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    Quality bar/feature track

    Hi guys ,

    first off i know this maybe could go in the suggestion thread but i wanted to also open it up as a debate for others to share in , and the suggestion thread isnt one for debates or discussion.

    Quality Bar -

    I know in evo there was some sort of rating system on custom created tracks like a quality control for , theme , decor , dl and so froth. Now this i feel would be great in fusion track central too. Im not too bothered if this would make a difference to the actually rating of the track. It could just be used to give an indication to people of the quality of the track. Likes and dislikes dont give a true reflection on the effort that the builder has gone to making the tracks or to be honest the true quality. Maybe there could be an indication bar that shows a percentage of the actual design of the track but has no imput on where it actually places in the tc feed so the current system could still be kept. I see far too may tracks in the feeds at the top only to download them , wait , and be faced with a naked editor and a few floating ramps , while tracks that have a theme , decor , and and an ok line are well below them because these tracks are being rated by children and unskilled judges. Which i find terrible towards people who actually try to build a proper track. We all know the ones im talking about and some i agree have a fantastic dl and deserve to be there because of that alone but some much more than some are only at the top because of a faulty system or use no dlc which obviously gains the likes and downloads more. This also goes for alot of extremes and also has tipped the balance in all time tracks which i find is a very unfair thing to do to creators who want to try and make quality tracks. This wouldn't have to actually change that but this i feel would give the ones below these tracks that have had time spent on them some type of measure or some level of feedback from players and the actual game it self. This also leave it up to the gamer to choose his self in which way he goes about tc , they could go by the dislikes or by the quality bar so to speak and wouldnt have to sive throgh the see of " errmmmm " whats the word.

    Im also going to say that something needs to be done about extremes that are built with hardly any care , this is cool and if thats what they want to do then by all means they should , but at the same time they shouldn't be on the top rows of the feeds just because they cant be correctly judged by the majority of tc. Where a normal track will be judged by 500 people who can pass it , only say 200 will pass an extreme thus not giving it the chance to gain many disslikes. Hardly anyone will dislike an extreme if they have managed to pass it purely out of the euphoria of actually passing it and wont actually have anthing to do with the quality of the track.Implementing the above would leave alot of extreme on a low score , maybe giving them a kick up the backside to improve the design of the track. Then warranting its place it holds above others that have been built over days instead of hours. The game says it wants creators to progress and build better and bigger , improving all the time. This impression is not given in the tc feeds , the weekly feed at the moment recommends you slap some extreme together in a matter of hours , use the editor as your back ground and add a few potted plants and this is what will gain you access to the to lines in the weekly feed. Ok there is always the ones that are easily passable also there but the makority of these have a theme and decor and stand true to what a quality track should have to be in them places. So many track dont , maybe this is because of the way the scoring system is or maybe it isnt , i tend to think it is but i guess this is the system so thats what we go to go with. But implementing another guide so to speak will give all tracks something back for trying to better your building , or trying to provide the game with an actuall decent track instead of tat.

    Feature for quality tracks -

    I know we already have a featured feed for builders and that they sometimes give a little bit of advice well this is similar to that but more singled down to one track. I was thinking that maybe weekly or monthly , the most liked track in tc that week or month could have a write up or a slot for the builder to explain his build in more detail. explain how they came about the idea , what problems they had and so on. I feel this would be a really good touch to tc and the forum or whatever. Now there is the dashboard this would be cool in there too. Once a month the highest rated track and so forth gets a slot for a short while a few days , where they can open up thier track to everyone and explain what they tried to achieve. I guess this would mean that something would have to be done about the tracks that i have spoke about above , then again it could just be picked or better still voted on by the gamers. the latter i think would bring more imput from people. This would also aid in giving builders something back then just waiting to get recommended which is very hard as we all know.

    Anyway i just wanted to share this with you guys , been thinking about this for ages and i know this has been spoke of before , but they aren't going to change the scoring system now but they maybe could still add the above to the system as a completely none rating side but purely for our own enjoyment. I really dont get some of the stuff that sits at the top of tc or in the all time favs lists , when a big percentage of it and on a quality term , should most deffo not be there but being that it is it should be graded for what it is.

    cheers
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    Hey funk, Extremes and Ninja tracks have been in the highest rated since there was a Highest Rated in Evo. It's kind of the nature of the beast. In Evo people spent a lot of time playing a track, finally beating it, and rated the tracks far higher than most people would think it should be rated.

    In Fusion all they have to do is "Like" the track, which is a bit more subjective. I mean, you could like fried okra and I don't. That doesn't make either of us wrong, it just means that we are human and like different things. The simple truth is that the people who are finishing a track have a high proportion of Likes vs Dislikes. It doesn't show that the system is broken, it shows that it works.

    I agree with you about the quality of tracks that get into the highest rated, though. Some of them don't seem to have much effort put into things like the background, or details... but maybe the players who like them don't care about that. Maybe they only care about a good challenging driving line, and these tracks give that to them.
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    Cheers for the imput dude i guess your right about the nature of the beast , i guess i see it in black and white to a point. Its too easy for a novice/ new player to complete a track from the hard section and find problems with it enough to dislike it and the difference in balance of thumbs up or down is massive. Black and white tell me that because they are novices or newish to the game they cant actually give a skilled judgement on a track so any judgement at all is an in correct one unless they play a track from the easy or beginner section. This is why i see alot of builders forced in to a style that allows almost all skill levels to actually pass the tracks they make. I know in the career mode you have to unlock bikes at levels and they should be able to play hard tracks from completion of the game. Yet this i find forces a builder to choose a pattern in thier tracks the same as the career mode. I guess this can be self managed to a degree by just allowing the viper to be used but still , should the judgement be in the hands of players who aren't really at the skill level or does a builder make all his track passable to all but just using time as the comptetative skill level.

    I know i say it may be broke but it obviously not , as a lot of thought i would imagine has gone into the system and that but i think it maybe only be suited to one certain building style. builders can build a smooth flowy run and it will do well and the system will work great but make a technical track or one that has an harder line then the system i think starts to change and people start to dislike the track simply because of thier own skill level. This is were i think another way of rating the track , even if its not linked in the rating , it would be cool to say ! right the dl is pants so i will dislike it but on the other hand i like the decor and so forth. These track could then yesstill rate low but still have a high bar rating for other things which could possibly help builder to identify thier faults. People just dont give any feedback , not much anyway and half the time are left dumb founded when thier tracks are low rated. Having this would then let them know how to learn from thier tracks and progression in builders would be quikcer and better for all.

    Overall with any system , theres never going to be a great perfect way to score things , not even sure how it all works with the downloads and like or dislikes. Boggles my mind all the percentage and math

    @magimix200

    thanx for the compliment dude and yes im the same , it has to be something really bad to get me to dislike it. To be honest i have disliked far more highly rated builders tracks more than i have newer builders. Reason being is when you know its from a qaulity builder you tend to expect quality and even the littlest of bad things can seem much more worse. Like well hes a better builder then that , he should no better sort of thing lol . Then again even those end up getting changed after playing it again.

    When it comes down to it guys , its all about enjoyment i guess. For whatever reason the like or dislike it , i suppose the system is true to that. maybe bring down the force of the dislike tho hahaha hurts the head

    Cheers for the replys guys
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