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    I can already hear the 1st set of posts: We know nothing at this point as to the final complement of flyable aircraft... I know - hence the throw in of the word 'hypothetical'. Still, I just have to know why a good percentage of people would rather not have a flyable Superfortress in PF. Many posts refer to the desire to have more medium bombers rather than heavies. Just curious.

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    I can already hear the 1st set of posts: We know nothing at this point as to the final complement of flyable aircraft... I know - hence the throw in of the word 'hypothetical'. Still, I just have to know why a good percentage of people would rather not have a flyable Superfortress in PF. Many posts refer to the desire to have more medium bombers rather than heavies. Just curious.

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    I'll take a crack at it, there are a lot of reasons (though I'd love to see the inside of an flyable one (been on the walk-through of "FIFI" though---next time i pay for the hop <G&gt).

    1. The B-29 is a late war plane, and by the time it's in game, the war is nearly over.

    2. Many of the interesting (from a player standpoint) missions of the war were fought by medium bombers...

    3. importantly, many of these interesting missions were flown by mediums ON BOTH SIDES (since the japanese lacked heavy bombers---a balance issue).

    4. During the most interesting period of the war in the PTO from the standpoint of evenly match sides for gameplay, medium bombers, with the odd B-17 raid thrown in, dominated.

    I think that's the top reasons. Regardless, I'm all for a flyable B-29 <BEG>

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    Most people do not know of the deployment in China. Maybe if they knew of this there would be less complains.
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    id like a flyable B29

    a hell of a lot of work

    but the B29 is the heaviest of the heavy

    having all all the positions filled on that plane and getting them home again ..... too much fun

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    would you guys be ok with just having the pilot and bombadiers postion made and the gunners be AI?
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sakai9745:
    I can already hear the 1st set of posts: We know nothing at this point as to the final complement of flyable aircraft... I know - hence the throw in of the word 'hypothetical'. Still, I just have to know why a good percentage of people would rather not have a flyable Superfortress in PF.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    My main objection would be workload.

    At the current level of quality a flyable B-29 would equal at least two flyable medium or light bombers, a at least three to four flyable fighters.

    Since the reasons to bomb strategic targets are very limited in this game it makes the B-29 more of a target class a/c than anything else. Multi-player its even an a/c that might be abused as the ultimate flying AAA station (what we in Warbirds called "Death Stars").

    So my main objection would not be against the plane itself, but the resources it will take and the somewhat limited use once available.

    Note that we will (probably) not have the kind of map that would justify the use of these super fortresses, the scale would be like nothing we've seen before in the current series, and I somehow doubt its is doable at scale. Of course you can operate at any range on any target, but that would be "gaming the game".

    Again, nothing against the plane, more a concern about the cost and final yield.


    Ruy Horta

    PS. about the model shown, I personally wasn't that impressed, the poly count being high because of the size of a/c and its many parts, but at a more detailed level its quite "blocky", the engine detail etc. Sure at a distance it looks great, but certainly not superior to what we have today in FB.

    You might even consider upping the size of skin for these birds, 1024x1024 might not be enough for good detail.

    [This message was edited by rhorta on Sat June 19 2004 at 12:35 AM.]
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by owlwatcher:
    Most people do not know of the deployment in China. Maybe if they knew of this there would be less complains.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I was originally stationed in India in B-29s. I made several hump trips to China to leave gas there for staging missions out of China.

    B29's flew missions as far North as Mukden; as far South as Singapore and also bombed the Yawata steel works in Japan before any of the Mariannas islands were available.
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    Tater-SW

    Said

    "1. The B-29 is a late war plane, and by the time it's in game, the war is nearly over."

    Not really.

    The war in the Pacific for the US started 7 Dec 1941 & the first B-29 arrived in the Pacific on 2 Apr 1944 a month BEFORE D-Day.

    The war ended on 14 Aug 1945 with the formal surrender taking place on 2 Sep 1945. On 28 Aug 1945 American troops began a mass and unopposed landing of Japan, occupying all strategic centers. The first landing was at Atsugi Air Base - near Yokohama. Many of the forces landing were paratroopers from the air.

    The headquarters of the XX Bomber Command was established at Kharagpur, India on March 28, 1944 under the command of General Wolfe.

    The first action by the B-29 took place on April 26, 1944. Major Charles Hansen was flying a load of fuel to China when his plane was attacked by six Ki 43 Hayabusa fighters. The attack was beaten off, but one crew member was injured.

    The first B-29 bombing raid took place on June 5, 1944. Led by General Saunders, 98 B-29s took off from bases in eastern India to attack the Makasan railroad yards at Bangkok, Thailand.

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    [This message was edited by reisen52 on Sat June 19 2004 at 01:33 AM.]
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
    id like a flyable B29

    a hell of a lot of work

    but the B29 is the heaviest of the heavy

    having all all the positions filled on that plane and getting them home again ..... too much fun

    QUOTE]

    I'm pretty much here with the workload. Could be nightmarish, but herein lies the challenge. Much as with previous B-17 sims, it's pretty satisfying to accomplish a mission with a heavy. And it is so much the heavy of the WW2 heavies!

    Getting unbiased here (and REALLY trying), I can imagine that resources to pull her off might be prohibitive. Not a developer here, but I can easily see one 29 taking the place of multiple other aircraft. And even if the 29 did make the cut as a flyable machine, it would be a safe bet that missions would be WAY scaled back distance-wise.

    If it would save a few important additions, or if uber-defenses are the concern as per rhorta's post, I personally would entertain xTHRUDx's suggestion of having pilot & bombardiers only positions if I could have a sim that would allow us Superfort-fans the opportunity to fly her and bomb with her. I don't remember any other sim that allowed for this luxury, at least not in the detail that PF will can provide.

    ***Disclaimer: I said I'd would be willing to entertain the notion, but I (and I'm certain there are others) wouldn't be entirely thrilled with it. I'm with Badsight on the all-access pass to all stations... especially the ones with the remotely controlled .50 cal turrets ***

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