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[XAndy02X]

The way I do things now is:
1. Don't buy in to any hype, do your own research.
2. Don't pre purchase
3. Watch some Twitch streams and ask myself if I'll really enjoy it. (Do I need friends to fully enjoy it? Etc)

[GiveMeTactical]

Before I even begin this long winged post, let me just say for the umpteen time... MY OPINION IS SOLELY BASED ON pc GAMES AND CAMPAIGN/SOLO EXPERIENCE not on MP

I think you're misunderstanding me.

I'm not suggesting you don't have a right to complain, that my experience is worth more than anybody's and I am not trying to lower the bar. All I am saying is we stand a better chance if we offer feedback that can be acted on. How does a developer take a general comment without any detail and take it anywhere?

It sure seemed that way by the way you posted your questions though. English is my second language but I have lived in the US for half my life now so I think I can read and understand it fairly well. I been around forums long enough to understand the lingo as well and around computers since the Floppy disk were King.

Given feedback to people that don't care to listen and they toos it away over and over again is not my idea of passing time. Fool me once and all that jazz... you know?

I also don't believe in "This time around we are serious, believe us, we won't let you down". To me that immediately translates into... "Yeah you idiot, give us your money and we will bamboozle you yet again like we have been doing since you bought Vegas and Graw". I do believe in ... "Let me finish the product, if you are not satisfy and with good reason you can return it... we will do this to prove to you that we are serious about changing our pirate ways"... but you and I know this is not going to happen anytime soon.

All I am asking is what specifically about R6 Siege etc has not worked for you?

Again, I have not purchased the game because I am not about to give UBI my money for an unfinished product. What I have done is my homework and research by going to the forums and reading what the masses and real people are saying about it and what the videos show and what I have seen and read is more of the same crap I already have seen and read before from the previous games, hence, when I read the kind of answers given by Community managers on some of the questions posted here I just tend to laugh because I know they are reading off of a written marketing hyped out script they have been given and not from the heart so I tend not to believe a word they are saying. Those answers are almost the same and similar to what they told us back in 2005.

I am on Xbox and Siege has had far less issues than PC, particularly hacking and cheating which is now the R6 Dev teams highest priority, but I have found a game with its issues nonetheless. Nothing like as bad as "broken" or "unplayable" as some might say and in a better state for multiplayer than GRAW 2 was and GRFS and better by far than BF4 was for its first 6 months. It runs as smoothly for me as any CoD game has. So that is the bar I am using for comparison, not some low standard to keep Ubisoft happy or some high standard that I don't believe is realistically attainable for the gaming industry yet. And I have given my feedback!

Well, see... therein lies the problem. You are on Xbox and I am on PC, yet, you want me to believe that because you don't have issues on the platform they have developed the game on I shouldn't be having issues on a none tested or barely PC? or one badly ported pc game where I can barely use 4 buttons on a common mouse? or even been able to key bind different keys on my kb to my liking? Is that the kind of feedback they need explaining to? if they can't even do this right from launch do you really believe they will care to patch a broken game?
Again, you must remember that Xbox is where they made the game so fixing the small bugs or issues should not be a problem for them but when changing from High or Max settings to Low settings does nothing to improve the game, it does not take a genius to figure out the game is botched.

We can disagree on the release standard for today's games, as I'm sure we do, so all I am asking is what is your experience? It's obvious that some people are having many more issues on some games than others that is down to more than just perspective and tolerance. You have a chance to influence the thinking behind a game before it is released to offer up your experience on those recent titles and how you would improve them. I don't know why you wouldn't want to take that opportunity.

If it was true that I have the chance to influence (kind of an optimistic word for UBI's std given their historywouldn't you say?)... again, talking about PC not console) do you not think I would be doing so? Since you are not on PC, perhaps you don't understand the feedback we presented ubi when they started with the hype for GRAW and Vegas and yet, they crapped all over the community but n worries, they gotta listen to us for GRAW2 & Vegas 2 but you guessed it, they did not and went and did the game how they wanted or like, which is fine if they will be the only ones buying it or playing with it. If they come here and say... listen, we made this game to our liking and how we want to play so if you don't like it Tough... then I can make an informed decision on to whether I want to purchase it or not.

On the other hand, if they come here all nice and friendly llike asking for feedback and take 1% of the whole thing, well, that kind chaps my pooper, which to me, that is pretty much what they have done with the GR and R6 franchised.

