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  1. #11
    Ok, you're a bit too aggressive but deserve an answer anyway
    1) I agree with you on playing for the flag, but if you start Rakshasa as Dead1y-derri explained, you need to take the tower only to approach to the post. Otherwise you would be hunted on your way to the flag and killed way before
    2) Other cases where you might need the flag it's if somebody is sniping from far (or sistematically shooting the mortar), especially if supported by one or other players, they would notice you while approaching and leave you any possibility to eliminate him/them. One sniper in a good position could be enough to resist a full team of rakshasa (since they probably wouldn't come all together but as usually one by one).
    3) The fact is in this game nobody will really try to work in real cooperation, so it's useless to say as you do "send 1 to the tower"... they do whatever they want, the most you can do, which is what I do, is check if somebody else is going to the tower at the start of the match and if it's so I stop and spend a few seconds before the deactivation by harvesting a few leaves that I will need later. If the tower it's not going to be deactivated I often use a yellow leave and become invisible from far. But even like this, sometimes I get killed by a long distance GP walker, who saw my position on the mini map...
    4) I read you short story with screenshots You really made my day! :-D I can understand your frustration since I often experience similar... When you play with the wrong group of people the match is gone ... No way
    5) Unless you play with PS3 we never met before... And btw I play from Italy so our playing times would have been quite different...
    6) Last one, the most important, my advice: don't take it too seriously! I feel your enjoyment is somehow too much disturbed from other people playing style... It's a game, you would be supposed to have fun!!!!

    Peace
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  2. #12
    Originally Posted by cichenlup Go to original post
    Ok, you're a bit too aggressive but deserve an answer anyway
    It's aggresive as in 2+2 is aggressively 4. You are too passive if you can't hang with fights for the flag.

    Originally Posted by cichenlup Go to original post
    1) I agree with you on playing for the flag, but if you start Rakshasa as Dead1y-derri explained, you need to take the tower only to approach to the post. Otherwise you would be hunted on your way to the flag and killed way before
    This is 100% not true. If the full team of Rashasa go to the flag you are looking at probably 5 vs 1 or 5 vs 2. I get to the flag over 90% of the time solo.

    Originally Posted by cichenlup Go to original post
    2) Other cases where you might need the flag it's if somebody is sniping from far (or sistematically shooting the mortar), especially if supported by one or other players, they would notice you while approaching and leave you any possibility to eliminate him/them. One sniper in a good position could be enough to resist a full team of rakshasa (since they probably wouldn't come all together but as usually one by one).
    Even if somebody is sniping, you die once... and you know at least approximately where he/she is. Respawn and take that sniper out, then get your tail back to the flag. Nothing to do with the bell tower. If they are sniping FROM the bell tower... same thing. Go take out the sniper and back to the flag. Don't even waste time with the switch. If the sniper gets two at the same time, you can both go get the sniper immediately then back to the flag. Back to CAPTURE THE FLAG.. you know.. the OBJECTIVE OF A CAPTURE THE FLAG GAME. CTF. CAPTURE THE FLAG.

    Originally Posted by cichenlup Go to original post
    3) The fact is in this game nobody will really try to work in real cooperation, so it's useless to say as you do "send 1 to the tower"... they do whatever they want, the most you can do, which is what I do, is check if somebody else is going to the tower at the start of the match and if it's so I stop and spend a few seconds before the deactivation by harvesting a few leaves that I will need later. If the tower it's not going to be deactivated I often use a yellow leave and become invisible from far. But even like this, sometimes I get killed by a long distance GP walker, who saw my position on the mini map...
    This is absolutely fail on Ubisoft's part for not giving a higher chance to communicate on a team. People just don't talk. The ones that do really are not coordinating they are begging for help AT THE BELL TOWER. Weak x 2. You don't need the bell tower and you have to listen to them guide scrubs on your team away from the objective. Those games I will be the ONLY one scoring on my team. I have a lot of screenshots, don't bother doubting me.

    Meanwhile say you flip the switch. Success. You gonna stay there and defend it? Or is it gonna be flipped by Golden Path again as soon as you walk away. This is the problem. I do not know of one person on earth who cares about your frag count. I surely do not care if you have 100 or 1 or anything. Goal is Victory at the end. Defeat just means your team got beat down on reflexes, tactics, coordination, skills, etc. Or blame your ping. Some people do blink around and it's an issue but I can adjust to a no-legs-moving blinker pretty well if I have at least one other good person on my team at the flag.

    Originally Posted by cichenlup Go to original post
    4) I read you short story with screenshots You really made my day! :-D I can understand your frustration since I often experience similar... When you play with the wrong group of people the match is gone ... No way
    Yep this is really lame. Doubly so because utmost compatible USB headsets won't work with Ubisofts code yet. Mine won't. I have several. But they work on every single other software AND device I own.. and it's quite a lot. I'm glad you enjoyed my effort to make the game more fun. I wish people would play capture the flag not capture the bell tower. There are some actual gamers for sure. Some of these guys are what I'd call pretty good. Some are just single player thinkers trying to accrue frags for some imaginary fantasy status that nobody will ever ever care about. Not a single person on Earth will say OH WOW you lost but damn son look you got most frags on the losing team. Nice one.

