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[S-Wallis]

From what I remember from shogun's track editor tutorials for Evo, when playing a track online against 3 other people, the track needs to be rendered 4 times (once for you, and once each for the other 3). I think it was something like that.

I definitely remember him saying that it was very important to test your track with 3 friends before publishing because you could make a complex track that plays fine when only one person is playing, but can cause problems when more than one person is playing it at the same time.

Maybe someone who remembers the Evo tutorials off by heart can remember what shogun said about optimising tracks for online mp...

P.S. I am in no way defending Ubisoft (I believe no online mp for single tracks was Ubisoft's idea to get the game out quicker and/or cheaper). I'm lucky that I have an XB1 otherwise I would be pis... Ahem. Annoyed. But I understand why it isn't possible.
Finally, for people comparing it to gta5, I think that the biggest difference is the frame rate. It take a lot more computing power to run at 60fps vs 30fps.

[aLeXeLa]

so when i read people saying they now nothing about how it works then thats it , you dont know how it works and i myself tend to listen to people who are qualified within this type of work , when there is no real reason why they would want to leave the 360 out.

Stop looking to blame the progression of technology but maybe have a look at why you havent upgraded. Its out of date and things that have gone off tend not be the same as its counterparts.

I merely asked having had single lane MP on Evo why it wasnt possible on Fusion, and like I said I have no idea how it works with the complexitiy of coding or whatever, so therefore asked someone who did and got my reply as to why, I dont see the harm in that. So thanks for the quick reply Eno.
I dont blame the progession of technology, but when you buy the same game, even on an 'out of date' console as you say, I can accept the limitations and know it wont be as good or as refined as the superior consoles, but you can probably see why some people are getting annoyed by this issue as they probably didnt think they would be getting a game with a feature less from the other versions even though it is on the 360.
Anyway, be looking forward to more x supercross tracks on online MP soon to add more tracks to the variety, as have enjoyed it so far, and if thats all what the 360 gets, then thats what it gets, more things to worry about in life than this.

[empecee]

my view isnt based on fusion nor any previous game but simply on one main factor -

About time the old relics stopped hammpering this games progression.

Why do 360 owner expect to get the same from thier system and games as the gamers within the new generation of gaming ? its and old system , it has no shelf life anymore and nor does its games and the same for the ps3. It soon will be in cash convertors being sold as a retro gaming console.

Within technology there is always a certain time or line that comes along where it tells you in a sort of codded way that you need to upgrade ( this is it ). It is not even classed really as the next generation , it is here now it is that generation , and has been for sometime now , if you are not part of this new world in which the gaming industry as moved too then expect alot of disapointment. Old applainces do not have the same functions has the new ones simple as that. Technologys growth is gettting faster as we move into the future and every franchise and every gaming company should not be held responsible because they want to grow with it. They deffinetly should not be held responsible if old equipment cant handle the new generation gaming. Redlynx has tried to keep this game involved within the 360 consoles and apart from the mp they seem to have managed this. They could have and would have had a valid reason if they had chose to sell 360 down the river in the first place but thy didnt they tried to keep them in the loop.

I dont think this is a choice that they are just pulling out of thier head , i doubt its just because they want to do this for fun so when i read people saying they now nothing about how it works then thats it , you dont know how it works and i myself tend to listen to people who are qualified within this type of work , when there is no real reason why they would want to leave the 360 out.

Stop looking to blame the progression of technology but maybe have a look at why you havent upgraded. Its out of date and things that have gone off tend not be the same as its counterparts.

Saying all that i do understand peoples disapointment as i would be if in the same situation but im not because i moved with the times. Im an old fart but still understand that ya got to go with the flow and technology is fast , if ya not fast ya last

If anyone is selling some cheap 360's now can ya let me know hahahahaha need one for the dog to play with.

i updated from 360 to xone to what i thought were the best versions of my favourite games . trials and bf4 . and tbh i wish i had not bothered . i just got a 360 again to play some real trials . so new tec aint always better , . and as to the gta points i made i was mearly pointing out that the 360 " old tec" could run the game . not interested how /why /or what frames . just that it CAN

[Rudemod 69]

i updated from 360 to xone to what i thought were the best versions of my favourite games . trials and bf4 . and tbh i wish i had not bothered . i just got a 360 again to play some real trials . so new tec aint always better , . and as to the gta points i made i was mearly pointing out that the 360 " old tec" could run the game . not interested how /why /or what frames . just that it CAN

I upgraded and I couldn't be happier. I enjoy Fusion next gen, as you know. Same as you don't enjoy it, and I know.

