Any chance for ninja tracks to get X-platformed ? | Forums

[RetiredRonin]

Speculation is always fun, but I wouldn't expect a full-blown Ninja category in the career mode using the Ninja versions of the extremes with full leaderboards and all the trimmings. Having those tracks effect the Single Player mode would cause a lot of rage from the Other-than-Ninja community. Let's face it, I'm well into the top 100 on PS4 and I can only get to/finish 3 of those tracks. 99% of players can't even brute force their way to completion on the majority of them (and I have no problem admitting my limits).

There are a lot of people who swear that Inferno is impossible. Not just really freaking difficult, but straight up impossible. These are also people who infer that all of you who have finished Extremes are in fact "replay bots" that have been programmed so that nobody can ever "win" at the game.

[IImayneII]

Speculation is always fun, but I wouldn't expect a full-blown Ninja category in the career mode using the Ninja versions of the extremes with full leaderboards

I don't get this to be honest. If you take the time to make ninja tracks within the game, why not implement them so people can compete on them/access them more easily? They could have been a special bonus you unlock when finishing all extremes within a plat or gold time. Like you say, people already claim tracks like inferno are impossible, but you don't exclude extreme tracks because people think that, so why should it be different with ninja's? If people can plat extremes, why not give them the extra challenge with "ninja's" in a way they can actually compete on them. It's just a wasted opportunity.

I don't see how they would affect single player unless you make a system that affects it. You can easily avoid that in a better way than what is used now. It's like saying "we won't implement challenges because they would affect single player" when you choose how you implement them in the first place.

And if you hold on your tought of "they are too hard for most people, so they shouldn't be in single player." Then why is there not even a 'ninja' tag for TC? RL knows people make ninja's, RL knows they upload them as extremes, RL knows people that play extremes on TC have no idea to know wether it's really an extreme or just another ninja that is "'impossible"' for them. It makes no sense to try to seperate them from the main game when on TC extremes and ninja's are basically interwoven. That plus the fact the community has been asking for a tag since evolution.

Things like this blow my mind to be honest.

[RetiredRonin]

And if you hold on your tought of "they are too hard for most people, so they shouldn't be in single player." Then why is there not even a 'ninja' tag for TC? RL knows people make ninja's, RL knows they upload them as extremes, RL knows people that play extremes on TC have no idea to know wether it's really an extreme or just another ninja that is "'impossible"' for them. It makes no sense to try to seperate them from the main game when on TC extremes and ninja's are basically interwoven. That plus the fact the community has been asking for a tag since evolution.

Things like this blow my mind to be honest.

There is a ninja tag in TC. If you are on PS4, highlight a track and press square.

[IImayneII]

My bad, I meant -feed- instead of -tag-

The tag barely does anything (you can't even make a search based on tags), and even with the tag, ninja's are still in the extreme feed, where they don't belong since clearly it's not the same difficulty. Even if RL doesn't support the ninja difficulty officially, it is known alot of people builds ninja's who end up in the extreme feed. Since it is clear that this difficulty exceeds anything ingame but end up in an extreme feed, why is it so hard to seperate this and add a ninja feed? For all I care you can call it "unofficial difficulty" if that helps. Now, people have to guess what is extreme, what is a ninja for the most part in the extreme feed. Not to mention all the useless 1cp ninja uploads. It's like having extreme tracks in the hard feed with an "extreme" tag slapped onto. It just doesn't make sense.

On one hand, RL doesn't want ninja's in SP because 'they are too hard', but on the other hand nobody cares that the extreme feed is riddled with ninja difficulty on TC. When just adding one feed solves this problem easily. If someone can explain to me how this makes sense, because I sure can't find any logic in this reasoning.