    Originally Posted by cichenlup Go to original post
    5) Unless you play with PS3 we never met before... And btw I play from Italy so our playing times would have been quite different...
    Ya I thought about it later, there's another player with a name almost like yours. I think its cacojr or something like that. Maybe I saw your name in forums so it looked familiar.

    Originally Posted by cichenlup Go to original post
    6) Last one, the most important, my advice: don't take it too seriously! I feel your enjoyment is somehow too much disturbed from other people playing style... It's a game, you would be supposed to have fun!!!!
    It is a game of win/lose. In any game you are not playing just to show face or be present. You are trying to win. If you were playing chess and your opponent never made a second move they just spun a piece on the table like a top... or you were playing baseball and every time somebody got on base they just kinda did jumping jacks and maybe some stretching when the next person got a hit instead of running to second base... or if you were playing soccer and you were trying to score by knocking the ball into the goal... but everybody else just kinda got the ball and bounced it on their knee a few times before immediately having it stolen... multiplayer in Far Cry is a team game. If you are golfing go ahead throw your clubs just hit a bucket of balls no problem. When you are playing with other people trying to win a game you help your team win. This is the nature of common courtesy. This game is Capture The Flag. Some do get it, many do not. You maybe should propose to them to not take the bell tower so seriously or being top kills or XP on the losing team with 0 points so seriously.

    gnomesayin.


    I played a couple hours tonight too.. guess what no surprises. Exactly as I described above. A couple games were good, most were stupid bell tower battles for who gets to zero first.

    These two screens below were the last game I played tonight... notice the usual suspects' high frags on the losing team? Notice how I'm at the flag at end of round with high score? I have probably 10 extra suicide deaths here because it was ridiculous to even play at the beginning. Zero people on my team went to the flag besides me. Then one person showed up with a brain. Player name: Shadeblind. He was with me at the flag quite a bit so we were able to win. Just 2 smart Rakshasa and you wipe all the high frag easy pickins scrub snipers in the bell tower. See the same high frags on the losing team? We still won though but it was a lot more effort than it should have been. The problem is it is almost always like this... and the simplest things like telling your team "hey, only 1 person defending flag" or "hey, sniper on roof" or "hey, two guys upstairs in the building by the flag" etc... those things are not possible because HEY NO MIC. NO COMMS. This game went back decades with in-game communications. Straight up nope. Can't say a word. None of my mics work with it. Obvious sign language like <top scorer on your team is suiciding 20 times> doesn't register to many people playing this game. If I saw it and the scenario I would instantly think he needs help at the flag. But not scrubs. They won't even think of it. It would interfere with easy killins at the bell tower and their precious frag counts.

    The entire defense of the flag in this game screenshotted below was primarily me because Shadeblind came in the second round. If one person had been there to get me back up in the first round we would probably have held them at 0 points. This is a daily scenario. w/e ... step up the game have fun but help your team win or gtfo its a team game not role playing for high numbers on a scoreboard. Victory or Defeat.

    Shooting unskilled players from a bell tower that you see coming in on a minimap and ending up losing 100-0 is not a Victory. It means you suck whether you believe it or not because you lose... but maybe just maybe you can pick off a lot of people if you have extreme minimap or invisibility advantage right? Those are not mutiplayer CTF gamers.





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  3. #13

    I agree that Bell Tower is not so important

    Dear snagglerake, I agree with you at 100%! I want to show you my statistics:
    Golden Path: Kills 1.853 / Deaths 1.429 (Ratio: 1,29)

    [IMG]D:\Documenti\Desktop\Golden.jpg[/IMG]


    Rakshasa: Kills 1.138 / Deaths 2.655 (Ratio: 0,42)

    [IMG]D:\Documenti\Desktop\Rakshasa.jpg[/IMG]


    This just to show that when I play with “Rakshasa” I am not particularly weak but it’s because I always try to go in the circle of the flag, consciousness that I will die of 100%, and in fact the statistics bear this out.
    As you wrote, many times we won at 100% without controlling the Bell Tower, but when all your team will go to the Bell Tower, and you will be the only one to go to the flag, you will die very quickly and probably even before to arrive even near to the circle.
    And when I read your post of last 19th April, with all those screenshots, it reminds me all the games where I played where I was the only one to sacrifice and to go to die to conquer the flag. So now I decided to change strategy because I am tired to sacrifice for other people that are not interested in the team but they play only for themselves (they even don’t help you to revive if you are died and they are very near, because they fear to be killed themselves!!!), and when I play a game where I see that I arrive (and die) for two or three consecutive way to the flag without that no one else of my team have tried to keep it, I leave the game and I left them to play alone.

    Anyway in my opinion, the main problem, is the way to score points, to reward the killings and penalize deaths, especially in the overall standings, so no one wants to sacrifice himself for not to “spoil” their statistics. In my opinion when you play on Golden Path side, this way to score points is correct, but when you play on Rakshasa side, they should higher rewards the time that everyone stay in the circle of the flag (and very much more points if you revive a comrade) and to give less point for the killing, and in the overall standing, they should show only the points that you have achieved and not the total number of killings and deaths in this way everyone probably would play in a different way.
    Do you agree with me?


