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Giantsfan24
05-31-2004, 11:59 PM
If you have read my other posts, you know that i am going to get an interim upgrade(about 500 dollars). Now i really don't know which motherboard to get.
It looks like a amd 3000+ with 1024 mb pc3200 ram and a g4 ti4600 will give me the 30+fps over lenningrad(apparently the worst fps killer in the game). Now I have the processor and the memory and vid card(which i will upgrade when i get some more money) but don't know a good motherboard from a hole in the fence. I don't need top of the line but i don't want something that will completely negate the upgrade. Any help will be appreciated. And it will have to be 30+ with the G4 ti4600. I have been told the vid card is mostly eye candy stuff and the real fps come from the cpu.

[This message was edited by Giantsfan24 on Mon May 31 2004 at 11:42 PM.]

Giantsfan24
05-31-2004, 11:59 PM
If you have read my other posts, you know that i am going to get an interim upgrade(about 500 dollars). Now i really don't know which motherboard to get.
It looks like a amd 3000+ with 1024 mb pc3200 ram and a g4 ti4600 will give me the 30+fps over lenningrad(apparently the worst fps killer in the game). Now I have the processor and the memory and vid card(which i will upgrade when i get some more money) but don't know a good motherboard from a hole in the fence. I don't need top of the line but i don't want something that will completely negate the upgrade. Any help will be appreciated. And it will have to be 30+ with the G4 ti4600. I have been told the vid card is mostly eye candy stuff and the real fps come from the cpu.

[This message was edited by Giantsfan24 on Mon May 31 2004 at 11:42 PM.]

arcadeace
06-01-2004, 12:07 AM
If you're not interested in overclocking almost any compatible MB from a reputable manufacturer should do. Try Pricewatch for excellent prices.

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Giantsfan24
06-01-2004, 12:20 AM
Thats just it, which ones are reputable.
How about:
Abit kv7 kt600?
Any suggestions would be helpful

T_O_A_D
06-01-2004, 12:21 AM
did you check this same topic you posted in community help.

I buy anly ASUS mobo's anymore. If I was to choose a different one then I would go Abit.

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Giantsfan24
06-01-2004, 12:40 AM
Yeah, do you agree with the guy that said if i don;t want to overclock, i should only worry about the manufacturer's reputation? I don't know if you read my reply in the community help section. Are you saying with a:
P4 2.4ghz
g4ti4600
1024 pc3200
and some kind of motherboard
you got 30+ fps over lenningrad.
how low were you?
what causes(d) you to go below 30 fps?
Thanks I am just worried that i will buy a whole new system and the motherboard will negate that and be a huge bottleneck. Thanks

Cragger
06-01-2004, 12:51 AM
I have no complaints with my Asus A7N8X Deluxe and it will accept both the processor and memory.

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LEXX_Luthor
06-01-2004, 12:56 AM
If you want to over rev make sure you get good fan

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Giantsfan24
06-01-2004, 01:00 AM
Which motherboard on this page would you choose? Anyone who know what there talking about.
http://www.magicmicro.com/smoreinfo.asp?iid=677

T_O_A_D
06-01-2004, 01:11 AM
I would go with this list if you can go 78 over the 500 mark. http://www.magicmicro.com/smoreinfo.asp?iid=677
If not go with the mobo you had listed. At this time I would max out what ever mobo I was getting to have the most of it farther down the road.

When getting a air cooling system for your CPU bigger is better generally.
Darn it doesn't save my shopping list for ya.

I had it set on

3200 AMD
Spire Whisperrock IV fan set up
A7n8xdx nforce
and 1 gig of 3200 ram
$578.00
If you leave it the same and change only the mobo to the Abit NF7-M it ends up 571.00

So research both those and see wich one has the bes overclocking ability. Punch them up on Tomshardwareguide and see if you can find a review on them.


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[This message was edited by T_O_A_D on Tue June 01 2004 at 12:30 AM.]

Maj_Death
06-01-2004, 01:14 AM
In my experience, a motherboard is a motherboard. Get one that meets your needs and don't overly concern yourself about the manufacturer. Just make sure it has a 1 year warrenty or better. I run on a PC Chips mobo right now, cost $20 and has run perfectly for 1.5 years. ASUS is the biggest rip off out there IMHO. They are horribly overpriced and their stuff isn't any better than the generic brands.

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T_O_A_D
06-01-2004, 01:21 AM
ASUS cost a bit more for sure when they first bring out a new product. But I have built over 100 machines with them and other namebrands. I have only RMA'd 1 Asus out of all of them, but I have RMA'd Iwill's, MSI's and Abits. more than once. And got remanufactured or repaired boards back. Asus I got a new board. Matter of fact my ery first machine was a ASus board and it still run's today.

Its a Ford Chevy thing, If the ASUS is out of price range fall back and get the Abit setup.

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Hawgdog
06-01-2004, 07:15 AM
posted 01-06-04 00:14
In my experience, a motherboard is a motherboard. Get one that meets your needs and don't overly concern yourself about the manufacturer.

Man, I strongly disagree with this one.
I've gone thru a few motherboards, ONLY changing the mobo-keeping everything else to ensure accurate testing. Then running various and sundry benchmarks.

Motherboards make an enormous difference!

HUGE!

Different chipsets will create, or, help with bottlenecks.
No name brand mentioned but do serious, serious research before plopping down any money.
Take the time, spend two or three hours on the net reading. You will save yourself untold aggravation.
I think about 70-100 bucks gets you into the "proper" gaming boards. But do the reading
regards-

Inadaze
06-01-2004, 08:07 AM
Most Nforce2 boards are sweet. I've a MSI K7N2 Delta ILSR.
Some Nforce2 mobos don't like certain brands of memory. I'd check the manufacturers site for compatability before you buy.

