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    A look into the mind of a rogue player

    I go rogue a lot.
    It's fair to say I spend as much time in the dz with a timer on my head as without .


    I also use lfg daily for my exploits.

    Most rogue players are just normal people out to have a good time.

    There isn't anything sinister going on in their minds. They arent out to grief anyone .

    Quite literally they just kill everything they see without a second thought.

    Most of the time we aren't even talking about the game unless we get a real challenge and have to evaluate tactics.

    Most of all we are having fun. We do it all and play every aspect of the dz.

    Sure, yes every few days I'll get someone on my team who is just a miserable person. They have social issues and want to cause other players to have a bad time at all cost. (These players don't stay on my team long).
    These guys aren't fun to play with.
    Most rogues will get bored to death chasing one guy around the map much less sitting g in front of a checkpoint. Hitting 4 man teams at an extraction is a much better experimence for everyone .

    I know lots of you guys take issue with going rogue.
    Something about your morals holds you back from it.
    It shouldn't . Being rogue on a busy server is one of the most fun and intense things I've ever experienced in a game.

    The thing to remember is its just a game.
    There are more than enough people out there willing to play with you that you don't have to grief people .

    It's a pvp enabled world. It isn't wrong to engage other players. It's supposed to be fun and it was designed to be part of the game. Too many of you get caught up in progressing and forget the very act of playing is supposed to be enjoyable and entertaining. It doesn't have to be about that next level or thst next piece of gear all the time.
    Cut loose and enjoy the game for what it is. Once you stop taking it so seriously and just "PLAY" it's so much more fun and you are getting the experience that the devs intended for you to have.
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    I have nothing against rogues, but I hate the rogues packs praying on single players. There should be a punishment for that. Like total gearscore of the team vs gearscore of the victim. the more the difference the more the ROGUES loose xp.
    It remind me highschool gang bullying. "I am strong with my gang!!!!" And when that guy is alone...it's another story.
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    I just wish there was diminishing returns for same kills within a certain time frame....
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    Originally Posted by Mr_AndersonNEO Go to original post
    I have nothing against rogues, but I hate the rogues packs praying on single players. There should be a punishment for that. Like total gearscore of the team vs gearscore of the victim. the more the difference the more the ROGUES loose xp.
    It remind me highschool gang bullying. "I am strong with my gang!!!!" And when that guy is alone...it's another story.
    I don't really understand the mind set either but most guys arent bullying . They see a player and they kill them. That player happened to be solo but if the run into a group of 4 they are no less likely to pull the trigger. There's no discrimination. We kill everything we see. I've killed several solo players tonight . They happen to cross my path. I didn't go looking for them. I also fought a 7 man group of non hostiles for about an hour. They ganged up to kill us. Well tried to kill us.
    It's really not how you think. We aren't looking for solo players. It just happens that way most the time. Also, if I'm rogue already NO ONE gets shown mercy. I've tried to let solo players run but they are too quick to sneak you in the back while your fighting another group . Trust me, non hostiles in the dz play just as dirty . At least when I'm rogue you KNOW I'm the enemy.
    One thing I've learned is most people in the dz will take advantage of any situation they can. Lots of people like to call rogues cowards but the fact is it goes like this.

    People come to attack us. They run up on us with explosive rounds and as soon as they get close they pop their survivor link.
    The second the s link goes down they run like hell.
    That's 90 percent of my encounters .
    Luckily I've gotten good enough now that I don't need s link or explosives to battle. Just some good aim and good timing and all of those things can be avoided.
    Nobody wants to fight unless they are invincible.
    It's shame but dirt is done on both sides. That's the game and honestly , I enjoy the hell out of it.
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    Originally Posted by il DOWN li Go to original post
    I go rogue a lot.
    It's fair to say I spend as much time in the dz with a timer on my head as without .


    I also use lfg daily for my exploits.

    Most rogue players are just normal people out to have a good time.

    There isn't anything sinister going on in their minds. They arent out to grief anyone .

    Quite literally they just kill everything they see without a second thought.

    Most of the time we aren't even talking about the game unless we get a real challenge and have to evaluate tactics.

    Most of all we are having fun. We do it all and play every aspect of the dz.

    Sure, yes every few days I'll get someone on my team who is just a miserable person. They have social issues and want to cause other players to have a bad time at all cost. (These players don't stay on my team long).
    These guys aren't fun to play with.
    Most rogues will get bored to death chasing one guy around the map much less sitting g in front of a checkpoint. Hitting 4 man teams at an extraction is a much better experimence for everyone .

