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[AI BLUEFOX]

Your engagement here is with the Dev team. At the workshops/Skype calls we have with the Devs the Community Managers are there and take part. They also take questions to them and have them answered. The content you have seen in the Q&A videos comes from questions and concerns raised here. The Devs also read the forums, they just aren't allowed to contribute. It doesn't follow that because the Devs don't agree with every suggestion they aren't listening and although an idea may not be adopted we have already seen that feedback is working. The GRFS message was well and truly received!

So you can choose to articulate what you'd like and that can be considered or you can choose to generalise from a negative perspective. That isn't a criticism from me to anyone holding that perspective and there is no need to justify it as I understand it, really I do, I am simply pointing out that this won't help make things better. It might feel good to have a vent, but the Dev team can't take much of that and do anything with it. I'm simply pointing that out.

[GlossyClub1723]

BlueFox me and you have been friends for a long time, and whilst i respect you and your opinions i beg to differ. i joined the GRAW crowd very late on in the games "life" it was laggy and exploding buses caused rooms to crashed, and host could lag players into next map ect ect. it was so a great game, more for the community of friends i played with rather than the game itself. so along comes GRFS, what a great game that was, without trying to be beheaded i think im one of the top 50 on XB- or at least was i might add lol.

But that had what 6 updates, once a month i think and then by thanksgiving the very same year Ubi just seemed to give up on. the rooms got worse and the game started to be unplayable due to "ubisoft server unavailable" or "connection to host lost" or "xbox live connection lost" or sometimes all three in a row i might add.

so along comes R6S- i loved the game, not a great fan of FPS but i was willing to give a go, loved the betas i played and gave feedback on bugs ect. however it was released December, but mid January i was unable to play to the "rubber banding effect" i was taking 3 steps back for every one forward. and it was like that all night, every room, no matter who i was playing, tried Yanks, Assiues, Europeans. so i waited for the division to come out, and i love it the division for me was a great perfect game, till the first incursion update and then i felt more was broken than fixed.

which brings me onto my person problem with each of the "new" games. you are decreasing the player squads (GRAW was 8 per team /16 total, GRFS was 6 per team /12 total, R6S is 5 per team/10 total and now division is 4 team/ unknown total) i can forgive a slightly broken game if the community of players are there. like it was with GRAW but why keep the smaller sqaud sizes?
however i am one of them muppets who will still buy the game, because i love the ubisoft franchises as much as they "seem" to be broken (A/C, GR, RS,)

anyways i think i rambled on for long enough and probably not put my thoughts in the right place either

[AI BLUEFOX]

That's kind of the point though, Glossy. Relatively speaking the games have always had issues and GRAW's were worse than Future Soldiers which were worse than Rainbow 6 Siege whilst at the same time the complexity of the games has increased. However they were and are still great games and whilst you were having rubber banding issues the rest of us weren't. That's because of your spawny connection, LoL.

Nobody is suggesting games are perfect, just that this is a new industry pushing technology to its known extent and we have to judge it that way. You can sit on the sideline and do nothing and maybe shout abuse or you can try and help.

[GlossyClub1723]

My spawny connection???? i have no idea what you mean Mr Fox

and i would love to help, i just 1) dont know anything about game making, and 2) dont know how to help other that say what ive found wrong in the past and pls dont repeat themistakes.

[AI BLUEFOX]

Well, you make a really good point about the squad size as GR should be on open maps with a scale to suit at least 8v8, and less if you want it. The siege mode on GRAW2 was suited for 6v6 even on the biggest maps, but for my liking you needed 8v8 for Sharpshooter. GRFS had the 8 dropped to 6 quite late on judging by the lobby slots and to be honest that was probably necessary due to the map design and general gameplay.

[GlossyClub1723]

well that was what i was wondering- does the big open maps like division and wildlands correlate to small teams, because the severs/client side stuff ( not gunna pretend i know what im talking about here) cant handle the bigger teams?

[GiveMeTactical]

Speaking with me is the same as speaking with the dev team, since I forward the feedback here to them, and then give you guys their responses. The dev team is currently working as hard as they can on the game to make sure it is the best it can be, and don't have time to check the forums regularly. This is where I come in. This way you have communication with them, while they still are able to work hard on the game. It's a win/win for everyone all around.

I think we have had enough positive feedback... enough to be able to make 2 or 3 different games with it... let's just wait until the game is launch to see whether they did listen or whether UBI will launch a mediocre turd like UBI's normal stds... I guess only time will tell. Meanwhile, allow me to have my reservations about you, UBI and the Devteam I think I have earn the right to be cautious given UBI's history.

Some of what I say may sound similar, because I am the only CM for NCSA. Everything you read probably came from me. I'm one person... therefore what I say is by default going to sound similar. I don't mean for it to sound like marketing copy/pasta. There's just only so many way one person can answer the same questions the same way. :/

I don't know what NCSA is but I can get the jist.
I am old enough to know and distinguished when someone is speaking normally and when someone is being evasive and/or toting the company scripted words... regardless of whether you initially wrote them or they did it for you.

