View Poll Results: Would you like to see naval back?

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  • Yes

    4 30.77%
  • In a while

    1 7.69%
  • In the future with big changes

    6 46.15%
  • No, I have no soul, and even hated the sea shanties

    2 15.38%
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    Shahkulu101's Avatar Senior Member
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    Should Naval Return At Some Point?

    We all love naval.

    Well, at least most of us - and so did the critics. It was the redeeming quality of AC3 and Black Flag was lauded for it's refined mechanics and expansive open-world ocean exploration. It was seen as a refresher for the series, which had in some way stagnated in terms of new, game-changing ideas. But with two naval games in a row, Unity returned to the ways of classic AC. Which was to be expected, we can't have naval every year, but some were quite disappointed that it went back to being the vanilla Assassin's Creed game they had already gotten tired of. Which brings up an interesting point, I mean in a way naval was just a distraction from the poor and aging core mechanics of the series. AC4 was still fun, and the Assassin gameplay at the time was the best, but series old problems remained. Perhaps it would be better of the series to refine the core mechanics before delving back into what some may consider superfluous additions. In some way I see that as the best course of action, with the main pillars of the series being as bad as they are perhaps attention needs to be focused on them, on the other hand naval was AC doing what it does best - using history as it's playground to create entertaining and interesting gameplay. I don't think AC fundamentally needs to have 3 main mechanics and only 3 - at it's core AC is as much about stabbing and sneaking as it is exploring unique time periods to their fullest potential and if that includes so-called non-assassin-y mechanics so be it.

    So what's your opinion: more naval in future or have we had our fair share? In my view, we've had enough of naval for now, and in the next few titles I think it's important they refine the 3 pillars - and maybe bring naval back in a new way some time in the future. Returning to the 18th century and using the same naval mechanics again would feel like treading old ground. I'm sure you will all have better ideas than me, so feel free to make suggestions. In a skype chat forum member Alphacos suggested Roman longships. So more ideas along those lines would be cool.

    Let me know your thoughts.
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    Locopells's Avatar Moderator
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    I'd say yes, but not as the main gameplay focus. For example, say you were to explore Elizabethan England, you'd want to do Spanish Armada missions, maybe a bit of free roam in the English Channel, that sorta thing.
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    As already mentioned, I think it should return one day, as most people love it, but not so soon, and definitely not the same as it was in AC3/4. But if they ever happen to maek games in ancient times again, it would be really nice to see the Roman longships or maybe Viking Warships, or anything like that.
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    We have the system, so if it can be put as side content without losing main focus on the game: YES!
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    That said, I'm still waiting for them to team up with Disney and make a full blown PotC game...
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    It will return, just probably not in AC.

    Naval is a big thing Ubisoft have that people actually loved. They could do great things with it.
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    If it was to return that experience would have to be completely different to BF + Rogue. It was fun at first but got boring sooooooo quick. I hated it after a while & Rogue just made me hate it even more.

    So yeah i don't mind it returning as long as they make it super interesting.

    Btw something tells me that Ashraf & Darby will start a new Naval IP maybe next year?

    Reason being is because Darby had tweeted a picture last year of 2 books that he was using for research on a new game he was working on, the books were about Pirate history if i clearly remember.
    Also Ashraf has said he's been working on unannounced IP for a few years now but no one has any idea what it is.

    This is my theory anyway could be completely wrong.
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    Originally Posted by Shahkulu101 Go to original post
    Which brings up an interesting point, I mean in a way naval was just a distraction from the poor and aging core mechanics of the series. AC4 was still fun, and the Assassin gameplay at the time was the best, but series old problems remained. Perhaps it would be better of the series to refine the core mechanics before delving back into what some may consider superfluous additions.
    I am not sure, the AC core pillars are Parkour/Climbing/Social Stealth and also combat. I was comfortable with the mechanics, I just felt that they needed to have more creative mission design. Yeah the combat could use tougher enemies, and smarter AI and the terrain could be improved and modified, as they were in later games, but I don't think there needs to be a great deal of tweaking there. I certainly don't think there's like a need for a crouch button or any other such stupidities. I don't think it was so dire and so weak, that it's apparently some crisis issue.

    It's more important to have better missions, more interesting challenges, like say a Hard Mode or New Game Plus. That I think should be where it goes.

    So what's your opinion: more naval in future or have we had our fair share? In my view, we've had enough of naval for now, and in the next few titles I think it's important they refine the 3 pillars - and maybe bring naval back in a new way some time in the future. Returning to the 18th century and using the same naval mechanics again would feel like treading old ground. I'm sure you will all have better ideas than me, so feel free to make suggestions. In a skype chat forum member Alphacos suggested Roman longships. So more ideas along those lines would be cool.

    Let me know your thoughts.
    I have a feeling that Ubisoft is making a New Naval Only IP for Next-Gen. And I think that's what they should focus on.

    The kind of naval gameplay in AC3 and Black Flag is specific to a certain period in history. Roman Era or Viking Era won't give you battles on the same line, there won't really be canons, you might have catapults and ballistas I guess, and you will have arrows, but that's not really the same thing. You also won't have sea shanties either. If you go to a later area you will have Battleships/Submarines and Aircraft Carriers, not as intense and in-your-face.

    The main thing is that there are tons of different gameplay they could tackle. You know, why not return to the rural setting of AC3, make the weather more of a factor, like say managing heat, rain and other extremities, bring in woodcutting and try and expand mountain climbing. If you are going to make a game set in Ancient Egypt where the Heat and Sand is just aesthetic and not really a factor that characters have to tackle, then I don't know why make the game then. In Rogue, you have this paltry imaginging of an earthquake that's just sad, imagine if they resolved to try and put more effort into it.

    I mean AC3 had this amazing recreation of Battlefields and part of the game is essentially a decent re-imagining of 18th Century warfare. It's sad that they didn't build on that for Unity since that was the era of military innovation. But obviously that would have taken effort for an early game in Next-Gen. Right now Syndicate is patting itself on its back for pretending that carriages are a new thing when they have had it since AC2, only less realistic because horses can knock over lamp-posts and stuff for some reason.

    There's basically a lot for AC to do, they haven't even tackled say, 5% of their potential.
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    Originally Posted by Locopells Go to original post
    That said, I'm still waiting them to team up with Disney and make a full blown PotC game...
    I'm so in on this.
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    I loved naval too and wouldnt mind if it made a comeback.

    But of course, it shouldnt be forced so it's not a huge loss.
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