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Free to play and time limited - shame on you!
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...s-free-to-play
RedLynx have well and truly abandoned any values they once had.
Pay to have more time? Get real.
I was so disgusted by this it actually made me sign back into these forums for the first time in ages.
Now I've done that I don't think I'll be signing in ever again.
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Free to play, you don't have to buy anything, ever.
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if that true they better give an option to just pay once a fair ammount because that is http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/image...on/naughty.gif
don't listen to ubi, put you foot on the ground and make it a good f2p system
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Well, reduced to one trials game I guess, would rather just pay a standalone fee
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Originally Posted by Euan
Well, reduced to one trials game I guess, would rather just pay a standalone fee
As opposed to no fee at all? Really? huh. Strange.
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Originally Posted by ShiftySamurai
Free to play, you don't have to buy anything, ever.
Well done for making me log in again!
I may not HAVE to buy anything, but I would have to pay to play as much as and when I wanted and that is bull****.
You already ruined 1000 Hero's with free to play crap.
Frontier will not get a look in from me.
A paid app might have tempted me back into supporting RedLynx, freemium rubbish will not.
With that I bid you all good day and good luck.
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Originally Posted by Barrybarfly
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Originally Posted by Euan
Well, reduced to one trials game I guess, would rather just pay a standalone fee
As opposed to no fee at all? Really? huh. Strange.
whats the use of no fee if you can't play the game
people just wanna pay once and be done with it
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Originally Posted by sparkierjonesz
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Originally Posted by Barrybarfly
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Originally Posted by Euan
Well, reduced to one trials game I guess, would rather just pay a standalone fee
As opposed to no fee at all? Really? huh. Strange.
whats the use of no fee if you can't play the game
people just wanna pay once and be done with it
Actually YOU want to pay once and be done with it. But you dont speak for everyone. A lot of people like F2P as evidenced by the success of F2P. http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/image.../icon/wink.gif
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I don't have a card to just sit nd make charges when I feel like playing more, I would have easily paid a £6.99 like all the other top Apps, but not a chance now
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Originally Posted by Euan
I don't have a card to just sit nd make charges when I feel like playing more, I would have easily paid a £6.99 like all the other top Apps, but not a chance now
You'll be at home on Fusion most of the time. The free time is likely to be enough for you to use anyway, unless you only use your mobile device to play trials on. So as a secondary trials game to play, you will get it for free. How is that a bad thing?
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If its anything like that heroz game, then not even close to enough time.
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Originally Posted by Euan
If its anything like that heroz game, then not even close to enough time.
No idea, but that articles makes it seem like you'll have two hours playtime free. So lunch break, to work/school, home from work/school then on to Fusion. And you'll be playing for free on Frontier.
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Originally Posted by sparkierjonesz
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Originally Posted by Barrybarfly
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Originally Posted by Euan
Well, reduced to one trials game I guess, would rather just pay a standalone fee
As opposed to no fee at all? Really? huh. Strange.
whats the use of no fee if you can't play the game
people just wanna pay once and be done with it
Actually YOU want to pay once and be done with it. But you dont speak for everyone. A lot of people like F2P as evidenced by the success of F2P.
http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/image.../icon/wink.gif
for who is f2p popular, casuals
and a few good models like in lol that are for actual gamers
i personally don't mind f2p and see the benifits but there is alot that can be bad very bad
the only way that this way frontier is doing it can be not bad is like it would be more like a demo but with a f2p tag
you really think evo would have benifited if it was f2p like that, like lets say it even allows you to play 2h for free a day?
imo i would have killed all competivness
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Originally Posted by Barrybarfly
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Originally Posted by sparkierjonesz
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Originally Posted by Barrybarfly
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Originally Posted by Euan
Well, reduced to one trials game I guess, would rather just pay a standalone fee
As opposed to no fee at all? Really? huh. Strange.
whats the use of no fee if you can't play the game
people just wanna pay once and be done with it
Actually YOU want to pay once and be done with it. But you dont speak for everyone. A lot of people like F2P as evidenced by the success of F2P.
http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/image.../icon/wink.gif
for who is f2p popular, casuals
and a few good models like in lol that are for actual gamers
i personally don't mind f2p and see the benifits but there is alot that can be bad very bad
the only way that this way frontier is doing it can be not bad is like it would be more like a demo but with a f2p tag
you really think evo would have benifited if it was f2p like that, like lets say it even allows you to play 2h for free a day?
imo i would have killed all competivness
Evo isnt a mobile game and as such designed for short bursts of play by casual gamers. Its a more in depth game designed for more prolonged use on a home console. Two different markets. http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/image.../icon/wink.gif
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You will not lose anything by giving it a shot, it's free to play. If you like the way it works, then awesome, if not... you still haven't lost anything except a few minutes of your time.
