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  1. #11
    Originally Posted by andy_richter77 Go to original post
    the fun thing here is how you put inline 3 things that absolutely have nothing to do with each other in terms of time:
    1) being a husband is more of a passive role, it is like being a boyfriend or being in a relationship in general - you don't have any official duties as a husband
    2) having work - is what pays off your gaming hobby so no reason to mention it here
    3) having a kid is a priority here and by all means have to be above all else, and if you are a good father you wouldn't even be here whining about stupid game and rather spend time with you kid who is absolutely more important than your 240 loot item
    Wow, first I thought you were an a..hole but it turns out you are just a comedian. If I am bored, I will check out your other posts and see if they make me laugh as well...
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    I believe that the issue at hand is that now that he can actually play the incursion, that he cannot get the reward at the end. So doing the incursion now is essentially pointless until next week when the rewards come back into play.
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    Originally Posted by andy_richter77 Go to original post
    the fun thing here is how you put inline 3 things that absolutely have nothing to do with each other in terms of time:
    1) being a husband is more of a passive role, it is like being a boyfriend or being in a relationship in general - you don't have any official duties as a husband
    2) having work - is what pays off your gaming hobby so no reason to mention it here
    3) having a kid is a priority here and by all means have to be above all else, and if you are a good father you wouldn't even be here whining about stupid game and rather spend time with you kid who is absolutely more important than your 240 loot item




    My son and I game together. So I am not a good father? STFU dumba$$.
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    Originally Posted by andy_richter77 Go to original post
    so why can't you? your religion doesn't allow you?
    exploit takes 25-35 min to do, it is still possible to do it, 2-3 more ways to glitch after the patch, go and do it and don't whine that you can't
    P.S. if you whine about others exploiting the game and say that you don't have enough time because of the family maybe you shouldn't have picked up this game in a first place
    you are a good example of the Gresham's law and most probably an immature adolescent.
    One buys a game to have fun - exploiter/glitcher etc.. ruins the fun.
    One complains on the forum - will the company which produces the game take action?
    It may take or it may take not but, eventually, it is a commercial decision - do they care about the money that casual player may put into a season pass?
    well husbands & fathers have typically higher disposable income than immature adolescent.. do the math

    Ditto for the guy below apparently praising the fact that by playing an higher amount of hour you will have God like power and can wipe out anyone from the DZ who is just crossing it to see the building and make the occasional mission - sooner or later you stay alone with your glitches.
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    Originally Posted by Ash20011 Go to original post
    Calling something cheating in itself is a moral label though. I personally do not see exploits as cheating per se (or at all) since the rules are arbitrary and outside of the game. Laws are merely a reflection and codification of the current consensus of the ruling/dominant group.

    But yes...people have been rationalizing "wrong" and "right" all the time. Which means they do not exist. There are no absolutes...there are merely opinions which have more or less support and agreement.

    But how morality is subjective and a gliding scale can easily be demonstrated by the idea of killing another human being. Killing another human being is amoral. However. We define all kinds of exemptions to this rule.

    Killing another human being is amoral unless it saves the life of another human being.
    Killing another human being is amoral unless it is done in revenge.
    Killing another human being is amoral unless it is allowed by law
    Killing another human being is amorall unless God commands it
    Killing another human being is amoral unless they did something we feel very strongly about
    Killing another human being is amoral, but when they request it it may or may not be.
    Killing another human being is amoral except in self defense.
    Killing another human being is amoral except in the line of duty.
    Killing another human being is amoral except when done to alleviate suffering.
    Killing another human being is amoral except during war time
    Killing another human being is amoral but innocent civilians are collateral damage

    These negotiations show that morality is not a fixed thing. There is no absolute here and the core concept has already been eroded by the fact that circumstances change the position....and that means that killing a human being is only amoral under specific circumstances....which in turn leads to the conclusion that the amorality of something is dependent on both the individual and the context of a situation.

    Now...all that does not mean that I am right and you are wrong. It means that I have a moral code and keep to ethics that are different than yours, perhaps. You do not have to agree with them and you can condemn them...but your position, as well as mine, is subjective and not universal.
    You make a good argument. I do however, believe there are some absolutes, like killing (and cheating ), which are at their root just wrong. There may be reasons to justify killing at times, but killing is still wrong. A soldier at war, a cop protecting a citizen, mercy killing, self defense, etc might seem to justify killing but I still feel like the action of taking another person's life is fundamentally wrong, regardless of how we rationalize it at the time. It's the reason people go through PTSD and other emotional issues after taking a life or witnessing the killing of another person...because at our core, we know killing is wrong.