I could go on but I think I have said more than enough for one day and probably have lost my train of thought more than 4 times already LOL

[UbiKeeba]

We haven't announced a release date for Ghost Recon Wildlands. I appreciate all of the feedback given in this thread, and understand the frustrations vented here. Please remember this forum is dedicated to Ghost Recon Wildlands, and most of the discussion here seems to be venting frustrations about other games. Also, the OP started off with talking about pushing back release dates, but we have not yet released one, so there is no date to push back. I also want to remind everyone to please conduct all discussions with respect, and never attack another poster on this forum. We are all here to share in our passion for Ghost Recon, and to discuss what we would like to see in the game.

I want to assure everyone that we are working as hard as possible to make Ghost Recon Wildlands an amazing experience. Also,I want to assure you that community feedback has played a big part in the development of the game.

[SuperBiscotCOT]

I will also just add that : you may not trust CM but I think you are wrong. Maybe you had a bad experience in the past but please don't blame the CM of this forum who is making an incredible work for you

What Keeba just answered you is clearly not a "marketing scripted thing". They don't have an easy job, it's realy hard to don't cross the line : you say one word that you shouldn't say and there is the "Hype train" or Suppositions start to emerge everywhere on internet. How many times Keeba got quoted on internet or in YT videos ... and sometimes people are missunderstanding what she answer on this forum.
So yes sometimes CM have to refer to a "script" or to their manager to be sure they don't cross the line. But they put a lot of heart and profesionalism making their job and all your intresting and constructive feedbacks are send to the studio.
So you can't blame Keeba because she is one of the best CM I know and you have a lot of chance she is on this forum.

[Xion-]

I want to assure everyone that we are working as hard as possible to make Ghost Recon Wildlands an amazing experience. Also,I want to assure you that community feedback has played a big part in the development of the game.

Sorry but I don't believe you. They said the exact same thing in GR:FS PC and ACU and look what happened to those. I'll believe it when I see it. As stated above by GiveMeTactical you mods just copy and paste from a script of what to say to the community so you can push them into buying your new product. Not going to work for me. Sorry!

[UbiKeeba]

Sorry but I don't believe you. They said the exact same thing in GR:FS PC and ACU and look what happened to those. I'll believe it when I see it. As stated above by GiveMeTactical you mods just copy and paste from a script of what to say to the community so you can push them into buying your new product. Not going to work for me. Sorry!

It's unfortunate you feel that way. I can assure you, though, I've never copy and pasted any of my messages. I look forward to hearing your feedback once you are able to play the game.

[GiveMeTactical]

Unfortunately the gaming forums are an extremely poor source on which to judge the state of a game. Most negative issues are misunderstood and amplified beyond all recognition, and It's a shame really because people are missing out on some fantastic games. With the exception of hacking and graphics, PC issues and console issues are pretty much the same because the consoles are PC architecture, and game development is carried out on a PC platform. The main reason I stay on console is to avoid hackers.

Well, I beg to differ up to a certain point. As stated before, I have been around computers almost half my life so I am sure I can understand one a guy whines and when a guy complains. I belong to a few different forums (not just ubisoft) where we discuss all of the other games with very open and personal opinions. Debates are always welcome and we help each other out most of the time if we get into situations with games.

Again, UBI games are full of potential, perhaps the most potential out any of the other shooters out there but they are fail to produce at the end. The reason why I play all the CoD games is not because their plot is better than UBI's but because those game work from day one, the weapon ergos are spectacular and you have your eye candy as well. Do I also hate them because of their lack of options, sure, but I can buy it, install it and play it right then and there... there are no same day patches that I may or may not be able to download the same day, etc, etc... which is the norm with ALL of the UBI games as of late.

I also disagree with you regarding where games are made. If all games were made on a PC then why is it that almost ALL UBI games lack mouse and keyboad functionality? I could be totally wrong in my logic and way of thinking but something tells me that if I develop something with mouse and keyboard I will not forget to add this function when I port my game. And there is no need to rehash this subject to death so I am not going to be specific here.

i think it is important to distinguish between the two issues here as well. The topic is about the quality of the game at release more than it is about the features. If the Devs have chosen to ignore the community suggestions and produce a game that works, but nobody wants, then that is a different issue to producing a game with all the features but which runs poorly and doesn't work. One is a conscious decision, and is the prerogative of the Dev team, but in the case of Wildlands they are very much listening. The other is a failure to deliver, but to fix it requires high quality feedback.