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Originally Posted by ShiftySamurai
You will not lose anything by giving it a shot, it's free to play. If you like the way it works, then awesome, if not... you still haven't lost anything except a few minutes of your time.
you can lose the opportunity to enjoy a great game because you don't like the business model
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You will not lose anything by giving it a shot, it's free to play. If you like the way it works, then awesome, if not... you still haven't lost anything except a few minutes of your time.
You cant say that to US about Trials. We ALL have an unhealthy attachment to the game. I never cared about the freemium games because I was always simply able to play something else. Now though, now Trials is affected and it is depressing.
Why cant I just give you guys ten bucks and then have unlimited access to everything? Why complicate things? I want to give you guys my money, but not a hundred dollars 50 cents at a time...
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I totally get the hatred of f2p. Its most often a greedy move. But in this case, while clearly not the best way to do it, I can see that it may get you to put down your mobile for a little bit. And in an age where most people pay more attention to their screen than the person right in front of them, that's not a bad thing.
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Originally Posted by jook13
Why cant I just give you guys ten bucks and then have unlimited access to everything? Why complicate things? I want to give you guys my money, but not a hundred dollars 50 cents at a time...
Absolutely!
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Can't we have options to have the premium frontier game for a few bucks so we can play this game unlimited? You know most guys in the RedLynx forums are top riders, and they want to be high ranked in frontier while they are not at home. Like Connz Yo or High Deff plays more than 3 hours average a day (if you calculate their total playtime into the on Evo). It would also blow away excitement and competition from people
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I just want to make clear the reason I am so disappointed in the way Frontier will be monetised.
What RedLynx are plainly doing is exploiting the hook of Trials' gameplay for assumed monetary gain.
Imagine running a track a few times, starting to get the memory down for a tricky section and you know you've got it in you to beat it in a couple more runs and.... Bang, out of fuel, money please or wait til we say so. By that time you need to warm up again before you get back in the zone.
People will pay to stay in that zone. RedLynx and Ubi know it. And it's as bad as drawing people into online gambling in my opinion.
Trials is an extremely addictive game and using that addiction in this way is wrong.
By no means do I think this is the only game that uses this despicable business model. I just hoped it would be one that didn't.
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Originally Posted by EuphoricFusion
I just want to make clear the reason I am so disappointed in the way Frontier will be monetised.
What RedLynx are plainly doing is exploiting the hook of Trials' gameplay for assumed monetary gain.
Imagine running a track a few times, starting to get the memory down for a tricky section and you know you've got it in you to beat it in a couple more runs and.... Bang, out of fuel, money please or wait til we say so. By that time you need to warm up again before you get back in the zone.
People will pay to stay in that zone. RedLynx and Ubi know it. And it's as bad as drawing people into online gambling in my opinion.
Trials is an extremely addictive game and using that addiction in this way is wrong.
By no means do I think this is the only game that uses this despicable business model. I just hoped it would be one that didn't.
Exactly, it exploits peoples addictions, much like gambling... I agree 100%.
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Man you guys coulda fooled me....I thought Redlynx were here to hand out free ****.
They are a freaking BUSINESS! Making games to MAKE MONEY. Do people really forget that? http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/image...s/icon/doh.gif
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THat is fine. We WANT to buy the game. One price. One payment. Once. And dont give me the DLC for Trials Evo and HD argument. We both know that is a completely different thing.
I wont be playing a game where I feel like I have to keep shelling out money repeatedly to get the full experience. Not gonna happen. Don't worry though, I am pretty positive they will make a ton of money off of this. Probably more money than Fusion will make them.
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I just want to make clear the reason I am so disappointed in the way Frontier will be monetised.
What RedLynx are plainly doing is exploiting the hook of Trials' gameplay for assumed monetary gain.
Imagine running a track a few times, starting to get the memory down for a tricky section and you know you've got it in you to beat it in a couple more runs and.... Bang, out of fuel, money please or wait til we say so. By that time you need to warm up again before you get back in the zone.
People will pay to stay in that zone. RedLynx and Ubi know it. And it's as bad as drawing people into online gambling in my opinion.
Trials is an extremely addictive game and using that addiction in this way is wrong.
By no means do I think this is the only game that uses this despicable business model. I just hoped it would be one that didn't.