When I ask a normal question, the last thing I want is you trying to handle me with big words... its like listening to sport players talking to announcers after a game, race, etc and instead of answering the question, they start to give praise to all of their sponsors and never really answer the question... that is what I am talking about. I can produce a video if you still don't understand what I am talking about

I feel as if you may have read sarcasm in my statement. I didn't mean any sarcasm. I just think it's unfortunate that you have had the experiences that you have, causing you to feel the way you do. You are clearly an amazingly passionate member of the community, and my hope is that Ghost Recon Wildlands is the game that does indeed remind you of why you loved the franchise to begin with. <3

See there you go again trying to handle me with used car salesmane marketing words but that's ok, I can understand that you guys can't help it, you have been doing it for so long it comes natural to you now that you don't even feel or believe that you are doing it lol. At least you got the passionate part right otherwise I wouldn't even bother.

Oh and Bluefox... I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on some of the issues... mostly because the issues with Xbox have almost no relation to those of the PC and because it seem that my level of enjoyment is a bit different than yours and others as well so we won't soon agree on those points but don't think for a second that I don't respect your points of view.

[ES-Ulukai]

All I see from you in this forum is negative feedback, Ubi this, Ubi that, don't give my money to blablabla.

Man you didn't even played R6 Siege and I bet you didn't played The Division so you don't have to give your money to Ubisoft but you allow yourself to judge Ubisoft on games you didn't played because you did your research on the forums to read people issues.

Let me tell you what the truth in thoses forums and for years now, people that complains are a minority of the whole community, most of the issue pc player have comes form they own pc not updated.
Yes there are bugs, yes they are cheaters but does that mean those games aren't finished ? Nope cause there's still a lot of people that play those games and doesn't feel the need to come to the forums.

Ubi made some choices for those games and a part of the people complain about it, fine it's they right they have bought the games. But you come here just to spit on Ubi when you don't know what you're talking about.
I'm pissed off too sometimes when I play Siege cause the game isn't like Raven Shield when I shot people and they don't die because it's the game is not hardcore by default.
I'm pissed off too when I get in the Dark Zone with my friends we get kill by a guy that oneshot us.

Now stop being a *** and give some real feeback here.

[GiveMeTactical]

All I see from you in this forum is negative feedback, Ubi this, Ubi that, don't give my money to blablabla.

I could easily turn this around and say that you are one of those people that like to suck on UBI's tit but I defend your right to do so. Not all the things I have said are negative but again, given UBI's history I feel I have a right to be negative and/or not believe when they are hyping this new game with the mantra that "This time around it will be different and things will change"... since this is what they all have said previous to launch any other game.

Man you didn't even played R6 Siege and I bet you didn't played The Division so you don't have to give your money to Ubisoft but you allow yourself to judge Ubisoft on games you didn't played because you did your research on the forums to read people issues.

So, what you want me to do is buy the mediocre game so I can personally testify that the game was broken at launch and that whatever patches are available have done nothing to fix the game? I am sorry you feel that way but it enough for me to make up my mind not to buy something. I do have friends playing those 2 games and I have taken the game for a spin and yes, as always, the games are FULL OF POTENTIAL but in the end, we get the same memorable feeling of being let down because they cared more about eye candy than gameplay.

Let me tell you what the truth in thoses forums and for years now, people that complains are a minority of the whole community, most of the issue pc player have comes form they own pc not updated.

And I can tell you that you could be completely WRONG as well. Speaking from personal experience and from someone that has been around computers since floppy disks PC were king (I already said this somewhere else but just in case you missed it and you know where I am coming from!), I keep a couple of friend's PC up to date, with latest drivers and hardware, yet, I have had troubled installing their games because of bad coding or poorly ported games at launch.
These guys have had to wait for days, some weeks for the miracle patch to download in order for them to be able to play.

Yet another WHY I don't buy their game and/or wait for all of the patches to fix the issues or wait for the bin sale... more so since I only do Solo Campaign.

Yes there are bugs, yes they are cheaters but does that mean those games aren't finished ? Nope cause there's still a lot of people that play those games and doesn't feel the need to come to the forums.

And those are the casual gamers, more excited to show off to their friends that they have gotten to level Gazillion in 1 day so they have now moved to the next flavor of the month... People like me who see the potential and grew up with the Franchised feel scorned and rightfully so because it is my hard earned money they have stolen from me. To me is the violation that gets me and not so much the 50 or 60 bucks they stole from me.

Ubi made some choices for those games and a part of the people complain about it, fine it's they right they have bought the games. But you come here just to spit on Ubi when you don't know what you're talking about.

Explain to me how exactly I don't know what I am talking about, yet... you are? What exactly gives you more rights that I?

I'm pissed off too sometimes when I play Siege cause the game isn't like Raven Shield when I shot people and they don't die because it's the game is not hardcore by default.
I'm pissed off too when I get in the Dark Zone with my friends we get kill by a guy that oneshot us.

And yet, you are ok with being ok with it and feel that more positive feedback is required in hopes that in not so distant future they will eventually listen to you? Well, sorry but I call that being naive... I could be wrong though.

