Please, STOP forcing People with exclusive equip into Darkzone if they don't want it. | Forums

[kellygreen45]

I'll throw my opinion out here... and I know... opinions are like ***holes... everyones got one...

Been playing since closed Beta... loved it... BUT... closed AND open Beta I never went into the DZ... wasn't interested in it... heck, even got my pre-order in just for the single player portion of the game...

After the game went live... started playing... still had zero interest in the DZ... grouped with a friend one day and he suggested a DZ run... "Sure... I guess, why not..."

Been running it since then, solo mostly and grouped now and then... and loving it... sure, Rogues jumping me slow my leveling down (finally hit level 68 yesterday and close to 69) but that's part of the fun to me I believe...

The tension factor of not KNOWING who's going to jump you... I help out neutral agents all the time, even with the chance they could back stab me and take my loot. Heck, helped out a group take down Bonnie in DZ01 yesterday, got some Sentry Gloves as a drop... didn't say anything but still... even a HE drop is worth it for some to gank you over... managed to extract them as well... only GS 191 but not a bad haul finally...

Bah, rambling on a bit but I guess the final bit I needed to put out is again, I'm loving the DZ... when to start, that was the part of the game I had ZERO interest in...

Missed the point.

The DZ clearly appeals to some players. You're one...and that's FINE.

The problem---and the OPs point----is that the game gives you NO CHOICE. I've been playing the game as long as you have....and unless I'm playing with people I trust...I really want nothing to do with the DZ. I find its PVE play tedious...and its PVP play to be organized griefing.

Massive should be designing this game so that people who only want play PVE an do so....and still fully gear-up/level up their characters....while the DZ is there as a PARALLEL progression path for those who want PVP, or enjoy that "high-risk PvE play.

Its not that there is anything "wrong" with the DZ. What is "wrong" is Massive's determination to force everyone to play it....and punish anyone who doesnt' with progression walls.

[Greymaine]

The problem is that you are wrong. Gear Requirements will be equal to those of FL, it was said this week during the Twitch.

The stated gear requirements are useless guidelines anyway. I've tried FL twice with a GS of 185-187 [average for the players I was matched with] and failed to get past wave 4.

[kellygreen45]

Wait, where does it FORCE you to do the DZ? You can still get end game gear in the BoO. The items in the DZ are not required to end game content, it' just bonus gear for the people willing to play that advertised aspect of the game.

The games whole loot system is designed to PRESSURE the player into playing the "whole" game.

Other than Path of the Nomad Gear...the highest level armor can only be obtained by grinding the Incursion.

Other than the one or two OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive weapons that show up at the BoO tech vendor each week......GS 204 weapons are only available in the DZ...and can only be reliably obtained by grinding up to DZ rank 50 to buy (a much wider selection of ) items. Or to rank 75 to get access to the blueprints.

Although Massive has assured us that this is just a "placeholder" number.....the next incursion has a "recommended" GS of 220.

There is NO way to reach that number without GS 240 armor, and GS 204 weapons.

IOW. If you don't want to grind the the Incursion, and don't want to deal with getting shot in the back in the DZ.....there is basically NO WAY to proress past about GS 195-200 in this game.

NONE.

[googlebright]

The stated gear requirements are useless guidelines anyway. I've tried FL twice with a GS of 185-187 [average for the players I was matched with] and failed to get past wave 4.

You're right, FL is not about gear score. The first time I completed it I was at 189 but the other three were low 170s. The difference was we all had mics, were actively communicating and everyone had a cool, chill attitude so frustration was kept to a minimum. We wiped probably 10 times but kept working at it and finally managed to beat it. Since then I beat it every week with PUGs on the first try. The key is having everyone on the same page, working together and communicating.

[Yhasper]

Again, the player has a choice, there is no forcing to be found here. DZ and gear or wait for content updates to PVE and work on that.

This is exactly where we agree and differ at the same time.
Yes, you got a choice. As PvP and PvE uses basically the same gear (have yet to see someone using Nomad set) the choice should be equal to everyone. However, it isn't.
I don't see why it shouldn't be a legitimate desire by the OP to get on equal ground with PVP(only) players.
The only thing I would add is: Make Nomad set GS240 available to PVP players and give them an opportunity to get GS240 gear by doing PVP (which will come with 1.2).

Cheers.