[RetiredRonin]

My bad, I meant -feed- instead of -tag-

The tag barely does anything (you can't even make a search based on tags), and even with the tag, ninja's are still in the extreme feed, where they don't belong since clearly it's not the same difficulty. Even if RL doesn't support the ninja difficulty officially, it is known alot of people builds ninja's who end up in the extreme feed. Since it is clear that this difficulty exceeds anything ingame but end up in an extreme feed, why is it so hard to seperate this and add a ninja feed? For all I care you can call it "unofficial difficulty" if that helps. Now, people have to guess what is extreme, what is a ninja for the most part in the extreme feed. Not to mention all the useless 1cp ninja uploads. It's like having extreme tracks in the hard feed with an "extreme" tag slapped onto. It just doesn't make sense.

On one hand, RL doesn't want ninja's in SP because 'they are too hard', but on the other hand nobody cares that the extreme feed is riddled with ninja difficulty on TC. When just adding one feed solves this problem easily. If someone can explain to me how this makes sense, because I sure can't find any logic in this reasoning.

I posted this yesterday.

We at RedLynx absolutely acknowledge the Ninja difficulty for what it is. It's an additional difficulty level pioneered by the community to showcase tracks and skills that are well advanced of that of most Trials players. The Ninja community are some diehard players who have spent the controller time to have nearly mastered all aspects of the bikes and know how to get the bike to do what they want.

While we do not list Ninja tracks in difficulty levels, nor are there dedicated Ninja tracks in the game, the inclusion of Ninja versions of the extreme tracks are our acknowledgement, in game, of this group of highly dedicated players.

We have plans in regards to Ninja tracks, but that's really all that can currently be said on the subject.

[IImayneII]

Ok thanks. Must have missed that, but didn't really want to discuss the topic, more just post my toughts about why it's only a logical evolution that has no drawbacks as far as I know.


I don't get the secrecy regarding some things tough. If the game wasn't yet released, sure I would get it, but the game is out and nobody is allowed to know anything, ever, until the last moment? Even if some players could potentially give good feedback on things that are planned... but that's a whole other discussion I won't go into. It's just a weird approach in my opinion.

[RetiredRonin]

There have been a few things that we have stated we can't talk about. Usually it has to do with DLC, but sometimes it has to do with features that are being worked on that we're never really in the original plan. While we would like to say "this this and his are coming on this day" the simple truth is that sometimes the plans change, and we don't like announcing new features unless we're sure that they are going to be included.

We don't want to make promises when we aren't sure they can be kept, and that's how all of us would see it if we announced something that wasn't delivered. a lot of what is being worked on is already based on community feedback and suggestions.

[Camzarcar]

You can only finish 3 of the ninja tracks because you're not the best at trials, no offence. But yeah, the secret ninja tracks should at least be available in TC.

[Stego111]

He literally said he has no problem admitting his limits lol. Most people who play the game can't even finish one.

[xzamplez]

Speculation is always fun, but I wouldn't expect a full-blown Ninja category in the career mode using the Ninja versions of the extremes with full leaderboards and all the trimmings. Having those tracks effect the Single Player mode would cause a lot of rage from the Other-than-Ninja community. Let's face it, I'm well into the top 100 on PS4 and I can only get to/finish 3 of those tracks. 99% of players can't even brute force their way to completion on the majority of them (and I have no problem admitting my limits).

There are a lot of people who swear that Inferno is impossible. Not just really freaking difficult, but straight up impossible. These are also people who infer that all of you who have finished Extremes are in fact "replay bots" that have been programmed so that nobody can ever "win" at the game.

You can have a "Ninja" category with leaderboards on those tracks that doesn't affect SP leaderboards. Problem solved, no?

Well, specific console positions don't really matter. What matters is your universal rank. If you don't practice ninjas, you won't get better at them. Speedrunning tracks won't really help you with ninjas, so the leaderboard position is irrelevant, tbh.

And the simple fact is that "the majority" aren't as good because they don't put the time and effort into understanding the physics. You can have days of playtime, but if you don't make an effort to improve your runs, you will improve overall at a much slower rate.

Those people are either joking, or too foolish to take seriously. Trials is a matter of understanding the physics first and foremost, and newer players really don't understand that.