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Community Project
Edit: If you have yet to 0 fault any HD tournament, we need you! Data you can provide is the best way to verify our score formulas.
Hey all! I would like to try and verify the HD score spreadsheet, as there is currently a discrepancy between that sheet score, added to the crash county score, and the overall global score we can find on the leaderboards. I have been using the current sheet to provide scores in the new record post, and I would like the post to be as accurate as possible.
Current Spreadsheets:
Trials Evo Spreadsheets
The task: Get PB's! (and record some data for me)
What I need: Record your global score before the pb, when you get a pb, post up your old time, old score, new time, and new score, something like this:
Middle Name: Danger:
Before: 0:13.800 - 36,000,000
After: 0:13.500 - 36,003,000
I am out of town currently, so I have not been able to start on this myself, but I will let you guys get started if you want to help out http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/image...icon/smile.gif
Tracks Still Needed:
Beginner
Middle Name: Danger
The Breakdown
The Big Ride
Easy
Building Blocks
Logsplosive
Smooth Jumps
Medium
Where's the Ground
Let's Get Physical
Groundhog Returns
Trippin the Plywood
Jolly Jumper
Hard
The Rise and Fall
Dynamic Range
Technique
Concrete Dreams
Classic
Extreme
Brown Boxes
Groundhog Forever
Inferno II
Tournaments
Backyard Cup
National Bike Cup
Regional Championship
Masters League
World Cup
World Championship
Underground Cup
Ultimate Endurance Challenge
Last, and somewhat unrelated, I would like a bit of a hand double checking skill game records. I have most of them just fine, but on a few, there are a lot of broken replays and bugged/glitched runs up top. I'm not 100% certain on what to list for the following records:
Gas Problem: all top replays for me were bugged (blaze's looked good, but crashed at 536 m or so if i recall correctly when it listed 579 m)
Sphere: all bugged replays for me, not certain on who to grab
Balance of power: hoping callumw's replay works for someone so I can put him on the thread (#2 - weasel worked fine for me).
Exploding man: same as Sphere
Inside the Ball: DGCFBb_EADGC had a broken replay for me, but beauhunt was fine. If someone can get DG's to work I will use that.
In Flames: matt's replay must have been old when i checked it, cuz it showed he didnt go farther than psy, i dunno if that has changed (willing to give matt the benefit of the doubt http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/image.../icon/razz.gif )
Target Hunt: wonder if someone can get zerofault's run to work, his score seems reasonable so i might just grab him anyway
Outside the Ball: lots of 408 m runs (assuming bugged) so i grabbed DETERMINOLOGY's run, wonder if anyone would like to verify.
Thx guys!
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What i found was that all single tracks i checked calculate correctly in my version of the sheet (could only test 0 fault time improvements, because 0 faulted them all already http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/image.../icon/razz.gif). Some tourneys did not as they acted really weird regarding global score (didnt give any points for improving in certain fault regions until 0 fault and then gave huge amount). Tourneys are also the ones we don't have the calculation values, because they are not written to the xml files in the game (i used fault factor 0.75 and ultimate time 75% of plat)
http://i.imgur.com/ek3AZz3.jpg
Tracks i checked for correct calculation:
Hello World
Basic Bumps
Groundhog Begins
Easy Wheeling
Upwardly Mobile
Mother of All Jumps
Container Rush
Under Ground
Trials/Tribulations
King of the Hill
Goin' Up!
Tourney time improvements when already 0 faulted:
Backyard Cup
National Bike Cup
Master's League
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Keep in mind that kn000t and I don't use the same HD spreadsheet (we each made our own). But it sounds like the tournaments are the issue on both, probably because we don't have the exact Ultimate Time and/or Fault Factors. It would be nice if RedLynx could provide that data.
I've improved a couple of individual tracks so far and they give the correct scores.
Tracks scoring confirmed on:
Container Rush
Dreamscape
Stock Market
Tired Hill
Rock'N'Drop
Unfair Bombardment
Trials/Tribulations
I'll post more when I get some more PBs.
For people who want those spreadsheets to calculate their scores you can find them here : Trials Evo Spreadsheets (You can add that to the OP Chaeron if you wish)
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So I improved backyard cup, the sheet scoring was wrong of course but I played with some numbers and got an exact score.
Here's the new data for Backyard Cup :
Possibility #1 - Ultimate Time : 00:30.000 / Fault Factor : 0.4
Possibility #2 (kn000t) - Ultimate Time : 00:56.250 (75% of platinum) / Fault Factor : 0.75
To make sure what the correct data is we need someone who doesn't have 0 fault to get a PB.
What we need : Any HD tournament
Time & Faults Before / LB Score Before
Time & Faults After / LB Score After
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So what we really need now are people that have faults on hd tournaments and can improve them.
Ultimate Time : platinum time * fault factor
Fault Factor : 0.xx
0.75 fault factor is not correct as shown by psycad with his masters league improvement (he got a time that would be less than ultimate and calculation didnt result in correct values anymore)
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Thx for the replies guys! Seems like you were way ahead of me on this one. For clarification, what all is located in the xml files? Were ultimate times and fault factors for individual tracks there that you could just pull? Were formulas included? Are kn000t's and Psycad's sheets the same/provide the same score outputs? Seems like a number of tracks work great with the current formula, but Middle Name: Danger's ultimate time is a huge red flag for me (14s o.O) so I wanted to check that one for sure, and I thought it would be a feasible task to do the same for all.
Awesome job guys!
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Middle Name: Danger Ultimate is 0:11,000
The values are stored in the tracks.xml
Example Middle Name:Danger
[code:3uo6cuck]<Track id="838" mode="trials" leaderboard_id="120" context_id="0" fullonly="false" hdtrack="true" difficulty="1" factor="0.1" bikes="0,1,2,3,4" x="1028" y="410">
<Limits ultimate="0:11:000" platinum="0:15:500" gold="0:19:300" silver="0:25:000" platinum_faults="0" gold_faults="0" silver_faults="0" pass="1000"/>
<PrizeMoney grind="195" bronze="280" silver="360" gold="465" platinum="465"/>
</Track> [/code:3uo6cuck]
To get the file you have to unpack the data.pak with quickbms and the corresponding bms file.
Formulas are not included, i just used the crash county sheet from http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9676 (thanks to original creators http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/image.../icon/clap.gif)and added HD.
The only difference between psycads and my sheet should be the tourneys, as we speculated with the values there.
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Thx kn000t, that really sorts things out for me. When I get home I'll check through the xml files to double check ultimate standards (and other medals probably).
Psy's backyard cup possibility seems pretty reasonable to me, ultimate times (especially for tourneys) are usually really low, so 30 seconds follows that trend. Also, for a beginner tourney 0.4 fault factor seems reasonable.
I'll keep workin on this later, and I guess I'll get skill games sorted out later http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/image.../icon/razz.gif
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Thanks for the spreadsheet
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I looked for a while and can't for the life of me find the tracks.xml file. Also, what is most people's margins of error when adding spreadsheet scores together vs global score? For me:
Crash County: 22,863,724
HD Warehouse: 14,283,080
Total: 37,146,804
Leaderboard Score: 36,756,707
Projected score for me is 390,097 too high, which is a lot. Is it possible for this amount to be fully reduced just by adjusting tournaments?