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[Evillpig]

You are contradicting yourself.
Going outside and window shooting make it just like any other generic FPS.
Spawn killing is frowned upon in any FPS.
They need to make defenders red when they stand in an open window and spawn the attackers on the rooftops.
The early alpha builds & demo had the defenders coming out of a helii onto the roof, that is how it should be.

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My god this stupid sh!t is getting old. The "pre alpha" footage was a movie made not captured during game play.

[Udonitron]

My god this stupid sh!t is getting old. The "pre alpha" footage was a movie made not captured during game play.

Yeah I know that, it is all pre-rendered and I never said it wasn't...you missed the point, didn't you?

[C_A_G_E]

Your right they do. Have someone on your team be over watch.

Yes thank you.... Why are there so many of these post now....

[Udonitron]

Because more and more people feel a need to voice their disdain.

[DoubleBogey]

Because more and more people feel a need to voice their disdain.

No, just a vocal minority of bad players. Luckily Ubisoft doesn't seem to want to bend to the will of the scrubs.

[Udonitron]

Thankfully you are blocked because I am sure your comment was full of troll.

[ActionMan00]

Sorry, but your example doesn't fit the game (or other games).
Traffic laws prohibit certain behavior like speeding, running over pedestrians, etc. Just like game rules implemented by Ubi prohibit glitching, cheating or bug using.
- opening doors/windows to get an early shot on the attacking team is neither of that.
- opening doors/windows during prep phase was a glitch and got addressed
- opening a window and having a clear shot on a spawning operator is bad map design and hopefully gets addressed too.

And another thing, a sneaky tactical shooter like R6 has no "fair play", actually quite the opposite. Both teams' task is to find the best way to overcome their opponents or secure the objective. Which mostly means killing the others with shooting, C4ing, wallbanging, droning and whatsoever. It's not that an online shooter has ethics like in romantic wild west or middle age times where people agreed upon certain rules for their standoffs.
If following the "fair play" logic, it would be unfair to make murder holes, drone scout your opponents and whatever.

Attention, what you are saying is perfectly normal, all you say is what I personally consider a fair tactic.
My example is more directed to generally unfair behaviours abused by some players expecially in specific maps, for istance in the presidential plane map, a defender can exit the front entrance of the plane spawnkilling the attackers just the second they spawn, or in all the other maps, rarely I have seen a group of organized defenders literally rushing outside all togheter close to the attackers spawn, this time not spawnkilling but shooting in a CoD style rush.

In the first case, we could talk more like a map limitation/design error, but we can still call this a lack of fair play for that defenders who knows that weakness and simply abuse (he's preventing me to play the game, is not a tactic, is an unfair behaviour).
In the second case, is not important either if the attackers win or lose, but here the question is: what kind of game we are playing? Is R6 right? game mechanics recall a certain playstile, whit all the tactics you wanna use (shooting from an hole on the wall? no problem, we have breakable walls for that reason, same for c4, shooting from a window or going outside to deceive the attackers? no problem at all, even camping here is not an unfair strategy cause of the attacking/defending thing), but at least follow the tactic stye R6 is born for, if you simply wanna search for the kill, even not caring about the objective you have to defend, the gadgets you can use, quit the game, sell it and go buy CoD, Battlefield or CS:GO (with "you" im obliviously referring to noobish players, not to you).

The following example maybe fits better: let's say we are playing a racing simulation game like Gran Tursimo or F1-2015, you start to ram my car making me crash outside the track, trying to win using this "technique". Now this is clearly an unfair behaviour, and what I am saying is that if you wanna play this way, we can change game and go play Burnout or Mario Kart, or any game that is made to play that style and having fun this way.

Briefly with "unfair play" I mean all that behaviours that go too much far away for the style the game is designed for, or worst of all, everything that prevents me to play (spawnkill), R6 is all about tactics, for that reason we have different operators with various gadgets, defender have traps, protections, cameras, and teamwork is the key. They did not made the game this way if the intended playstyle was like everyone go rushing, is a shooter and if you can sprint and go outside as defender, this not means you have to run like an idiot, ruin the game to others, teammates too, and maybe ruining yours because you get killed the second after you tryed spawnkill/rush to spawnpoint in early match.

