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  1. #11
    I don't think it's so much the difficulty as it is just the unreliable nature of drops and the loot system. If people had a more reliable way of getting loot. There wouldn't be a need to exploit. I'm not saying make it easy, but it needs to be looked at.

    They need to look at some stats on some weapons and gear that have no business being there. Instead they just have all the exact same stats that can be rolled on all the exact same types of gear. For the set gear, I think they could further customise it fitting the role that the set is designed for. Not just have all the same stats for everything. Make the set gear special and not just like every other piece except for the color. It takes away from the whole point of sets and their specialities.
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  2. #12
    Obviously the OP has never played any old school mmorpgs where it tooks weeks or months even to complete them.
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    Originally Posted by OTG_Derek Go to original post
    Obviously the OP has never played any old school mmorpgs where it tooks weeks or months even to complete them.
    Yeah, games that emulate that old school feel are immensely popular now, look at Wildstar.

    Every new game that comes out has that amazingly fun non instanced boss system like Everquest.
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    Originally Posted by TD-6 Go to original post
    So you went into the biggest chokepoint on the map with your group, and then complained about rushers killing you...

    ^this is the problem I have with pug groups
    you act like any other position is really possible on challenge modes for later waves, with everything nearly 1 shotting you there is no alternative other than that center trench.
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    Originally Posted by TD-6 Go to original post
    It's not that the incursion is hard, it's just that half the game population has the thought process of a potato, so it makes it tough to find a pug group where one or two people aren't constantly dying because their small brains cant comprehend that red circles are bad.

    Incursion isn't hard at all if you know how to play the game right, but this seems to be a common problem among a lot of people...
    Most people aren't ready for the diffculty. And I'm not talking about the people that are sitting on the forums with 200+ Gear Score and 200k+ DPS. Of course these people will say, that it's not hard on challenge. Some people actually made good points. The shotgunners are ridiculously overpowered. They have crazy ranges and can easily 1-shot you on challenge incursion. You need to find a decent team for the challenge, which isn't that easy at the current state of the game. Even then, it's ridiculously hard. I think the Incursion needs at least checkpoints.
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    Originally Posted by DmdttPS Go to original post
    you act like any other position is really possible on challenge modes for later waves, with everything nearly 1 shotting you there is no alternative other than that center trench.
    Under the steps on the left till around wave 8, then the center trench. Its doable, if boredom or the shotgun rushers don't get you.

    And its nothing like old school mmo raids, its an horde mode totally lacking in any inventive design. Imagine the outrage it would have got if it was paid dlc?
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  7. #17
    Originally Posted by Kotwurschd Go to original post
    Most people aren't ready for the diffculty. And I'm not talking about the people that are sitting on the forums with 200+ Gear Score and 200k+ DPS. Of course these people will say, that it's not hard on challenge. Some people actually made good points. The shotgunners are ridiculously overpowered. They have crazy ranges and can easily 1-shot you on challenge incursion. You need to find a decent team for the challenge, which isn't that easy at the current state of the game. Even then, it's ridiculously hard. I think the Incursion needs at least checkpoints.
    +1 or at least checkpoint after wave 8 thats over half waves done.
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  8. #18
    So I just read in the news what ubisoft is wanting to do. Personally I don't think we should be punished for your horrible programming. Someone found a glitch and an exploit in your new content and it spread like a wildfire in a dry forest. People couldn't even matchmake challenge mode with out someone teaching this glitch. The programmers only have themselves to blame for exploits like this. Either way I have yet to find any real enjoyment in your game either way, if it wasn't for friends I probably would never have touched it. So punish us if you wish, I would love to see your title fail even worse than it already has. Oh and from your previous attempts to do multiplayer type games (assassins Creed mp for example) and now this one? Stop while you're behind.
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    Originally Posted by Kotwurschd Go to original post
    This message is for Ubisoft Massive.

    So now you wanna punish the exploiters for something that was in the game, but you couldn't find it first. The problem here is so many people actually exploited/glitched, you would punish a huge amount of your player base. The reason why people are looking for new exploits is the difficulty of the Incursion itself.

    It's nearly impossible to complete the Incursion with random matchmaking or a random group, because most people don't have 200k DPS and 100K health. The enemies were on lvl 31 on hard on your stream, a few days before the release (https://www.twitch.tv/thedivisiongame/v/58575487). I don't know why you felt like making this much more difficult by increasing the enemy lvl's on hard & challenge on the last minute. You should get some decent testers before you throw something at the player base that would avoid more people from looking for exploits.
    I disagree - the incursion is currently top-end content which means it's supposed to be darn hard! ...

    there are two reasons why people are exploiting.....

    a) Because there is no apparent penalty for cheating in the game (Ubisoft/Massive are to blame here!)
    b) Because people expect to be given everything for free without having to work for it (society is the blame here!)

    There are always going to be bugs and glitches and exploits and unless the exploiters get punished then that'll only increase in numbers. Certainly Ubi/Massive should work a lot harder at removing these glitches AND the temptation to use the (bans!).

    The blame is 50/50 between the developers and the community (or at least the members of the community using the exploits). My biggest issue with this is the fact that the DZ ends up with a large disparity between in gear levels between exploiters and non-exploiters. Even if new exploiters get banned there's still all those who have had major benefits from past exploits. This is the one thing Ubi/Massive need to sort out.

    tl;dr:
    a) Ubi/Massive should have resolved this much much quicker.
    b) Exploiting is unacceptable no matter your reasoning.
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  10. #20
    Originally Posted by Kotwurschd Go to original post
    This message is for Ubisoft Massive.

    So now you wanna punish the exploiters for something that was in the game, but you couldn't find it first. The problem here is so many people actually exploited/glitched, you would punish a huge amount of your player base. The reason why people are looking for new exploits is the difficulty of the Incursion itself.

    It's nearly impossible to complete the Incursion with random matchmaking or a random group, because most people don't have 200k DPS and 100K health. The enemies were on lvl 31 on hard on your stream, a few days before the release (https://www.twitch.tv/thedivisiongame/v/58575487). I don't know why you felt like making this much more difficult by increasing the enemy lvl's on hard & challenge on the last minute. You should get some decent testers before you throw something at the player base that would avoid more people from looking for exploits.
    No, exploits are not "in the game". If there was some gun in or armor piece that was dramatically overpowered, that would be something "in the game".

    Exploits are not part of the game.
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