Apparently (and unsurprisingly) outside of Islamabad.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13256676
Obama is supposed to give a speech soon.
(I don't think this qualifies as "politics" so much as current events)
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Apparently (and unsurprisingly) outside of Islamabad.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13256676
Obama is supposed to give a speech soon.
(I don't think this qualifies as "politics" so much as current events)
Good.
Weather or not that changes anything remains to be seen. Personally, yes its a good thing, but I don't think it will affect much regarding terrorism.
It won't change anything. You can't kill an ideology.Quote:
Originally posted by DrHerb:
Weather or not that changes anything remains to be seen. Personally, yes its a good thing, but I don't think it will affect much regarding terrorism.
But you can hold a person responsible for his actions, and I suppose he has been.
Took us long enough....
Our guys never gave up. Persistence pays off. Apparently it wasn't some "lame" Predator drone strike, either. It was a ground op; doods with guns! http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/smilies/rock.gif
Though, one is left wondering just how long the Pakistani government knew he was there before their arm was twisted enough to reveal that info... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
Liquidated some family members too. Hope it wasn't grand childeren like Gadhafi's the other day. Glad he's gone though.
The real question though is why do people think this actually changes anything?
Who said it does?
It doesn't change anything and nobody is saying that. We've been trying to do this for almost 10 years, we aren't going to say "yeah whatever" after all the time and money and people we sacrificed.
Good News
but what next!!!
Heard on the news that there is a nuclear weapon (old soviet era ones have apparently 'gone missing' in the past) buried in Europe somewhere that Al-Queida representatives mentioned recently that would be detonated if/when Osama was killed.
I sincerely hope this is conjecture not fact
Not trying to be morbid but this is a critical element.
So what does the US do with the remains?? The muslims are quite particular about unclean infidels touching their remains. Cant just discard it like a rag,cant display the rotting corpse on tv or towed behind a humvee through the streets, cant feed it to the pigs, that would really inflame the muslim world. Lets see, a state funeral / military funeral with honors?? Not. Bury it in a cemetery anywhere and it becomes jihad central. So probably like Hitler, it just goes away??
I heard a burial at sea was mentioned on the news
maybe untrue but possible, no jihad central as you eloquently put it
Flame me if you must but Osama Bin Laden was a great man in his own way. He had talent, genius and a flair for organizing complex operations across a broad spectrum of operational doctrines. Too bad he was basically a sicko twisted fanatical extremist jihadist and a mass murderer. The world has many examples of evil geniuses, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Khadafi, Hussein, the list can be endless. Im not a supporter of murder/terrorism (i actually earned my global war on terrorism medal) but to his people he truly was a muslim version of Robin Hood. In some circles he will be greatly missed and become a martyr, others will revile him as repugnant/evil etc. Someone somewhere has had his children and his immediate family will have to cope with his loss in their own way. He dosnt deserve to RIP but I cant sentence him to RIH either. So goodby and good riddance.. and hopefully the world will find a better way to solve it's problems.
Box him up and FedEx his body back to Islamabad. They apparently liked keeping him there... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common...n_rolleyes.gifQuote:
Originally posted by stugumby:
Not trying to be morbid but this is a critical element.
So what does the US do with the remains?? The muslims are quite particular about unclean infidels touching their remains. Cant just discard it like a rag,cant display the rotting corpse on tv or towed behind a humvee through the streets, cant feed it to the pigs, that would really inflame the muslim world. Lets see, a state funeral / military funeral with honors?? Not. Bury it in a cemetery anywhere and it becomes jihad central. So probably like Hitler, it just goes away??
I see MSNBC news spells it with an O Osama
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
And FOX news spells it with a U Usama
http://www.foxnews.com/
Who’s right?
Finally some good news to wake up to.
rip
I'll not waste a second of my life or dishonor those who suffered and perished on either side of the lines due to him, thinking of him.....Instead I'll devote my time to saying a prayer for those lost, those still suffering, and those still in peril.
Eternity is very short when forgotten.
K2
I have a sneaking suspicion the Seal Team were under strict orders to ensure he did not survive the assault.
A trial would have lasted forever and would have served as a rallying point for the bad guys.
I agree.
Wouldn't of been to clever to catch him alive.
Hope they shot him in the balls, before in the head.
Will this change anything, no sadly.
I will also wait to see if it's really him they claimed they killed. They killed his second in command five times as I recall.
They had lots of reasons for him not to testily in open court whatsoever. Not the least is the Bush and Ben-ladin families had/have intimate ties.Quote:
Originally posted by thefruitbat:
I agree.
Wouldn't of been to clever to catch him alive.
Hope they shot him in the balls, before in the head.
Look it up.
Anyway I hope this was Ben Ladin they killed.
The US military is now staring to confirm this was a kill mission, not a capture mission.
Top notch job by the US Forces (according to the initial reports we are seeing).
Great for the morale of the United States and the countries he targeted in general.
From a less emotional standpoint I cannot see that his "removal from the chain of command" will make a massive difference in their terrorist operations and someone will be ready to step up to take over.
They cannot let this pass without more attacks but then you could argue that they were going to do that anyway.
But if you live in Europe, especialy the UK, keep yours eyes wide open. Remember we have the largest amount of terrorist suspects roaming the streets outside of the middle east.
But huge respect for an extremely well carried out operation.