[Alucard4187]

I dont understand the Problem? Just complaining it is not fair? Yes it is fair. I dont want to wait inside to get slaughtered. The Best defence is offence. And pls dont come with the "if it is real, they would be sniped". If this GAME would be realstic, the attackes would NEVER dare to enter the building/plane/yacht. You know why? Because the terrorists would detoned the bombs/ kill the hostage/ release the poisen the Moment they where attacked.

If you cant handle defenders who shoot though Windows / go outside then by all means you either dont understand this game or you are just plain bad at this game or you dont want to leanr how to Counter this.

[Krizu.ecksdee]

The following example maybe fits better: let's say we are playing a racing simulation game like Gran Tursimo or F1-2015, you start to ram my car making me crash outside the track, trying to win using this "technique". Now this is clearly an unfair behaviour, and what I am saying is that if you wanna play this way, we can change game and go play Burnout or Mario Kart, or any game that is made to play that style and having fun this way.

Briefly with "unfair play" I mean all that behaviours that go too much far away for the style the game is designed for, or worst of all, everything that prevents me to play (spawnkill), R6 is all about tactics, for that reason we have different operators with various gadgets, defender have traps, protections, cameras, and teamwork is the key. They did not made the game this way if the intended playstyle was like everyone go rushing, is a shooter and if you can sprint and go outside as defender, this not means you have to run like an idiot, ruin the game to others, teammates too, and maybe ruining yours because you get killed the second after you tryed spawnkill/rush to spawnpoint in early match.

I guess we're almost on the same note here, but let's distinguish once again:

There are 2 scenarios possible:

- defenders are having a clear line of sight to the *exact* spawn points of some of the attackers, allowing them to spawnklill attackers at the same moment they spawn. This is bad spawn/map design and needs to be addressed by Ubi. Using this knowledge of the bad design can be considered glitching/bug abuse and should be punished for or at least seen as "unfair" imo. This is possible on several maps like Plane, Chalet and Kafe Dostojewsky afaik.

- defenders do *not* have a clear line of sight but use audio or camera intel to spot where the attackers are coming from. They then use this knowledge to slow down the attack or even kill attackers on their way to the objective. This is perfectly fine as it is within the lore of the game. I even love these situations as an attacker as it often gives free early kills as well it keeps me focused from the first seconds in the match.

[ActionMan00]

We are definely on the same note, that scenarios you quoted are normal ways to play, is oblivious that if I am defending and I got the chance to spot where the attackers spawn, I will aim to slow them and surprise them by sniping from windows, if I got the chance, or picking a spot to deceive them, is stupid to say that I have to stay still on a room even if I got the chance to start the shooting before they enter, is not what I meant tho.

I dont understand the Problem? Just complaining it is not fair? Yes it is fair. I dont want to wait inside to get slaughtered. The Best defence is offence. And pls dont come with the "if it is real, they would be sniped". If this GAME would be realstic, the attackes would NEVER dare to enter the building/plane/yacht. You know why? Because the terrorists would detoned the bombs/ kill the hostage/ release the poisen the Moment they where attacked.

If you cant handle defenders who shoot though Windows / go outside then by all means you either dont understand this game or you are just plain bad at this game or you dont want to leanr how to Counter this.

I think you did not understood anything I said, even if the second example was clear enough. Allright then, simply watch this video I found around, to get straight to the point:

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Now, after watching the defenders behaviour on that video, can you continue to say that there's no reason to complain about unfair play? So why a defending situation even exists if all the defenders simply does not care about their objectives? I don't care if as an attacker I win that match (as in the video), my complain is not about losing, is about the damn experience. Why some rusher ***gots have to ruin my gaming experience because they think they're playing a common fps? I bought R6 so I expect to play as intended in the game, this is not a matter of strategy or forcing the defenders to always do "schematic" stuff, absolutely not, is all for the gaming style.

Again: Im absolutely not complaining about the defenders who prefer to wander around the map, inside or outside trying to surprise the attackers, the problem is where there's a clear noob-rush situation, like the one shown in the video.
Then I ask: why you play Rainbow Six? Because is a game that involves to be generally tactic. If you wanna do like the guys on the video, go play CoD, simple enough