[kellygreen45]

Right, and that is my point EXACTLY! Its a want versus a need. As a PVE player you WANT to have the shinies, but you dont NEED them to complete your missions. As a PVP player you NEED that higher end gear because you NEED to keep up with other players or your just fodder. If I have a GS 204 AUG or M1A and im running PVE missions, does it really matter if im killing mobs slightly faster then you are as long as we meet our objective and that is finishing the mission? This argument is asinine at best. Show me PVE content that you can not complete without DZ gear and I will feel sympathy for these people, until then wait for the patches and see what happens.

Actually its your argument that is asinine.

You don't NEED to live in a house that's heated....electrified....with indoor plumbing in order to survive.

So---if we apply your "logic"----one should not feel ANY sympathy for the plight of the homeless.

What you forget here is that Massive is running a BUSINESS...and WE are its CUSTOMERS....and right now PVE players (the vast majority of RPG gamers) are being asked to accept a POOR level of service from Massive.

Oh, and you saying....."Show me where you need to have a properly cooked steak, and your veggies prepared as you requested, in order to get enough calories. THEN I'll feel some sympathy for the fact that the restaurant ****ed up your meal."

[xPLAY3R1x]

The lack of PVE content is what drove the majority of the player base away.

Even in the betas, it was primarily PVE and when you did go into the DZ... A) The penalties for going Rogue made it an actual choice, and B) the mobs weren't as hard as they are in the retail release. So, even if you were "ganked", you could easily make up the lost DZ rank, XP and credits within minutes. Now, it takes around 10-15 depending on your gear... Which is where the vicious cycle comes into play. You can't kill higher level PVE mobs unless you do have higher GS weapons, but they are gated behind the DZ ranks and funds OR the incredibly lame Incursion.

TL;DR - The developers basically wanted to make a PVP-centered MMO, but this is NOT who these games appeal to, so the original player base that was PVE centered just up and left when free-for-all PVP was promoted in the DZ, and they aren't coming back. Gamers HAVE evolved and want both a sense of progression AND fairness. The DZ offers neither as does the rest of the game's mechanics like the RNG on top of RNG top of RNG on every piece of gear, weapon, etc. as well as crafting no longer being an engaging or rewarding activity for those who don't want to go into the DZ, either.

[googlebright]

The games whole loot system is designed to PRESSURE the player into playing the "whole" game.

Other than Path of the Nomad Gear...the highest level armor can only be obtained by grinding the Incursion.

Other than the one or two OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive weapons that show up at the BoO tech vendor each week......GS 204 weapons are only available in the DZ...and can only be reliably obtained by grinding up to DZ rank 50 to buy (a much wider selection of ) items. Or to rank 75 to get access to the blueprints.

Although Massive has assured us that this is just a "placeholder" number.....the next incursion has a "recommended" GS of 220.

There is NO way to reach that number without GS 240 armor, and GS 204 weapons.

IOW. If you don't want to grind the the Incursion, and don't want to deal with getting shot in the back in the DZ.....there is basically NO WAY to proress past about GS 195-200 in this game.

NONE.

Is this a surprise? In any loot game I've played, if you want the top-level gear you have to complete the hardest activities. I don't think its reasonable to say that you don't want to farm the Incursion or the DZ but you still want 240 armor and 204 guns.

[kellygreen45]

These posts are absurd. Sorry, they are.

It's the equivalent of a vocal community of WoW players saying they want the Raid gear to drop in HCs because they don't like raids.

No.

its like almost all good MMOs these days, realizing that they have to have a path to level cap available to every way in which people want to play the game.

Or people LEAVE your game and go play something else.

Which is what is happening to THIS game....in SPADES right now.

[Oatiecrumble]

I see no reason why the blueprints in the dz ain't also sold in BoO, you like to PVP use your DZ funds to buy them, you like to PVE use your PC to buy them, but please don't force people to play in the dz to get them.

I love crafting, 90% of my gear is crafted, i hate pvp but yet they are trying to force me to pvp just to carry on with my crafting.

Either make the blueprints sold in DZ and BoE or have them drop from bosses in the DZ and PVE.

To top it all off this is what the DZ plays like for me and read others too:

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The stuttering when i play is more frequent than the above video.

p.s It's 100% not my connection.

Oh forgot to mention, i know gear score does not mean loads but it can do when you join a group for incursion and they kick you due to not being 200+....not all the time but it happens more often now.