On a side note it will be intresting to watch how the UK media report on this in the coming weeks. It's an operation that has gone very well and the UK media never like that. Sky News are already casting questions on the legality of an "assassination" (their phrase) type mission.
But personally I'm glad the b@st@rd's got what was coming to him.
To use an American saying: "Payback's a b!tch!".
How did he die exactly I wonder? Was it something impersonal like a grenade thrown into a room, or was he gunned down while defiantly screaming God is Great and firing an AK from the hip? Perhaps he was dragged out from under a bed, or tried to bargain for his life? Like most tyrants, it's often interesting to know how they met their end.
Initial reports say that he was shot in the head.
The media are also reporting that one of the persons killed (not known who) was trying to use a woman as human shield. She died too.
But it should be emphasised that these are all initial reports from a media with limited information ( and generally the same level of intelligence).
I found out about 11:15 PM Sunday night EST that OBL was DOA. I found out from the K.N.N. "Knuclehead News Network". My son... affectionately known as "Da Knucklehead" had just came in from a graduation/birthday celebration for a classmate. He was doing his typical wandering around getting ready for school dance when he throws out the following on his way up to bed.
"Hey Pops they got Osama Bin Ladin tonight, he's dead."
"Yeah right kid, pull the other one while you're at it."
"No seriously, I heard about an hour ago."
I thought on this for a second, turned to CNN saw the headlines... then I got mad.
"You knew this an hour ago?"
"Yeah...,"
"And you were gonna tell me when?"
"It kinda slipped my mind."
"Anything else you hodlin' out on me? Amelia Erhardt found? Hoffa discovered in Cancun?"
After a while I just shook my head and watched the coverage until the wee hours. It was a bitter sweet moment for me. Bitter because my son and his mother were living and working in Manhattan that day and saw the whole thing unfold in real time. Bitter because a co-worker lost his brother in Building One that day. Bitter, because of all the people who've died that day and since due to OBL's twisted brand of Islamic Jihad. But I also feel proud and happy. Proud of the intelligence community and military who planned the operation. Proud of our President who proved that he's NOT a man you want to play poker with. And overjoyed at the spontaneous outpouring of joy expressed through out the country last night. Particularly at the Mets/Phillies game where the players stopped playing to cheer right along with the rest of us. Oh to live in such mighty times.
Worf
Is there any confirmation about the "burial at sea" BS? I don't want to sound like a conspiracy loony but seriously, they would not just drop the body of the guy on top of the most wanted list into the sea a few hours after he's killed unless they're hiding soemthing. Islamic burial? For Bin Laden? There isn't a person who deserves an Islamic burial less than the guy that did the most damage to Islam in the past 100 years at least...
I have to admit that that was my initial reaction to the speed of his disposal. However I would be staggered if there was not a vast amount of visual media and forensic samples taken and they cannot exactly parade around a corpse with half it's head missing can they?
If the US did give him a correct Muslim funeral at sea you could argue that it could be seen as "taking the moral high ground". The message "we are better than you on every level" could be a powerful idealogical message to send. On the other hand the people we are fighting do tend to regard compassion as weakness and such an action would probably not go down at all well with the US population.
Above all I do not think the US should be seen to gloat too much in his death, although don't get me wrong, I fully understand why they would. However gloating is a sign of insecurity and that is exactly what the enemy are looking to achieve.
I am surprised that the US have not engaged in a bit of deliberate misinformation and stated that he was found as result of information from within his own organisation. We could then sit back and watch Al Qaeda tear itself apart looking for the "rat". Perhaps a little naive on my part but it's an entertaining thought none the less.
I suppose the most revealing evidence of confirmation will be Al Qaeda's reaction over the coming weeks.
It is still very early days yet.
So far all we have is a horrible quality image of a dead guy that looks like any other taliban. Apparently the pinnacle of technology that is the US military still have not fielded photographic equipment that can shoot images in a resolution higher than 300x200...
I'm about as skeptical of this as I am about the alleged death of Gaddafi's son and especially the 3 grandchildren....
Nice one guys. You have to hand it to Americans, they are tenacious!
As I said before the Bush and Ben Ladin families are REAL tight. I bet they delivered his body back to his kin for a secret burial. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies...miley-wink.gifQuote:
Originally posted by ROXunreal:
Is there any confirmation about the "burial at sea" BS? I don't want to sound like a conspiracy loony but seriously, they would not just drop the body of the guy on top of the most wanted list into the sea a few hours after he's killed unless they're hiding soemthing. Islamic burial? For Bin Laden? There isn't a person who deserves an Islamic burial less than the guy that did the most damage to Islam in the past 100 years at least...
He died the way he wanted to.. The way he said he would.Quote:
Originally posted by blairgowrie:
I have a sneaking suspicion the Seal Team were under strict orders to ensure he did not survive the assault.
A trial would have lasted forever and would have served as a rallying point for the bad guys.
He was buried at sea.. Smart move IMO..
I'm wondering if someone stuck a ham sandwich and a can of Bud in there with him.... a snack for his journey to paradise...
http://www.gifanimations.com/GA/Imag...rburst_red.gif For the many who now can not share this moment. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://www.gifanimations.com/GA/imag...reworks-05.gif
As for raising the morale of those fighting the war on terror, I guess it was a good thing but I'm afraid Bin Laden has already played his part. Several years ago. I will celebrate with those unfortunate when they bring down a queen spider. Not official leaders. They are bait, and nothing but bait.