    I know lots of you guys take issue with going rogue.
    Something about your morals holds you back from it.
    It shouldn't . Being rogue on a busy server is one of the most fun and intense things I've ever experienced in a game.

    The thing to remember is its just a game.
    There are more than enough people out there willing to play with you that you don't have to grief people .

    It's a pvp enabled world. It isn't wrong to engage other players. It's supposed to be fun and it was designed to be part of the game. Too many of you get caught up in progressing and forget the very act of playing is supposed to be enjoyable and entertaining. It doesn't have to be about that next level or thst next piece of gear all the time.
    Cut loose and enjoy the game for what it is. Once you stop taking it so seriously and just "PLAY" it's so much more fun and you are getting the experience that the devs intended for you to have.
    This is exactly how people with antisocial personality disorder justify their behavior.

    I pretty much never run into solo Rogue players and the groups prey on solo players.

    DZ is set up for griefing and it have nothing to do with pvp. ( When the term pvp come up in online games everyone knew it meant consented player vs player fights, something that alot of people nowadays fail to recognize ) I doubt the Developers know the difference.

    What do you mean this is just a game? Some people take their free limited time seriously, some take games also deadly serious ( like football for example ) People use the term " Its just a game " to justify their griefing behavior.

    Acting like a ****** bag in the digital world doesn't mean it wont affect the feelings of other people. "Its just a game" doesn't justify any antisocial behavior
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    Originally Posted by Talyn Go to original post
    This is exactly how people with antisocial personality disorder justify their behavior.

    I pretty much never run into solo Rogue players and the groups prey on solo players.

    DZ is set up for griefing and it have nothing to do with pvp. ( When the term pvp come up in online games everyone knew it meant consented player vs player fights, something that alot of people nowadays fail to recognize ) I doubt the Developers know the difference.

    What do you mean this is just a game? Some people take their free limited time seriously, some take games also deadly serious ( like football for example ) People use the term " Its just a game " to justify their griefing behavior.

    Acting like a ****** bag in the digital world doesn't mean it wont affect the feelings of other people. "Its just a game" doesn't justify any antisocial behavior
    If you take video games seriously enough to consider anything happening to you in a pvp area(outside of cheating) "greifing" I would consider you the one with the issues. That is an unhealthy attachment .
    See your argument might hold water if I didn't do my fair share of dying in there too.
    It's not like I'm god mode running around mudering everyone . I die a LOT !
    it is pvp . It is back and forth but somehow in your mind you've made yourself out to be a victim . That's unfortunate. My question is this IS the game. If ypu do not enjoy the game why do you play ? Why am I antisocial for following the rules in the game I like to play. You are the one that wants it to be something else . YOU are playing the wrong game and worst of all its like you don't even realize it's a GAME!

    Also. If I'm so antisocial why am I playing with different people from lfg every day making friends and you are all alone playing solo?

    Go think about that for a while and get back to me.
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    Ok so you go into the dark zone with your groups, or even solo. You go into there with the mindset of "I am going to kill every single person that I see in there no matter what" now you say you do not go looking for people but basically that is what you are doing. You claim that is not griefing but it basically is, you may not be purposefully going after the same player or players but since there are only 24 to a server then you are.

    You want to go in to kill other players basically knowing full well that most of the time these other players especially solo players will not stand a chance against you but you kill them because that is fun for you. As stated above yeah that is basically anti-social behavior, which at the same time I guess full fills one of Ubi/massive's hopes for the dark zone as a social experience, they have basically been able to show us who is of a stable of mind and who is not whether it is a game or not you know what you are doing you know that it is destructive and cruel behavior yet it gives you a sense of joy.

    Now if you are not using exploits of any kind or have not used exploits to gain your gear then I applaud you for that. However if you are well then that further shows the kind of person that you are. Which brings us to the next issue with rogues. With how the game has progressed whether you want to blame ubi/massive or players who choose to cheat/exploit the problem has become that players have to soon achieved top scores for their characters. Because of this now they are able to roam around and murder helpless players left and right and since the DZ is one of the only ways to get some of the best gear, then the lower tier players now not only have to struggle with the mechanics which have been nerfed to further their grinned, but now they must deal with these groups of roaming griefers who cannot only halt and slow down their progress but completely regress it back by a great amount..

    So in this game having players that just want to go around and kill other players because it makes them feel good is not a good thing for this game. Its simple as that, this game was not meant to be that despite the fact that pvp was placed in with the rogue system as it was and somewhat is now it shows that the pvp was never meant to be as it has become. Lets face it one of the biggest issues with this game is the players, yes the devs messed up with people getting locked out and the other issues this is true, but the most constant and never ending issue is with players going out of their way to make playing the game the most uncomfortable experience for others as best they can, with hacks or without hacks with the sad addition of over exploitation.
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    Originally Posted by il DOWN li Go to original post

    I also use lfg daily for my exploits.