Like I said, if they would come out and say... #1 This is how the game is play and you will not have options to do anything but! I wouldn't mind because then I know what the game is all about and I can make my decision based on the truth. It is very different when they come here asking for feedback, we give it and at the end they do totally the opposite of what was asked.

Also, it is almost a kick in the danglies when they launch a game full of problems and bugs and before there's even a patch working, they are already hyping the new DLC???... seriously, talk about adding salt to a wound.

Either way, it is down to us gamers to engage effectively with the Dev teams as it is in our interests to do this. I recognise it has not worked well before - go check my posting after Future Soldier came out and when the Summer 2010 beta was not released! Toxic!! Things have moved on, though, Ubisoft have recognised their issue and are trying to resolve it. We haven't seen the fruits of that yet, and I understand the reticence and cynicism but the past is the past. The Dev team are reaching out and what do we have to lose by reaching back?

If our engagement was direct with the Dev Team I wouldn't mind it as much, although, we already did that dance and at the end... I got all Hot and Bothered but had to go home alone and take a cold shower!

Talking with CM's is not the same and again, it makes me laugh when I hear someone say... Oh but he or she is not the same, this time around is for real... rinse and repeat. How about prove it first and then come tell me to believe you.

I will also just add that : you may not trust CM but I think you are wrong. Maybe you had a bad experience in the past but please don't blame the CM of this forum who is making an incredible work for you

She just did a few posts above...

I want to assure everyone that we are working as hard as possible to make Ghost Recon Wildlands an amazing experience. Also,I want to assure you that community feedback has played a big part in the development of the game.

It may not be verbatim but it sure as hell seems like the same thing is repeated every chance she gets (I didn't even know the CM was a she, that's how much attention I pay to them!). Only because I am a lazy sob I don't go search for similar posts from other CMs in other forums and or in GRAW & VEGAS... I can almost guarantee that almost all of those words are used.

It's unfortunate you feel that way. I can assure you, though, I've never copy and pasted any of my messages. I look forward to hearing your feedback once you are able to play the game.

It really is unfortunate, more so for me but it is what it is and I will continue to sleep as good or bad as I normally do... I suspect you will do the same so no worries!

Oh and sorry but it is kinda hard to talk about the game since there really is nothing to talk about and if we need to compare, we can only do so from other games out there. As far as respecting other members, I do. I may not be politically correct but I have never called anybody any names or curse at him or nothing. Again, perhaps not as civil as you would want to but we are man, we don't hold grudges for very long... heat of the moment stuff and on with the next mission

[UbiKeeba]

If our engagement was direct with the Dev Team I wouldn't mind it as much, although, we already did that dance and at the end... I got all Hot and Bothered but had to go home alone and take a cold shower! Talking with CM's is not the same and again, it makes me laugh when I hear someone say... Oh but he or she is not the same, this time around is for real... rinse and repeat. How about prove it first and then come tell me to believe you.

Speaking with me is the same as speaking with the dev team, since I forward the feedback here to them, and then give you guys their responses. The dev team is currently working as hard as they can on the game to make sure it is the best it can be, and don't have time to check the forums regularly. This is where I come in. This way you have communication with them, while they still are able to work hard on the game. It's a win/win for everyone all around.

She just did a few posts above...

What did I do?

It may not be verbatim but it sure as hell seems like the same thing is repeated every chance she gets (I didn't even know the CM was a she, that's how much attention I pay to them!). Only because I am a lazy sob I don't go search for similar posts from other CMs in other forums and or in GRAW & VEGAS... I can almost guarantee that almost all of those words are used.

Some of what I say may sound similar, because I am the only CM for NCSA. Everything you read probably came from me. I'm one person... therefore what I say is by default going to sound similar. I don't mean for it to sound like marketing copy/pasta. There's just only so many way one person can answer the same questions the same way. :/

It really is unfortunate, more so for me but it is what it is and I will continue to sleep as good or bad as I normally do... I suspect you will do the same so no worries!

I feel as if you may have read sarcasm in my statement. I didn't mean any sarcasm. I just think it's unfortunate that you have had the experiences that you have, causing you to feel the way you do. You are clearly an amazingly passionate member of the community, and my hope is that Ghost Recon Wildlands is the game that does indeed remind you of why you loved the franchise to begin with. <3

[SuperBiscotCOT]

What did I do?

I still don't know

[Reinier-dash]

they don't care about us only money