServed29]

Currently, everyone uses Sentry set beacuse, well, lets face it..... strikers and tactician just are not very good.
They use Brutal and Balanced because, well, lets face it..... all the other talents just are not very good.
They use reckless chest because, well, lets face it...... 34 Elites one shot you with the 10% reduction, imagine without it....

I'm stubborn. When the news got out as to how OP Sentry is and how broken Striker is in comparison, I said "Whatever, by the time I completely reroll to Sentry, it will get fixed anyway." The 10% extra damage mitigation in 1.2 should be better than the broken Reckless is in its current state, due to Reckless only being a 10% increase to your existing mitigation. Unless something changes, it won't matter and the Shotgunners will still kill you in one shot at close range.

So you want to nerf ALL the best sets, talents, and high end items people are using. This is going to make people play more? This is going to help them progress or enjoy the game more?

While I understand that they never intended some of these talents/sets to work this way to begin with.... what do you expect people to replace them with? This is a HUGE ~~~NERF~~~~ to everyones character. No matter what you want to call it,.... fix, patch, adjustment, normalize..... whatever you want to label it as, we all just became a bit weaker.

Unless they have a way to replace these missing stats, I doubt many people will stay around after the patch.

Little advice..... don't announce nerfs to stuff unless you are ready to announce what new sets and buffs we will receive. Everyone's upset because you are taking away, and haven't shown any sign of what you are giving. Its not unheard of practice to nerf things,.... but you need to show us what you are buffing to make up for that.

You nailed it with this one, I 100% agree. All this talk of "new Gear Sets that are more weapon specialized" but no real info after telling us our promised weapon balances won't be here in 1.2 is unacceptable.

So now everyone uses sentry..... and the challenge mode incursion is still only being completely by less than 10% of the games poulation..... lets see how much that % dwindles after you take away everyone's sets and talents.

It's funny too, because I tried the CM Incursion a few weeks back in a full Clan party and we wiped at Wave 15. We attempted to recreate the magic over the next few hours and couldn't even get close. I haven't been back into FL CM ever since. Between the amount of time that was shaved off my lifetime and the odds of my time being completely wasted on a bad drop, I just decided to stay away.

[BmF-aP]

It's funny too, because I tried the CM Incursion a few weeks back in a full Clan party and we wiped at Wave 15. We attempted to recreate the magic over the next few hours and couldn't even get close. I haven't been back into FL CM ever since. Between the amount of time that was shaved off my lifetime and the odds of my time being completely wasted on a bad drop, I just decided to stay away.

That's where I am at now. I have only completed the CM FL once, and I was lucky and got 240 strikers gloves with SMG-D/CHD/CC/Pulse crit. Tried it again at least a dozen times after that with the same group, we still have not beat it again. Get to wave 11-15 and something goes wrong and its a slippery slope from there.

Now we hear that they are nerfing the talents/sets we are ALL using.... and we don't use them because the internet told us to, we have tried all the other sets (i have full sets of each type with decent min/max stats in my stash). We use sentry beacuse simply put, it is the best. And EVEN NOW, the best is still barely even viable!!!!


So now you are nerfing all that..... essentially making us weaker stat wise.... and tell us nothing of what is coming to replace it? How do you expect people to stay motivated to play?

[Infidel.Castro]

Lets see what they do to the rest of the talents, hey? We may be pleasantly surprised.....or not, who knows.

[Gizardpuke]

now this really annoys me, 2 weeks ago on state of the game, you reassure us no nerfs just buffs, then a week later, you casually tells us you making my sentry's build useless WTF, i use AR and SMG with sentry's, i spent hours getting and rolling sentry's gear, i spent a s hit ton of credits, rolling stuff, NOW MY BUILDS F ucked. I was looking forward to patch 1.2, but it seems your just making the game harder, just think all the things they took away in 1.2, its going to make the game alot harder, no reckless, balanced,brutal (nerf ) and of course sentry's.......................................... ..........honestly you should tell us when things are not working as intended, has soon as you know, not let us farm for a month, to get future nerfed gear,I WANT A S HIT TON OF MATERIALS, OR I WANT TO BE ABLE TO ROLL ALL MY SENTRY'S GEAR AGAIN.

I,M NOT SURE I CAN CARRY ON WITH THIS GAME, what will you be nerfing next week? what about that dude, what about the state of his hair? he is just lies, its sad when you have to lie to try keep players, half the problems/bugs you dont even mention really im confused to what you intend to do with this game, honestly i dont think you guys do, you promise the world, but deliver nothing, i just think playing this game now is a waste of time, you dont communicate anything, just tell us what you think we want to hear

"no nerfs just buffs" LIES, THIS IS 100% PROOF YOU LIE.

here we go, another "I, ME, MY" rant.
the sentry change is not a nerf. its now working as it should have been (though i still believe that it should be marksman rifles only). that set, was fundamentally broken.
they are not changing the talents at all, they are still going the same damage as they are described. so its not being nerfed.

its being FIXED. big difference.

[BmF-aP]

here we go, another "I, ME, MY" rant.
the sentry change is not a nerf. its now working as it should have been (though i still believe that it should be marksman rifles only). that set, was fundamentally broken.
they are not changing the talents at all, they are still going the same damage as they are described. so its not being nerfed.

its being FIXED. big difference.

While I do understand that they never intended it to work that way to begin with (Or so they say, likely it was not tested properly), You do need to understand that the act or process of making something less than what it was before said act or process is considered to be a nerf. You get that right? So as much as you want to rationalize their incompetence with words like "fix" or "normalize" ..... the fact is we are all becoming weaker after these changes go in affect.

[Gizardpuke]

Ok, so let me get this strait.


Currently, everyone uses Sentry set beacuse, well, lets face it..... strikers and tactician just are not very good.
They use Brutal and Balanced because, well, lets face it..... all the other talents just are not very good.
They use reckless chest because, well, lets face it...... 34 Elites one shot you with the 10% reduction, imagine without it....


So you want to nerf ALL the best sets, talents, and high end items people are using. This is going to make people play more? This is going to help them progress or enjoy the game more?

everything you mentioned here is BROKEN!!!!!!!
technically, by using them your taking advantage of a known exploit.

be thankful your not getting banned for using them. these items are being FIXED, as they are all fundamentally broken beyond belief.