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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by andy_richter77 Go to original post
    cheating originates from hacking and means you tamper with the game systems to gain advantage, happens on PC version of the Division
    glitching is the normal game behaviour that just happens to be in the game and is not documented and you don't tamper with the game code, server, etc. etc. so

    hum just no. That maybe what kids think, but cheating exist even before video games or the word hacking. And for an example when in some game you use the ingame console ( like in fallout 3-4 for not give you too old example) is call cheating and you still use nothing more than the game itself.

    The definition of cheating and exploit are the same : Take an advantage the normal game rules don't give you. Period.

    Even hacking at the end have the result is the same. You do something the game don't allow normally. And all of that are forbidden by the game rules ( see the COC)
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  2. #22
    Originally Posted by ZQuizMaster Go to original post
    Go steal, cheat, or do amoral thing in real life and I bet you will REGRET it. What rubbish you speak. In any society the rules are there for the majority of the people. Prisons are there for people who cannot or will not conform to the rules. So, cheating is wrong because the majority says so. Unless you are the King and live on an island all by yourself, which you don't. Get a life.
    In Burundi the majority if inhabitants saw it as perfectly acceptable to slaughter another ethnic group. Majority opinion does not make something "right" or "wrong" nor do they negate the fact that they are subjective opinions. Slavery was upheld as a moral obligation through a large part of human history by the majority of people. Killing people with different believes is still a central tenant in many religions.

    Companies profited form the annihilation of others countries economies and the exploitation of cheap labor and the absence of labor laws to have their workers work in abhorrent circumstances. Their CEO's drive in nice cars, live in nice villa's and enjoy unprecedented luxury. Companies disenfranchise millions of workers every year causing many of them to live in impoverished conditions just so the company can pay e few extra millions to share holders. Hedge funds purposefully manipulated oil prices to make short term profits and they crashed entire economies starting recessions. They never bat an eyelash and are still reaping the rewards.

    And some companies sell broken products for top prices and then shirk responsibility....and people allow them to get away with that because soebody exploited. Go figure.

    So go cry me a river about your morality and subjective labels. If you get upset over what happens in a game then you indeed need to get a life.
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  3. #23
    Originally Posted by Karamasov445 Go to original post
    hum just no. That maybe what kids think, but cheating exist even before video games or the word hacking. And for an example when in some game you use the ingame console ( like in fallout 3-4 for not give you too old example) is call cheating and you still use nothing more than the game itself.

    The definition of cheating and exploit are the same : Take an advantage the normal game rules don't give you. Period.

    Even hacking at the end have the result is the same. You do something the game don't allow normally. And all of that are forbidden by the game rules ( see the COC)
    The game rules do allow you to do it...otherwise it would not be happening.

    The CoC are not the game rules.
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  4. #24
    Originally Posted by Ash20011 Go to original post
    The game rules do allow you to do it...otherwise it would not be happening.

    The CoC are not the game rules.
    Really :

    Natchai_Ubisoft :
    We are working on fixing the exploit. Obviously it is against our Code of Conduct and the team is looking into what can be done in terms of punishment for those who have exploited.

    If you want to review our Code of Conduct: http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php...ode-of-Conduct
    http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php...-the-exception


    Glitching: Abusing a bug in the Game code or other established rule of gameplay
    -- First offense: temporary suspension
    -- Multiple offenses: permanent ban
    http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php...ode-of-Conduct

    you sure ?
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  5. #25
    Wow...

    Openly encouraging others to cheat.. even going so far as to flame them for not.. (first page)
    and you sit there and debate the fact's when you just did one of the worst things humanly possible.. pushing someone into doing the wrong thing by use of shame..

    then we start trying to paint all of humanity with the same deluded and toxic brush.. wow.. just wow..

    I stand with OP.

    I guess that makes me some kind of looser... well.. at the end of the day i earned my title, i earned my loot.. you xploiters have earned nothing.. in fact you've lost your humanity somewhere along the way.. i wish there was a way to remove you all onto different servers.. and separate the player-base into the legit players, and the xploiters..

    Or i'll just be happy with your total removal from this and any other ubisoft product.. and considering the hate towards this IP.. that's a win/win.. you don't have to play anymore.. life wont be so hard you need to cheat to gain an advantage in this game.. as that's what the xploiters have done. you can all go plague some other game.

    We wear the nerfs.. you lot don't.. so don't tell me about fair.. WE BLAME YOU not ubi or massive.. YOU.. you screwed this up for us.. not the devs. not the bugs.. YOU.
    Don't go trying to make us understand your ethos... YOU HAVE NONE.
    YOU CHEATERS ARE WHY WE CANNOT HAVE NICE THINGS

    *insert massive line of really bad words i'd be banned for*

    OP.. just play man.. we need to just play.. they are making their own noose, and by that action won't be around for much longer at this rate.
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  6. #26
    Originally Posted by TickTak77 Go to original post
    Just going to throw this out there:

    You guys could have used the Incursion farm as well, you know?