    I do see some logic in your argument, I just don't agree.
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    Originally Posted by Tizodd Go to original post
    You make a good argument. I do however, believe there are some absolutes, like killing (and cheating ), which are at their root just wrong. There may be reasons to justify killing at times, but killing is still wrong. A soldier at war, a cop protecting a citizen, mercy killing, self defense, etc might seem to justify killing but I still feel like the action of taking another person's life is fundamentally wrong, regardless of how we rationalize it at the time. It's the reason people go through PTSD and other emotional issues after taking a life or witnessing the killing of another person...because at our core, we know killing is wrong.

    I do see some logic in your argument, I just don't agree.
    Ive killed people in war. I didnt feel bad afterwards.

    Of course my Army psychologist called me the most functionally sane sociopath he had ever met. He basically said if I believed I was doing the right thing, that killing another human being would never bother me.
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    Originally Posted by TangoXrayNiner Go to original post
    Ive killed people in war. I didnt feel bad afterwards.

    Of course my Army psychologist called me the most functionally sane sociopath he had ever met. He basically said if I believed I was doing the right thing, that killing another human being would never bother me.
    Of course there are exceptions to every rule...like sociopaths lol

    Still doesn't change the rule though.
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    Originally Posted by Tizodd Go to original post
    Of course there are exceptions to every rule...like sociopaths lol

    Still doesn't change the rule though.
    Oh no, I agree. It was still wrong.

    No matter your beliefs, every human being IS a unique snowflake. And you end that, you take that soul out of that body, and no one will ever see that person, talk to that person, be with that person ever again.

    I mean I knew I was over there to get the fat cats more oil money, didnt work out that way, but that was the core reason. I wasnt defending my country, or its citizens. But do I think I did good over there?

    Sure, those people would have murdered hundreds of people for there beliefs, so me ending them, just icing on the cake.
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    Originally Posted by Ash20011 Go to original post
    Calling something cheating in itself is a moral label though. I personally do not see exploits as cheating per se (or at all) since the rules are arbitrary and outside of the game. Laws are merely a reflection and codification of the current consensus of the ruling/dominant group.

    But yes...people have been rationalizing "wrong" and "right" all the time. Which means they do not exist. There are no absolutes...there are merely opinions which have more or less support and agreement.

    But how morality is subjective and a gliding scale can easily be demonstrated by the idea of killing another human being. Killing another human being is amoral. However. We define all kinds of exemptions to this rule.

    Killing another human being is amoral unless it saves the life of another human being.
    Killing another human being is amoral unless it is done in revenge.
    Killing another human being is amoral unless it is allowed by law
    Killing another human being is amorall unless God commands it
    Killing another human being is amoral unless they did something we feel very strongly about
    Killing another human being is amoral, but when they request it it may or may not be.
    Killing another human being is amoral except in self defense.
    Killing another human being is amoral except in the line of duty.
    Killing another human being is amoral except when done to alleviate suffering.
    Killing another human being is amoral except during war time
    Killing another human being is amoral but innocent civilians are collateral damage

    These negotiations show that morality is not a fixed thing. There is no absolute here and the core concept has already been eroded by the fact that circumstances change the position....and that means that killing a human being is only amoral under specific circumstances....which in turn leads to the conclusion that the amorality of something is dependent on both the individual and the context of a situation.

    Now...all that does not mean that I am right and you are wrong. It means that I have a moral code and keep to ethics that are different than yours, perhaps. You do not have to agree with them and you can condemn them...but your position, as well as mine, is subjective and not universal.
    Go steal, cheat, or do amoral thing in real life and I bet you will REGRET it. What rubbish you speak. In any society the rules are there for the majority of the people. Prisons are there for people who cannot or will not conform to the rules. So, cheating is wrong because the majority says so. Unless you are the King and live on an island all by yourself, which you don't. Get a life.
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    Originally Posted by andy_richter77 Go to original post
    cheating originates from hacking and means you tamper with the game systems to gain advantage, happens on PC version of the Division
    glitching is the normal game behaviour that just happens to be in the game and is not documented and you don't tamper with the game code, server, etc. etc. so

    so please use the right terms here...
    Cheating...glitching...same difference, lets not kid ourselves...

    I know wiki isn't concrete proof, but it was the place I found something that mentioned game glitching specifically. One line reads that game glitches "give them an unfair advantage in the game, over NPC's or other players, such as running through walls or defying the game's physics".

    Now I don't know about you...but anything that gives someone an unfair advantage sounds like cheating to me. In fact, one of the definitions for cheat according to merriam-webster is "to use unfair or dishonest methods to gain an advantage".

    See the unfair advantage theme going on? Lets stop lying to ourselves and trying to rationalize wrong to right. It is what it is.

    glitch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glitch..._game_glitches
    cheat: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat
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