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    Slap in the face... Again

    I'ts really hard to be a legit player. Now that theyve turned of the weekly incursion awards there is no way for me to catch to The glitchers (who Will probably stay unpunished).

    To make iT even worse. After the patch there are tons of new ways to glitch the incursions.

    Really hard to stay positive that Massive will fix iT
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    Bottom line is, legit players are the ones who are punished and held back. They don't care if you complain about cheaters and exploits.
    If I knew how big of a clusterfu ck this game was going to be, I never would have bought it.
    Only game where hackers,cheaters and exploiters are condoned, if you're legit, oh we're sorry we can't help you.
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    Just going to throw this out there:

    You guys could have used the Incursion farm as well, you know?

    It was never going to be a ban offense, the same way that The Bullet King or the boss farming wasn't a ban offense either.

    Ubi were fine with it. You chose in your moral superiority that it wasn't the right thing to do, and that's cool. But now that the glitch has been patched, and those that used it have moved on, why haven't you?

    Why are you still moaning and whining about something?
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    I couldnt. I have work and im a husband and father. This was nu first opportunity this week.
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    Originally Posted by Casartelli Go to original post
    I couldnt. I have work and im a husband and father. This was nu first opportunity this week.
    So?

    Should there be a cap on how much everyone else can play just because you aren't able to play as much as other people?
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    Originally Posted by andy_richter77 Go to original post
    just like in real life, people get over you and you are left behind, maybe you should have got the gear the same way everyone else was doing that?


    correct sir, this person whines about his stupidity i guess or whines about being so righteous, i'm not getting it
    It has nothing to do with being whiny, righteous, or having a moral high ground - and it has everything to with having (and living by) a code of ethics and honor that you apparently could not even begin to fathom based on your own puerile statements...

    Also, if you truly believe that being a husband is merely a "more of a passive role, it is like being a boyfriend or being in a relationship in general - you don't have any official duties as a husband," then I truly feel sorry for whatever medicated woman ends up with you...
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    Originally Posted by andy_richter77 Go to original post
    just like in real life, people get over you and you are left behind, maybe you should have got the gear the same way everyone else was doing that?


    correct sir, this person whines about his stupidity i guess or whines about being so righteous, i'm not getting it
    No, it actually means the OP has more integrity than the average person. It may be just a game, but it's still cheating. The OP doesn't agree with cheating and didn't do it...period. Will he be left behind often? Yes, but that's his choice. He's making a post about it because ideally, when people do something wrong they're supposed to be punished. Unfortunately this isn't happening with Ubisoft. I honestly doubt it ever will.

    DL : DR - Choosing to do the right thing doesn't make the OP stupid or a whiner.

    And no, I'm not on some soap box...I used the glitch just like many people did. But I can also be objective enough to understand why a person with stronger integrity wouldn't do it.

    edit: Scratch my post in regards to the OP...I just saw his post where he says he couldn't do the glitch because he was busy. Guess his integrity is just as weak as ours lol...he just needed more free time. I still stand my my statement though regarding anyone who chose not to do it for moral reasons.
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    Right and wrong are subjective. Morality does not exist and those that say it does often make morality negotiable. Ethics are culture based creations that change over time.

    Your personal ethics and integrity are merely that. Your own. In no way superior to that of others except by subjective interpretation.

    All this however is ironically inside this games story.
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    Originally Posted by Ash20011 Go to original post
    Right and wrong are subjective. Morality does not exist and those that say it does often make morality negotiable. Ethics are culture based creations that change over time.

    Your personal ethics and integrity are merely that. Your own. In no way superior to that of others except by subjective interpretation.

    All this however is ironically inside this games story.
    Eh...maybe you're right...I personally doubt it though. Cheating seems like it would be considered morally wrong everywhere. I'd hate to live in a society where it was considered a good thing.

    According to merriam-webster.com, cheating can be defined as:

    : to break a rule or law usually to gain an advantage at something
    : to take something from (someone) by lying or breaking a rule
    : to prevent (someone) from having something that he or she deserves or was expecting to get
    : to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
    : to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice
    : to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting <cheat death>
    : to practice fraud or trickery b : to violate rules dishonestly <cheat at cards> <cheating on a test>
    : to be sexually unfaithful —usually used with on <was cheating on his wife>
    : to position oneself defensively near a particular area in anticipation of a play in that area <the shortstop was cheating toward second base>
    source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat

    None of these sound good to me, except maybe the last one if you're a baseball player lol.

    People try to rationalize wrong to right all the time in an attempt to make them feel better about their behavior. I think we all know the truth though. When I do something wrong, like cheating, I know I'm doing something wrong. I might have my reasons at the time, but I'd never try and convince myself I'm doing something right.
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    Originally Posted by Tizodd Go to original post
    Eh...maybe you're right...I personally doubt it though. Cheating seems like it would be considered morally wrong everywhere. I'd hate to live in a society where it was considered a good thing.

    According to merriam-webster.com, cheating can be defined as:

    : to break a rule or law usually to gain an advantage at something
    : to take something from (someone) by lying or breaking a rule
    : to prevent (someone) from having something that he or she deserves or was expecting to get
    : to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
    : to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice
    : to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting <cheat death>
    : to practice fraud or trickery b : to violate rules dishonestly <cheat at cards> <cheating on a test>
    : to be sexually unfaithful —usually used with on <was cheating on his wife>
    : to position oneself defensively near a particular area in anticipation of a play in that area <the shortstop was cheating toward second base>
    source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheat

    None of these sound good to me, except maybe the last one if you're a baseball player lol.

    People try to rationalize wrong to right all the time in an attempt to make them feel better about their behavior. I think we all know the truth though. When I do something wrong, like cheating, I know I'm doing something wrong. I might have my reasons at the time, but I'd never try and convince myself I'm doing something right.
    Calling something cheating in itself is a moral label though. I personally do not see exploits as cheating per se (or at all) since the rules are arbitrary and outside of the game. Laws are merely a reflection and codification of the current consensus of the ruling/dominant group.

    But yes...people have been rationalizing "wrong" and "right" all the time. Which means they do not exist. There are no absolutes...there are merely opinions which have more or less support and agreement.

    But how morality is subjective and a gliding scale can easily be demonstrated by the idea of killing another human being. Killing another human being is amoral. However. We define all kinds of exemptions to this rule.

    Killing another human being is amoral unless it saves the life of another human being.
    Killing another human being is amoral unless it is done in revenge.
    Killing another human being is amoral unless it is allowed by law
    Killing another human being is amorall unless God commands it
    Killing another human being is amoral unless they did something we feel very strongly about
    Killing another human being is amoral, but when they request it it may or may not be.
    Killing another human being is amoral except in self defense.
    Killing another human being is amoral except in the line of duty.
    Killing another human being is amoral except when done to alleviate suffering.
    Killing another human being is amoral except during war time
    Killing another human being is amoral but innocent civilians are collateral damage

    These negotiations show that morality is not a fixed thing. There is no absolute here and the core concept has already been eroded by the fact that circumstances change the position....and that means that killing a human being is only amoral under specific circumstances....which in turn leads to the conclusion that the amorality of something is dependent on both the individual and the context of a situation.

    Now...all that does not mean that I am right and you are wrong. It means that I have a moral code and keep to ethics that are different than yours, perhaps. You do not have to agree with them and you can condemn them...but your position, as well as mine, is subjective and not universal.
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