I had problems with Elixir ddr400 in my rig, changing it to Danelec sorted it.

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BBloke
06-01-2004, 09:05 AM
A motherboard is the core platform for your PC. Its basically the building blocks and should, IMHO, be given the most amount of time for research.

You wouldn't put a porsche engine in a 3 wheeler chasis?!?

I have a preference with MSI and have built two similar systems with the same board as Inadaze and they have both been outstanding machines for the money.

Lucky for one of them it had Kingston dual channel DDR which worked a treat.

Personnelly I've always ended up with Gigabyte boards for P4's with as well as an older abit for a P3. I would certainly look at all the brands mentioned, Asus, Abit, MSI and disregard any PCChips boards. Especially if its a gaming platform you are looking at.

Just my 2 cents.. or rather tu'pence!

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Maj_Death
06-01-2004, 09:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hawgdog:
_ posted 01-06-04 00:14
In my experience, a motherboard is a motherboard. Get one that meets your needs and don't overly concern yourself about the manufacturer. _

Man, I strongly disagree with this one.
I've gone thru a few motherboards, ONLY changing the mobo-keeping everything else to ensure accurate testing. Then running various and sundry benchmarks.

Motherboards make an enormous difference!

HUGE!

Different chipsets will create, or, help with bottlenecks.
No name brand mentioned but do serious, serious research before plopping down any money.
Take the time, spend two or three hours on the net reading. You will save yourself untold aggravation.
I think about 70-100 bucks gets you into the "proper" gaming boards. But do the reading
regards-<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is true that a mobo can make a huge difference. I didn't say it didn't. I said the manufacturer doesn't make a difference. This is why I said get one that meets your needs but don't worry about the brand name. And BTW if you spend more than $50 on a mobo then you are getting ripped off, $50 will get you slots for 2GB of PC4000 DDR, 8xAGP, 5xPCI, and 800mhz FSB. Don't believe me, look here www.pricewatch.com (http://www.pricewatch.com)

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ZG77_Nagual
06-01-2004, 09:49 AM
ooh, I dunno - when you get to overclocking some boards can be very twitchy - I like asus for the amd boards. Personally I usually buy abit boards and run intel rigs. I definitely push them righ to the limit and this is when you see the diff between boards. But I've built amd rigs with the asus boards and they worked out nicely. abit and asus have been my favs - I've had some trouble with MSI - particularly with rma'ing stuff - kept getting the same two defective boards back - also with the ram slots warping - but they do have great bang for the buck. I've heard soyo, shuttle and chaintech are all good. the Asus a7n8x seems to be the fav for amd though with the FB crowd.

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06-01-2004, 12:26 PM
You wouldn't put a porsche engine in a 3 wheeler chasis?!?


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Giantsfan24
06-02-2004, 12:27 AM
It looks like the nf7-s with a xp3000+ and 1024 of pc3200 memory will be what i will be getting. Let me know what you think.

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06-02-2004, 12:54 AM
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Giantsfan24
06-02-2004, 01:40 AM
Toad(among many others) you have been so awesome. I think i would like to join your squadron. See you in the skies.
Oh...opinions about my system are still greatly appreciated.

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06-02-2004, 01:54 AM
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mortoma
06-02-2004, 04:10 PM
I always build Asus machines and I have never had a problem. Except once when I had screw get behind the board and toasted the entire board. Oops!! And I do know that you shound never buy a Biostar mobo, they are a POS, my brother has one of those.

Giantsfan24
06-02-2004, 04:50 PM
Thanks guys. Really appreciate it.

Bearcat99
06-02-2004, 05:00 PM
It looks like your 300o is the Barton.. not the 64.. so if I were you Id go with the AsusA7N8X or the Abit.. I have the Asus and it has given me no grief at all. It is highly overclockable if thats your thing nd it is easy to do.. just kick up the specs. It has onboard monitoring of things like temps and fan speeds.. a great bd.

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Jumoschwanz
06-02-2004, 09:05 PM
I have put together four Asus nforce2 rigs lately. The nforce2 chipset is the fastest for AMD processors. But I would try something besides Asus if I put another together. The reason is, that since revision 2.0, the A7N8X boards are super picky on the brand of RAM you put in them. Asus even posted a list of the exact memory part numbers to use in the boards. I had all kinds of problems if I did not use the exact right RAM.
To play IL2FB really smoothly you need at least a gig of ram. I am running a gig and a half right now. The Asus board only has three slots for ram so you have to buy 512 sticks to get these big numbers. Thing is, there are only two part numbers for 512mb sticks that are approved by Asus for use in these boards and they are not always easy to find.
I found this out the hard way. I ordered two matched 512 sticks of Corsiar xms ram, top of the line stuff, to use in a rev2.0 board and it did not work for $hit! I could not even install the OS becuase the hard drive was corupting so bad.
Next rig I put together I am going to try giga-byte. I ran these in the thunderbird days and everyone I put together I never had one problem and they are all still running after four or five years. S!

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repoman11
06-02-2004, 10:54 PM
I'm still using an out of date Epox 8K3A+. Epox, like Abit and Asus among others, have the sort of features that gamers/overclockers want. Adjustable memory voltage, adjustable CPU voltage, etc. Some of the cheaper manufacturers have some of these features, but you are better off with the ones you know will have the performance features you want. Also, the big names are much better at providing BIOS updates that will help you keep your machine up to date as long as possible.

I'd go with the Nforce chipset. You may also want to consider a DFI. They manufacture one of the top performing Socket A motherboards out right now.