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# Thread: Dan's clue for 12/8 DLC | Forums

1. Originally Posted by toymachinesh Go to original post
No luck with "rome" or "roman" or "Rome", or "Roman"

2. Adding the straight cards and subtracting the sideways cards gives you 15 which is the devil card. Can't get any combo of devil to work as a password though. I thought I was on to something for a second.

3. all the cards are "face up"??

4. I'm on mobile so I can't try this:

What if the password is just the numbers of the cards in order? Or just te numbers altered in some way by the directionality of the cards?

Dan said we are over thinking it

5. Originally Posted by kidmeatball Go to original post
I'm on mobile so I can't try this:

What if the password is just the numbers of the cards in order? Or just te numbers altered in some way by the directionality of the cards?

Dan said we are over thinking it
I suck at these clues, but check in to see them, but here I think it is more to do with the numbers then the cards. I mean each number could just be a letter.

One of the cards has a 0 in it, but roman numerals do not have a 0,.

6. Converting the numbers to letters somehow makes sense, but what does the rotation have to do with it? It so happens that
- The Hanged Man is rotated left, is 12, and the 12th letter is L
- Moon is rotated right, is 18, and the 18th letter is R
- BUT The World is rotated right, is 21, and the 21st letter is U.

That seems like the wrong path.

Quick edit to add: I did try ROT13 on the numbers converted to letters. That didn't yield anything. Ooh! What if we ROT12 to the left, then 18 to the right... But then why 21 to the right at the end?

7. Originally Posted by Brick235 Go to original post
Adding the straight cards and subtracting the sideways cards gives you 15 which is the devil card. Can't get any combo of devil to work as a password though. I thought I was on to something for a second.
YOU ARE. You have uncovered the core mechanic, well done!

The thing the cards all have in common is that they are numbered. The sequence of cards is deliberate, and the ones that are horizontal are, like a subtraction sign itself, intended to be subtracted from the current total. So two steps forward, one step back? In the gaps between cards: plus, plus, minus, and repeat until you run out of cards.

14+4+7-12+16+8-18+0+17-21

8. Originally Posted by Brick235 Go to original post
Adding the straight cards and subtracting the sideways cards gives you 15 which is the devil card. Can't get any combo of devil to work as a password though. I thought I was on to something for a second.
YOU ARE. You have uncovered the core mechanic, well done!

The thing the cards all have in common is that they are numbered. The sequence of cards is deliberate, and the ones that are horizontal are, like a subtraction sign itself, intended to be subtracted from the current total. So two steps forward, one step back? In the gaps between cards: plus, plus, minus, and repeat until you run out of cards.

14+4+7-12+16+8-18+0+17-21

9. Perhaps the sideways cards indicate a break in the pattern of (numbers, words, fret notes)?
so we get

14 4 7
-- (12)
16 8
-- (18)
0 17
-- (21)

the last one seems to break my theory. The 0 doesn't seem to correspond to a letter (unless it's a space).
if it's a space, we get the letters/words:
NDGLPHR QU

Rot or other cipher on that?