Now stop being a *** and give some real feeback here.

Now now, we can do name calling if you want but I rather they don't lock this thread on account off we are flying off the handles... I do give feedback, more than they deserve but I will not suck on their tit just for the fun of it since they know I am right when I calling them out on their wrong doings, otherwise, they would not be telling us that they want to change.

See, they need people like you but they also need people like me to remind them that when they go make turds, not every one think that they smell like roses.

[SuperBiscotCOT]

I could easily turn this around and say that you are one of those people that like to suck on UBI's tit but I defend your right to do so. Not all the things I have said are negative but again, given UBI's history I feel I have a right to be negative and/or not believe when they are hyping this new game with the mantra that "This time around it will be different and things will change"... since this is what they all have said previous to launch any other game.

Not ALL the things you said are negative but you are stuck on the same line. In almost ALL your posts you reapeat something like "They don't listen to you" or "Ubi don't give a f*** " try to go to your last posted messages and next time make some posts without these useless comments.
Never a CM or Ubisoft said "This time around it will be different and things will change" they admited the fact they made not the right choices few years ago, it's a fact OK but you say something that was never said by Ubi or anyone here ! Some people in the community, like me, see efforts that they are doing to improve relations with the community but don't invente something.

So, what you want me to do is buy the mediocre game so I can personally testify that the game was broken at launch and that whatever patches are available have done nothing to fix the game? I am sorry you feel that way but it enough for me to make up my mind not to buy something. I do have friends playing those 2 games and I have taken the game for a spin and yes, as always, the games are FULL OF POTENTIAL but in the end, we get the same memorable feeling of being let down because they cared more about eye candy than gameplay.

Euh ... hum hum. I found R6S for around 20$ on internet ... You don't want to make your own oppinions ? If you based your feedbacks on comments of forums you are wrong about the game because the majority of people coming on R6S forums come to show there rage and cry. Also think that they are a minority compare to the number of people enjoying the game.

And I can tell you that you could be completely WRONG as well. Speaking from personal experience and from someone that has been around computers since floppy disks PC were king (I already said this somewhere else but just in case you missed it and you know where I am coming from!), I keep a couple of friend's PC up to date, with latest drivers and hardware, yet, I have had troubled installing their games because of bad coding or poorly ported games at launch.
These guys have had to wait for days, some weeks for the miracle patch to download in order for them to be able to play.

Yet another WHY I don't buy their game and/or wait for all of the patches to fix the issues or wait for the bin sale... more so since I only do Solo Campaign.

Ulukai is clearly not a beginner
Again based on your friends' feedbacks, try by yourself ! And please don't exagerate everything, you don't have to wait monthes for patches. We already explained it to you but you don't seem to understand it : they test games but it's on minimal scale compared to the number of people launching the game the day of his realease. Yes, patches are needed but no, they don't code badly and no, you don't have to wait monthes for patches

And those are the casual gamers, more excited to show off to their friends that they have gotten to level Gazillion in 1 day so they have now moved to the next flavor of the month... People like me who see the potential and grew up with the Franchised feel scorned and rightfully so because it is my hard earned money they have stolen from me. To me is the violation that gets me and not so much the 50 or 60 bucks they stole from me.

Casual gamers ? Please reapeat that ? I never posted a message to complain about cheaters or something like that. I already showed some negative point s but not in ALL my posts ! And I don't consider myself as a casual player but maybe as a positive and helpful community member/gamer espacialy when I see the behaviour of some people ( maybe you ? ) that are supposed to be more reasonnable than me ( sorry but you have the same behaviour as a kid but maybe you don't realize it ).
Don't say to mee that you don't have enough money and that these 50$ (or 20$ if you search well ) saved your life by buying something to eat :/ And they don't stole it from you ...

Explain to me how exactly I don't know what I am talking about, yet... you are? What exactly gives you more rights that I?

You played these games ?

And yet, you are ok with being ok with it and feel that more positive feedback is required in hopes that in not so distant future they will eventually listen to you? Well, sorry but I call that being naive... I could be wrong though.

It's not that they will eventually listen to us but more that they already listen to us ... And yes, more positive feedbacks are required ...

Now now, we can do name calling if you want but I rather they don't lock this thread on account off we are flying off the handles... I do give feedback, more than they deserve but I will not suck on their tit just for the fun of it since they know I am right when I calling them out on their wrong doings, otherwise, they would not be telling us that they want to change.

See, they need people like you but they also need people like me to remind them that when they go make turds, not every one think that they smell like roses.

Oh ... I know a lot of CM that would already ban you because they would see you as too toxic for the community.
Yes you give feedbacks ... BUT please stop adding in these feedbacks comments like "Ubi stole your money", "Ubi is bad", ... It will be more convincing
I don't thing I give feedbacks for the fun but more to be sure that I will have a fun exceperience with the game when it will be realease.
I'm sure you would be realy (and when I say realy it's REALY ) useful for the community but your pessimistic feeling is too strong that your feedbacks have no more sense