    Originally Posted by il DOWN li Go to original post

    Why am I antisocial for following the rules in the game I like to play.

    I don't think exploiting is following the rules somehow.

    Also to me you sound a little trollish, sorry if your not, but that is the way you are coming across, from what you read on the forums/web pages, most of the players using the exploits are doing that so that they can gain an unfair advantage over other players, and then take that advantage to the PvP area to annoy the normal player.
    Taking the piss out of another forum user because they play solo is trollish, and I think it is you who is missing the point of the game and the Dark Zone, you are trying to turn it into a death match, it was never meant to be that, it was not meant to be full of packs of rogues going round and killing every player in sight indiscriminately just because they have the better gear, it was meant to be a conscious decision to take the risk of killing another agent because there was a punishment for dying as a rogue, who have now taken that aspect of the game away, and can go rogue risk free and all for ****s and giggles.
    If you enjoy that then great, but don't bash other users who do not agree with what you are saying.
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    Originally Posted by solomoncrow Go to original post
    Ok so you go into the dark zone with your groups, or even solo. You go into there with the mindset of "I am going to kill every single person that I see in there no matter what" now you say you do not go looking for people but basically that is what you are doing. You claim that is not griefing but it basically is, you may not be purposefully going after the same player or players but since there are only 24 to a server then you are.

    You want to go in to kill other players basically knowing full well that most of the time these other players especially solo players will not stand a chance against you but you kill them because that is fun for you. As stated above yeah that is basically anti-social behavior, which at the same time I guess full fills one of Ubi/massive's hopes for the dark zone as a social experience, they have basically been able to show us who is of a stable of mind and who is not whether it is a game or not you know what you are doing you know that it is destructive and cruel behavior yet it gives you a sense of joy.

    Now if you are not using exploits of any kind or have not used exploits to gain your gear then I applaud you for that. However if you are well then that further shows the kind of person that you are. Which brings us to the next issue with rogues. With how the game has progressed whether you want to blame ubi/massive or players who choose to cheat/exploit the problem has become that players have to soon achieved top scores for their characters. Because of this now they are able to roam around and murder helpless players left and right and since the DZ is one of the only ways to get some of the best gear, then the lower tier players now not only have to struggle with the mechanics which have been nerfed to further their grinned, but now they must deal with these groups of roaming griefers who cannot only halt and slow down their progress but completely regress it back by a great amount..

    So in this game having players that just want to go around and kill other players because it makes them feel good is not a good thing for this game. Its simple as that, this game was not meant to be that despite the fact that pvp was placed in with the rogue system as it was and somewhat is now it shows that the pvp was never meant to be as it has become. Lets face it one of the biggest issues with this game is the players, yes the devs messed up with people getting locked out and the other issues this is true, but the most constant and never ending issue is with players going out of their way to make playing the game the most uncomfortable experience for others as best they can, with hacks or without hacks with the sad addition of over exploitation.
    +1
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    Here's the real Rogue problem & and a simple soluton

    A solo rogue in the DZ isn't really a problem, when the game first came out, one person going rogue was swiftly chased down and killed, heck even a 4 man rogue squad was pounced upon by everyone, you'd sometimes see 8/9 players chasing them down - it was rewarding to do so.

    now however a month or so later, thanks to exploits and glitches, the DZ is owned by the rogues, a solo rouge exploiting can be a handful, but not a major problem for a group, but a group of 4 rogues, there's the problem, as I stated about 8/9 people could chase these guys down and be rewarded for doing so, now tho, these 4 exploit/glitching rogues are free to hunt down the entire map if they wish (and they do) with very little punishment if they should mess up and die, and gain high rewards from it.

    solutions?

    1) Add new DZ player brackets
    161+ is the current bracket, what we need is -

    161 - 180
    181 - 200
    201 - 220
    220 +

    sure those who have exploited the 240GS gear can simply take it off to lower the bracket they play in, but in doing so they level the playing field a bit more, at the moment those with exploited 240 gear and farmed PC can pretty much instantly kill anyone below a 170GS.

    2) Create an option to be DZ neutral
    Give players an option when entering the DZ to play neutral or not, by choosing neutral - you cannot go rogue, you cannot be killed by rogues, you cannot kill rogues, everything in DZ vendors is 1.5x more expensive, and PC rewards are halved.
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