Well said. Energy based f2p models like this exist solely to exploit weak willed people with a poor sense of financial responsibility. No one here is unwilling to part with money to play the game, but if Redlynx is kidding themselves if they think that anyone will take Frontier remotely seriously if playing it at a competitive level requires shoveling money into the system on a daily basis just to be allowed to play.
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Indeed. I like to play games on my own terms, and these sorts of 'freemium' mechanics are antithetical to that. Also, and as noted, this sort of energy system in particular can be unpleasantly exploitative. Ordinarily I'd be psyched at the thought of more Trials. This news is a real shame.
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Originally Posted by EuphoricFusion
despicable business model.
This is just it. Whoever concocted this system has no love for the people who use their products -they just want their money. There are so many cases of people going overboard on micro-transactions within a free product without realising because it's a sneaky way to conduct business. It's exploitative (on a sub-conscious level) of consumers and their addictive personalities as humans.
To reiterate Jook, I'm happy to pay (even an above average price), just not in this way where you can't keep track of what you spend. This is especially important with a game such as Trials. I know this is just business but, to me, this method of providing an "in demand product" is very shady and scrupulous.
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Ok, simmer down. I hate a dispicable f2p model as much as the next guy, but we gotta see this thing for what it is. It's a means to expand their brand. The more people aware of it, talking about it, the better. F2p completely owns the mobile market, redlynx didn't really have a decision to make here. They spread awareness of the franchise to millions on the mobile platform to pull in more people for the real deal, fusion...and maybe, just maybe, give people a fun distraction for a little while they're away from their console. Seriously, why would any of us hardcore players actually want to play this on our phones hardcore for a long time? There's nothing as intuitive and comfortable as the console controls.
This doesn't take anything away from the fans, fusion is what we're all waiting for, and frontier just might help make that game a huge success. Say whatever they want about evo, I don't think it was as successful as it was supposed to be.
I'm excited to see frontier. I just hope the damn thing actually works. Phone games crash WAAAAY too much. I highly doubt my droid x will play it, possibly even the iPad 1.
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Originally Posted by Stllbreathnbuty
Ok, simmer down. I hate a dispicable f2p model as much as the next guy, but we gotta see this thing for what it is. It's a means to expand their brand. The more people aware of it, talking about it, the better. F2p completely owns the mobile market, redlynx didn't really have a decision to make here. They spread awareness of the franchise to millions on the mobile platform to pull in more people for the real deal, fusion...and maybe, just maybe, give people a fun distraction for a little while they're away from their console. Seriously, why would any of us hardcore players actually want to play this on our phones hardcore for a long time? There's nothing as intuitive and comfortable as the console controls.
This doesn't take anything away from the fans, fusion is what we're all waiting for, and frontier just might help make that game a huge success. Say whatever they want about evo, I don't think it was as successful as it was supposed to be.
I'm excited to see frontier. I just hope the damn thing actually works. Phone games crash WAAAAY too much. I highly doubt my droid x will play it, possibly even the iPad 1.
I think it is important to complain. They did have a choice. There are thousands of games on mobile that you can buy and own. They did have a choice. Or I should say Ubi had a choice. You cant simply lie down and say "well, that's the way it is...". If enough people voice their disgust, things can change. Look at the xbone.
I wont simmer down, both sony and Microsoft have stated that their systems will support many types of marketing models. What do you think will happen to the trials franchise if Frontier makes more money than Fusion? Honestly think about it, a FTP console Trials is a real possibility down the line. The whole industry is heading in that direction. When the time comes that I cant play games on my own terms, when ownership is simply a memory, I quit. I am on the edge right now, with this news I don't see myself playing Frontiers or Fusion... Or any game newer than the n64.
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Here's how I see it. Mobile markets are completely inhospitable to traditional business models for games. A studio can't charge a typical $15-$20 fee for a game because no one on the app store will look twice at it, even though it takes the same amount of time and budget to make a phone game as it does for any other platform. There's nothing wrong with turning to free to play, and it even has huge potential benefits to consumers who can choose just how much they want out of a game and just how much it's worth to them.
It's when your business model is at odds with the integrity of your game design that a problem arises. I would be happy if Frontier charged me for each additional track, if it charged me for rider customization items, if it charged me for collections of items to use in the editor. But for the very right to play the game to be locked behind an ever dwindling "fuel" source is preposterous. If you're going to start charging for made up resources that cost you nothing to produce you may as well charge for access to the buttons on the screen. "Want to use gas? That's $10. Need to lean left? That'll be $5."