    PS How could you add the imagine? I cannot add the screenshots
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  4. #14
    Originally Posted by Linus_972 Go to original post
    [IMG]D:\Documenti\Desktop\Golden.jpg[/IMG]

    PS How could you add the imagine? I cannot add the screenshots
    You tried adding images that are located on your local hard drive. You need to first upload them to a image hosting service (like imgur.com) and then include the images URL to your post.
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    D:\Documenti\Desktop\Rakshasa.jpg... sei italiano vero?

    Devi caricare le immagini su un sito come http://it.tinypic.com/ e poi usare i link per condividerle.
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  6. #16
    Originally Posted by Patu Go to original post
    You tried adding images that are located on your local hard drive. You need to first upload them to a image hosting service (like imgur.com) and then include the images URL to your post.
    Thank you very much!!!
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  7. #17
    Originally Posted by xRaDRoacHx Go to original post
    D:\Documenti\Desktop\Rakshasa.jpg... sei italiano vero?

    Devi caricare le immagini su un sito come http://it.tinypic.com/ e poi usare i link per condividerle.


    Si sono Italiano
    Ti ringrazio per l'aiuto, infatti non capivo
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  8. #18
    Originally Posted by Linus_972 Go to original post
    Dear snagglerake, I agree with you at 100%! I want to show you my statistics:
    Golden Path: Kills 1.853 / Deaths 1.429 (Ratio: 1,29)

    [IMG]D:\Documenti\Desktop\Golden.jpg[/IMG]


    Rakshasa: Kills 1.138 / Deaths 2.655 (Ratio: 0,42)

    [IMG]D:\Documenti\Desktop\Rakshasa.jpg[/IMG]


    This just to show that when I play with “Rakshasa” I am not particularly weak but it’s because I always try to go in the circle of the flag, consciousness that I will die of 100%, and in fact the statistics bear this out.
    As you wrote, many times we won at 100% without controlling the Bell Tower, but when all your team will go to the Bell Tower, and you will be the only one to go to the flag, you will die very quickly and probably even before to arrive even near to the circle.
    And when I read your post of last 19th April, with all those screenshots, it reminds me all the games where I played where I was the only one to sacrifice and to go to die to conquer the flag. So now I decided to change strategy because I am tired to sacrifice for other people that are not interested in the team but they play only for themselves (they even don’t help you to revive if you are died and they are very near, because they fear to be killed themselves!!!), and when I play a game where I see that I arrive (and die) for two or three consecutive way to the flag without that no one else of my team have tried to keep it, I leave the game and I left them to play alone.

    Anyway in my opinion, the main problem, is the way to score points, to reward the killings and penalize deaths, especially in the overall standings, so no one wants to sacrifice himself for not to “spoil” their statistics. In my opinion when you play on Golden Path side, this way to score points is correct, but when you play on Rakshasa side, they should higher rewards the time that everyone stay in the circle of the flag (and very much more points if you revive a comrade) and to give less point for the killing, and in the overall standing, they should show only the points that you have achieved and not the total number of killings and deaths in this way everyone probably would play in a different way.
    Do you agree with me?


    PS How could you add the imagine? I cannot add the screenshots
    Nah the scoring is fine. People just suck. I haven't played in 3 months because it was too ridiculous. All my posts are the same thing, bell tower scrubs. They ruin the game.

    So I thought I'd be rusty, I logged into the first game of three I played. It was already 100-0, my team was hopeless. Top player when I logged in was 0 kills 10 deaths.

    Second game was Frost, i thought OK let's do this. 2 regulars still playing. Still sucking. It was 2-0 after first round. Second round it was all me muscling to the flag and ended 7-2. I got us the win. I had high frag and XP as well. This is exactly how it was when I stopped playing. I thought I'd be rustier but I wasn't.

    Third game... ok I set some mines, I got ready to defend. I killed a couple rakshasa, then one of the two regulars got me. His toon's legs didn't even move in any of the games. 100% lag on his end. (wiz-ikaro or how ever he spelled it.) So I get in a jeep ready to go defend, one of our players drops. The only one helping me at the flag. He comes back. They were scoring. What did my whole team do? Set up perimeter and watched the score get over 75% trying to snipe. I was still top of my team. I did a couple suicides at spawn, trying to signal to defend. Then I plugged in a mic and said wtf how stupid are you? Then I left.

    For whatever reason, people can't comprehend the concept of CTF any more. At least people with this game. To introduce a bell tower *blows their minds*. Like now oh wow it's a bell tower contest for frags. No. It's still CTF.

    I cut out. 3 games and I don't know. It just makes me shake my head how people are so stupid. I took screens but it's a waste of time.

    I wanted to play. I wanted it to be fun. It is the same old weak. Maybe I try again in 3 months I don't know. I have many other games. This came with my graphics card. I wouldn't have bought it. I gave up on Ubisoft when Far Cry 1 sucked. It was how they handled patches back then. Even this version had day 1 headaches but yeah. This is fun like 25% of the time I guess. If actual intelligent gamers are on, it's good.
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