I'm no longer pining for Evo, and believe me, I loved that game; and to me that tells me I'm happy with my choice.

Funk, 360 was the platform that broke Trials into the big time. HD and Evo were huge sellers. It was honourable for RL to make the game for the 360 followers, but ultimately some things just can't be expected to be as good.

[funktastic-]

@alezala

Oh yeah i do understand and after reading my post it was alittle insensative and not enough was said really about them introducing such a shock mid game. Also it wasnt aimed at you personelly or your post bud was just an overall reply to the whole thread and reading alot of replies. Just seemed to me that people are suggesting that redlynx is doing this for some reason other than why they are saying its not possible. I also think that just the game in matter like these shouldnt just be taken into account. Try looking at it from a different angle , say the angle that a person who bought it on 360 paid a fare price for what they actually get from this game in total. It is for me that the next gen consoles got a good bargin with paying the same price but for a better experience. So i dont think 360 got a bad bargin and arent being ripped off i simply think ps4 and other consoles on the other hand got a great deal. I suppose it could be looked at both ways and agin my post was insensative but just an opinion.

@rude

Yeah i agree , they could have chosen to sell them don the river from the start and it would have been a valid thing to do in this market , so i think it was very honourble like you say for them to strive to keep them in the loop as much as possible.

@ empecee

If you went back to 360 from a upgrade for your personel reasons isnt nothing to do with this not being available , i would not dream of going back to my ps3 , where it was fantastic for its time , that time has passed. Were i agree that not all new tech is better which i never really said anyway my point was that new tech holds more functions and thats a fact. I use a gillette razor , a simple hand held and buy new blades i would not expect that to have the same functions as the new electric razors with the nose trimmers lol and pants girly stuff like that. You cant blame a company for wanting to move with the times , its a priority for companies to do so if they want to stay in the market. It is up to us the gamers to make sure that we have the correct equipment for that generation if we want to stay with them and enjoy all that is becoming available.

There is plenty of examples , like when hd came out people was shocked that if they bought an hd dvd then this then should give them had when infact they not only had to have an hd dvd player they had to have and hd tv also and also an hd lead. Is that the dvds fault then that this is the case ?. You will still get normal viewing with the dvd just not hd but its not the dvds fault your epuipment you play it on doesnt support it. This is the same with alot of new phones these days and having certain apps not work on certain phones , its the way the market is and the way this works with the ever fast growing technology. Yesturdays appliances are not catered for and thats life.

Even with the hd . they still had to have a full hd tv which most thought they had which they didnt and was only part hd. that was a con though i agree lol

[empecee]

@alezala

Oh yeah i do understand and after reading my post it was alittle insensative and not enough was said really about them introducing such a shock mid game. Also it wasnt aimed at you personelly or your post bud was just an overall reply to the whole thread and reading alot of replies. Just seemed to me that people are suggesting that redlynx is doing this for some reason other than why they are saying its not possible. I also think that just the game in matter like these shouldnt just be taken into account. Try looking at it from a different angle , say the angle that a person who bought it on 360 paid a fare price for what they actually get from this game in total. It is for me that the next gen consoles got a good bargin with paying the same price but for a better experience. So i dont think 360 got a bad bargin and arent being ripped off i simply think ps4 and other consoles on the other hand got a great deal. I suppose it could be looked at both ways and agin my post was insensative but just an opinion.

@rude

Yeah i agree , they could have chosen to sell them don the river from the start and it would have been a valid thing to do in this market , so i think it was very honourble like you say for them to strive to keep them in the loop as much as possible.

@ empecee

If you went back to 360 from a upgrade for your personel reasons isnt nothing to do with this not being available , i would not dream of going back to my ps3 , where it was fantastic for its time , that time has passed. Were i agree that not all new tech is better which i never really said anyway my point was that new tech holds more functions and thats a fact. I use a gillette razor , a simple hand held and buy new blades i would not expect that to have the same functions as the new electric razors with the nose trimmers lol and pants girly stuff like that. You cant blame a company for wanting to move with the times , its a priority for companies to do so if they want to stay in the market. It is up to us the gamers to make sure that we have the correct equipment for that generation if we want to stay with them and enjoy all that is becoming available.