And dismissing Frontier as a "distraction" because "why would any of us hardcore players actually want to play this on our phones hardcore for a long time?" is a cop out. Trials is all about challenging the player to improve themselves and if Redlynx didn't think their game was worth taking seriously they may as well trash it, because it's clear from their previous output in the Trials series that they take pride in work that they attach that name to.
And as an aside, I don't even see this sort of model working with Trials. Games like FarmVille thrive on the small minority of users who can't help but pour money into the system because they can't stand to fall behind. They pay money to get ahead of where they would be otherwise. In Trials progress comes from dedication and practice and the type of player who is willing to part with cash to get ahead in the game will soon be discouraged when they realize that they can't buy skill, while the type of player who has skill will be put off by the cost of constantly replenishing their fuel.
I understand the necessity for f2p and I hope as much as anybody that Frontier thrives and attracts new fans to the community, but if the game behaves as reported all I can see is dissatisfaction from all sides.
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Originally Posted by jook13
I think it is important to complain.
I'll complain when f2p is the only way to play trials on a platform that it's truly meant for.
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I think it is important to complain.
I'll complain when f2p is the only way to play trials on a platform that it's truly meant for.
Or you could complain now so they don't even consider f2p on 'real' trials games.
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In Trials progress comes from dedication and practice and the type of player who is willing to part with cash to get ahead in the game will soon be discouraged when they realize that they can't buy skill, while the type of player who has skill will be put off by the cost of constantly replenishing their fuel.
well said. unfortunately, one way to counter such a situation is to make the game require very little skill to get ahead. in a sense making it like farmville where amount of time played is more important than skill. an excellent model for casual mobile gamers but not for most of the trials faithfuls who've put in lots of hours and suffered through a lot of frustration to acquire the necessary skill.
i think one way to satisfy both parties is to include a pay-once-play-forever trials frontier version for any one who buys fusion. that way a long time trials fan can fully enjoy the mobile game without ultimately paying more for frontier than they paid for fusion.
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I think it is important to complain.
I'll complain when f2p is the only way to play trials on a platform that it's truly meant for.
Or you could complain now so they don't even consider f2p on 'real' trials games.
Well, it's out there then. As long as they retain the true trials experience on consoles, they can do whatever the hell they want on other platforms, as far as I'm concerned. It's a supplement to the real thing. Mess with that though, and yeah, there will be problems http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/image...con/snooty.gif
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I have been asking for a Vita or 3Ds version of trials for years. This COULD have been the next best thing, a portable trials COULD be kickass. This, it just pisses me off, it saddens me that I will be missing out on a trials game.
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Originally Posted by EuphoricFusion
What RedLynx are plainly doing is exploiting the hook of Trials' gameplay for assumed monetary gain.
Imagine running a track a few times, starting to get the memory down for a tricky section and you know you've got it in you to beat it in a couple more runs and.... Bang, out of fuel, money please or wait til we say so. By that time you need to warm up again before you get back in the zone.
Dude I wouldn't jump to conclusions until the game comes out. From what I've seen so far on Frontier, once you've chosen a track - you can keep on restarting and grinding it for as long as you like without having to pay for more gas. It's only when coming out of the level will it count as a gas having been spent and even that accumulates over time if it works like other casual games. I could be wrong though?
I'm not going to give judgement until I get it into my hands and try it out for real. No point in getting all depressed yet! 'Nuff said!
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Developer integrity becoming rarer and rarer these days. I am one less faithful Trials fan that will be buying Frontier. Despicable is an accurate word.
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I understand that F2P is essentially required when releasing a mobile game, because somehow that is the way that platform developed. But it is still unfortunate for the "Trials Hardcore" (see: us) who would like to spend hours grinding in a day without the annoying interruptions of having to pay in between tracks. A one time payment would be nice.
Not really impressed.
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All I can say, its going to be the best mobile game ever.
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I would like there to be 2 versions of the game available
a free time limited version with maybe 30 min a day, then a paid for version which has unlimited play
[unless your free time stacks, unlike some, where you get a unit and the next recharge doesn't start until you spend that unit - the full paid for is the only one I would play]
has there been any hint on what the exact limitations of the game are - i'm already kinda half way between wanting it and not, because I know I need a new phone to even consider it [moron bought a windows phone, a long time ago, but still, moron is a moron http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/image...on/biggrin.gif ]
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Hmmm.... F2P seems to be the way the forward for the mobile market.
I would suggest changing changing frontier's F2P model however, instead of determining how long the player has playing all of the tracks through fuel, I would bundle tracks together for a fee which can then allow the player to play on untill their faces turn blue. http://forum.redlynx.com/forum/image...on/biggrin.gif