    It was never going to be a ban offense, the same way that The Bullet King or the boss farming wasn't a ban offense either.

    Ubi were fine with it. You chose in your moral superiority that it wasn't the right thing to do, and that's cool. But now that the glitch has been patched, and those that used it have moved on, why haven't you?

    Why are you still moaning and whining about something?
    People don't want to cheat their way through, should they be punished because they DON"T want to cheat? what sort of logic are you trying to put forth?
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  8. #28
    Originally Posted by andy_richter77 Go to original post
    the only thing i can guess now is that you're from Burundi? right?
    on the side note: US profits from annihilation of other cultures, economies etc. etc. so what's your point here? or you didn't really know that?
    P.S. it was me who was explicitly saying everyone to go and get a life and stop whining about glitches, but i guess you couldn't really read everything from Burundi

    I did not address you in that post. So why you feel I did is beyond me...seeing as we are arguing on the same side of the coin. Maybe it hard to read from where you are as well?
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    Originally Posted by andy_richter77 Go to original post
    no it is not, glitching has nothing to do with tampering with the system or code or anything for that matter, game is broken - yes, you are just gaming the game, period while cheating doesn't have a strict line, and is usually due to modifying system elements and getting yourself outside the realms provided by the game constrains
    so as you said wiki is not a solid proof, just turn your brain on and think, maybe
    You can't just create your own definition of cheating then use it as the foundation of your argument.

    I got the cheat definition from merriam-webster.com. None of the definitions mentioned anything about "tampering with the system or code". The definition that most closely compares with cheating in a video game is either "to break a rule or law usually to gain an advantage at something", or maybe "to violate rules dishonestly <cheat at cards> <cheating on a test>".

    Using mobile cover to go through a wall is breaking the game's rules of physics. So while it is a glitch...it is also considered cheating.

    cheat: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat
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  10. #30
    Originally Posted by Xarian7 Go to original post
    Wow...

    Openly encouraging others to cheat.. even going so far as to flame them for not.. (first page)
    and you sit there and debate the fact's when you just did one of the worst things humanly possible.. pushing someone into doing the wrong thing by use of shame..

    then we start trying to paint all of humanity with the same deluded and toxic brush.. wow.. just wow..

    I stand with OP.

    I guess that makes me some kind of looser... well.. at the end of the day i earned my title, i earned my loot.. you xploiters have earned nothing.. in fact you've lost your humanity somewhere along the way.. i wish there was a way to remove you all onto different servers.. and separate the player-base into the legit players, and the xploiters..

    Or i'll just be happy with your total removal from this and any other ubisoft product.. and considering the hate towards this IP.. that's a win/win.. you don't have to play anymore.. life wont be so hard you need to cheat to gain an advantage in this game.. as that's what the xploiters have done. you can all go plague some other game.

    We wear the nerfs.. you lot don't.. so don't tell me about fair.. WE BLAME YOU not ubi or massive.. YOU.. you screwed this up for us.. not the devs. not the bugs.. YOU.
    Don't go trying to make us understand your ethos... YOU HAVE NONE.
    YOU CHEATERS ARE WHY WE CANNOT HAVE NICE THINGS

    *insert massive line of really bad words i'd be banned for*

    OP.. just play man.. we need to just play.. they are making their own noose, and by that action won't be around for much longer at this rate.
    I would argue that what makes somebody a looser is subjective. Thinking there is such a thing as "earning" your loot is imo one of them....and feeling that people using shoddy game design are ruining the game for you is another imo.

    I think a lot of people would be happy to leave this title if it weren't for the fact that they don't get their money back. Money paid for a game that is exploitable in mere hours after the latest patch to fix exploiting by using the same means that are used in almost all the exploits....it is laughable, it is humiliating and it is a god damn indictment what state the game world is in that releases of such games are considered excusable for Triple A pricing.

    Don't shift the focus here. There would be no exploits if there had been adequate play testing, adequate coding and if there was no huge imperative to profit from exploits. Those are the real issues.

    Not whether or not some player deployed a mobile cover to have the bonus stick to their character, glitch through the gate in the Russian Embassy, General Assembly, Lincoln Tunnel, Police Station, Incursion Hard, Incursion Challenge...and again through the gate in the post-patch Incursion Hard, post-patch incursion Challenging, The DZ in at least three locations...in order to power level DZ, avoid manhunts, escape manhunts, kill players from a position they can't reach. Etc.

    Or how about a player wearing the rehabilitation perk for weeks after discovered, that armor talent, double revives, getting weekly rewards every time helping new friends, exorbitant loot drops etc etc.

    Sorry....out all the problems start and end with the company.,...not the players
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