There is plenty of examples , like when hd came out people was shocked that if they bought an hd dvd then this then should give them had when infact they not only had to have an hd dvd player they had to have and hd tv also and also an hd lead. Is that the dvds fault then that this is the case ?. You will still get normal viewing with the dvd just not hd but its not the dvds fault your epuipment you play it on doesnt support it. This is the same with alot of new phones these days and having certain apps not work on certain phones , its the way the market is and the way this works with the ever fast growing technology. Yesturdays appliances are not catered for and thats life.

Even with the hd . they still had to have a full hd tv which most thought they had which they didnt and was only part hd. that was a con though i agree lol

hd tvs dont mean better films does it ? a crap film is still a crap film in higher rez

[BeardinUSA]

I merely asked having had single lane MP on Evo why it wasnt possible on Fusion, and like I said I have no idea how it works with the complexitiy of coding or whatever, so therefore asked someone who did and got my reply as to why, I dont see the harm in that. So thanks for the quick reply Eno.
I dont blame the progession of technology, but when you buy the same game, even on an 'out of date' console as you say, I can accept the limitations and know it wont be as good or as refined as the superior consoles, but you can probably see why some people are getting annoyed by this issue as they probably didnt think they would be getting a game with a feature less from the other versions even though it is on the 360.
Anyway, be looking forward to more x supercross tracks on online MP soon to add more tracks to the variety, as have enjoyed it so far, and if thats all what the 360 gets, then thats what it gets, more things to worry about in life than this.

Its just money. It costs more money to tailor updates to the 360 because of the different hardware, it requires more developer hours as it requires alot of platform specific tweaks to get it running on the older hardware. They dont want to pay developers to create 360 versions of updates. Its strictly a cost cutting measure from redlynx perspective.

They obviously arent gonna straight up tell you that because it makes them look bad, but thats the real reason. Yes the older hardware makes it more difficult to create updates for, but the reality is, they could do it... they just dont want to.

[Agoat]

Its just money. It costs more money to tailor updates to the 360 because of the different hardware, it requires more developer hours as it requires alot of platform specific tweaks to get it running on the older hardware. They dont want to pay developers to create 360 versions of updates. Its strictly a cost cutting measure from redlynx perspective.

They obviously arent gonna straight up tell you that because it makes them look bad, but thats the real reason. Yes the older hardware makes it more difficult to create updates for, but the reality is, they could do it... they just dont want to.

This is incorrect.

Trials is a game that is required to run at 60 FPS for it to work properly. Game clock, physics, and even the speed of the game are tied to framerate. This is why the PC version does not let you go above 60 FPS. They were able to push Supercross to 360, but look at how simple the tracks are. There aren't very many objects, particle effects, or physics objects (aside from the Rider.) If you've ever wondered why Redlynx recommends that you test your track with a full game, it's because you need to add 7 more complex physics objects (player characters, no less) to your track to test it properly.

Redlynx simply can't push an update that has tracks running below the 60 FPS mark, it would literally break the game.

[TeriXeri]

Trials is a game that is required to run at 60 FPS for it to work properly.
Redlynx simply can't push an update that has tracks running below the 60 FPS mark, it will literally break the game.

Agreed on this, they already had to cut down resolution down on X1 to I think 900p, and X360 is much older.

Even new/next gen console games are often cut in resolution or framerate to 30 or both, can't reduce framerate on Trials so they are already on a limit, especially if a track has particles/physics on single lane Trials, even if the other players are ghosts.

[RetiredRonin]

Its just money. It costs more money to tailor updates to the 360 because of the different hardware, it requires more developer hours as it requires alot of platform specific tweaks to get it running on the older hardware. They dont want to pay developers to create 360 versions of updates. Its strictly a cost cutting measure from redlynx perspective.

They obviously arent gonna straight up tell you that because it makes them look bad, but thats the real reason. Yes the older hardware makes it more difficult to create updates for, but the reality is, they could do it... they just dont want to.

Agoat and TeriXeri have the right idea, which is what I tried to explain in the original post. It does not run well enough on that console. It's also the reason why we mentioned that some tracks will not be available on any console (not just X360). There has been a lot of work done on platform specific issues, it's how dev works. Updates ARE created for each console, and that includes the 360. The answer I gave earlier is the only answer there is; with the game, DLC and new features, we are using pretty much all we can get. You can only put so much weight on the table before it breaks.