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[k2nph]

Battery drain for me major issue, not had it before on any other update.
But battery will drain from FULL before ive used up my fuel, this certainly cant be right???
Please sort it or TF will have to be removed as battery monitor clearly shows TF draining, even when its not active.

[Fevves]

I don't allow location/GPS on my phone or even sign up to google/samsung accounts. I don't think even that would really help with security on my device. I should probably root it to be honest. My problem is not really knowing much about the tech side of things.

Just adding up that Android system, per se, has secret synchronization... add chrome and some other stuff too on top.

Problem with location permissions/receivers/etc is almost huge as you can disable all that Google let you to disable and your phone will be still ticking in the rhythm of their heartbeat... reporting is active and 4 to 6 loc. processes are still active.

Disabling 6 of google play services location receivers and taming the rest (of it) solves the issue, but this game is not starting if you do so... Why there's an undeclared permission about the location reporting and trials of usage is really beyond me!

And it should not be this way!

My phone is auto-switching LOC. once gps or maps based programs are active (set with Tasker), and nothing else should use my gps or location when I'm strictly telling it not do so.

[IFTHISTHENTHAT]

I just want to chime in here:

I uninstalled Trials Frontier months ago. It kept starting itself in the background even after multiple instances of killing it, a few seconds (or minutes) later, sure enough, it was running in the background again.

Say what you will about why that happens, but to me that is a breach of trust.

A lot of this stuff can be chalked up to not really understanding the relationship we have with companies. We (mostly) unknowingly live our lives as walking talking data-sets these days, and this data can be valuable. However, when there is an open discussion and friendly "back-and-forth" between the customers and the developers/publisher... you (the consumer) kind of expect the relationship to maintain itself in the demeanor in which it is presented. At least a business professional friendliness.

I could go on and on about how this is bad, and counter myself with not so bad.

Really I think we just want openness and honesty... and I suspect that's what we got from mattshotcha. Though I'm intrigued at what "personally identifiable" is defined as. It has to connect us, the user, to the targeted ads somehow right? Am I missing something? And I'm not as worried about you guys selling my data, as I am you giving or trading it away... couldn't you just say our data stays with you? Does it? And in this day and age, one hack and EVERYTHING including our info and your info on us is out there. Gahhhh. Or I just uninstall and improve other aspects of my real life. Trials Frontier was really fun, even for all the milking it tried to do, but I just couldn't.

I started gaming in the early eighties. 16 colors. Times were easier then. We used to have to type "WALK UPHILL BOTH WAYS"

I'm not saying gaming companies have evil intentions, but if this was a text based game and I typed "LOOK" the return would suggest the area seems spooky and mysterious.

So happy halloween i guess. I didn't want to show my age by rambling and losing my point, it just happens.

[Fevves]

I don't have a "relationship" with the "companies", I want to play the game without having the game itself accessing w/e data "company" wants - which is of no interest for the gameplay! The downfall tendency to "ask" (they're not asking anything here, btw) any kind of permission with justification of free to play stuff is obnoxious!

I'm still waiting on THE explanation on that missing location permissions requests statement as the game do collects location without any such stated permission - proof: the game does not start if you "kill" some non essential google play services location services (not all of them, just few of those so any other GPS based apk is working fine, even google maps...).

Sorry for the rant, but previous explanations are simply not good enough.

[yjgalla]

Location is definitely used for choice of ads (don't know if it's used for anything else). When I was in Hong Kong a few weeks ago the game started to give me ads in Chinese. Don't know how much sense that makes, however. I don't speak Chinese, wherever I might be.

PS: it might be that the game developers can't influence the "game does not start" behavior because mostly people use some 3rd party library for ads and these can't be changed.

[IFTHISTHENTHAT]

I don't have a "relationship" with the "companies"

You can't be serious.

[Fevves]

Yes I am, sue me for that. Company = provider. Me = User. There's no relationship, I want my service and that's it. I don't have to mingle or sustain some ars3 kissing for getting it (yep, wording is ok, so is intention).

I'm an old skool interweb user, not in diapers for 2 decades (almost).... so pardon my expressions, it's not aimed @you for sure.

What bollocks about loc. permissions used but never declared... I blocked adds receivers ,and still loc. is determining the start up of the game.... omg...

UBI/RL?

[woody7483]

^maybe semantics, but there is certainly a relationship, company and customer is a relationship. more importantly, i think you and the other poster are in agreement about what you want. you each feel this "relationship" is too closed off and you want more flow of feedback and openness b/w provider and consumer.

[Fevves]

Maybe is the word. It's not about me and IFTHISTHENTHAT, we both are frustrated about the same thing.

And it's still a no as I don't see the relationship when something is being enforced without transparency, or the real need. If they made some weird coding error by using the bland SDK, then hell, ok (not so)... attribute it to some odd conformance of NOT being a 1337 code master, but like this... it is rather funny (read: fugly).

You don't declare the permission to collect my location, ergo I revoke you that one. You declare it - I will think about it and revoke it either. In both cases, if it serves to prejudicate the starting up of the game, then it sucks greatly and you're playing dirty since you never declared it or needed it in the first place.

[xitooner]

Lets just say that the customer is looking for a specific set of things in their "relationship" with the game/company:
- easy access
- enjoyable, challenging gameplay
- prompt customer service

But the "company" has an entirely different "relationship" they want:
- frequent access (easy access is a part of that... but their business model WANTS frequent for advertising income no matter what)
- knowledge of their customers in-game usage/activity (whats popular, whats not working, etc.. good for this game and future game development)
- knowledge of their gamers habits/preferences

That last one used to be limited to in-game... but has expanded in recent years. That ever-expanding role of that one is really the kind of thing thats crossing the line for many people. Its now going BEYOND the game, and into areas that strictly speaking, the game company itself has dubious reasons to know.

Example: access to your browser info. Is not even clear that RL itself has a strong need for that for this specific game... but their business model does encourage them to use other companies (like TapJoy) to provide an in-game service.... and if TapJoy wants/requires more info like browser history or browser cookie access to provide their services or better focus their advertising, lets say... or geoLocation info to better focus on local adverts ... then RL is now encouraged (perhaps financially, etc) to provide it. Where will it stop... when they want more than geoLocation and browser info in the future... now that the door has been opened?

Does better advertising REALLY make your game more enjoyable to you? Perhaps some of you will say yes... but I doubt its really anything the players truly desired in their gaming relationship. RL will certainly put a positive spin on it; "we are serving you even better in this tiny way", etc.... and RL will give you some gems, etc as compensation which appears to incorporate it into the game itself... but really the gems cost RL nothing, and this is ALL about them and their financial needs.

(just my opinion)