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GoodKn1ght
01-21-2004, 01:13 AM

GoodKn1ght
01-21-2004, 01:13 AM

Rajvosa
01-21-2004, 01:25 AM
Cheat because you're using headphones? That's got to be one of the more stupid things I've heard regarding Il2! Does this include people with advanced sound systems and multiple speakers?
"How did you know I was behind you?"
"I heard you"
"What?! You cheater"
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blabla0001
01-21-2004, 01:52 AM
"Headphones let you hear things/directions that speakers dont"

You never heard of surround speakers or something?

I use a 6.1 Surround set from Logitech and have the speakers placed well, arround me.

I can heard what is comming from what direction just fine.

madsarmy
01-21-2004, 01:55 AM
Originally posted by GoodKn1ght:
I dont have TIR so i rely on sound a lot.

I dont understand! What do people think TIR is. some sort of magic see all device.

No I don't think headphones are a cheat.
Printscreeners & speed hackers are cheats.

Have they dumbed down the sound for hearing approaching aircraft in 1.21? Cos you cant hear a plane until it's on you now. Which to me is better.In real life I cant imagine hearing much in cockpit until it's on top of you. I guess thats why most never even new who or what shot them down.

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blabla0001
01-21-2004, 01:58 AM
I believe TIR let's you see at all angles, even at dead six.

hobnail
01-21-2004, 03:35 AM
Where's the "I want candy" option in this poll?

Bah!

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ELEM
01-21-2004, 03:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
"Headphones let you hear things/directions that speakers dont"

You never heard of surround speakers or something?

I use a 6.1 Surround set from Logitech and have the speakers placed well, arround me.

I can heard what is comming from what direction just fine.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same hear. It is a far more natural sound than wearing headphones. I find it far more useful in other games though ie. Vietcong. I can pinpoint exactly where and what weapon is being fired. Is using surround sound more of a cheat than headphones?

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

[This message was edited by ELEM on Wed January 21 2004 at 03:03 AM.]

blabla0001
01-21-2004, 03:43 AM
Maybe GoodKn1ght never had any surround sets, just old fasion desktop speakers.

Rajvosa
01-21-2004, 03:51 AM
If we go back to the topic, Knight was accused of cheating because he used headphones. It's like accusing someone of cheating because he uses rudderpedals! C'mon!



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blabla0001
01-21-2004, 04:06 AM
So what?

I got a surround set, rudder pedals and a big monitor + a great graphics card.

This allows me to set the game details to max and as a result I can make a plane identification from a pretty long range and it also improves my gunnery skills because the planes don't have jaggy edges, allowing me to aim for specific locations at longer range easier.

If someone calls me a cheater because of that all I am going to do is laugh even harder when they go down in flames before my guns.

On top of that I am not even going to discuss it with these people, I just ignore them.

Rajvosa
01-21-2004, 04:10 AM
If someone should accuse you of cheating, Cappa, it would be more of a jealousy 'cos you've got a better system than that guy has. Any technical gizmo that makes it easier for you, or give you better odds is welcome.



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blabla0001
01-21-2004, 04:15 AM
That's why I ignore such people.

Besides, I am not really that chatty when I fly online, heck, most of the time I don't say (type) anything at all.

Cajun76
01-21-2004, 04:27 AM
If we look at the topic in the context of "full real" difficulty (whatever one wants to call it) using sound in a nonhistorical way might be considered an "unfair" advantage by someone striving for "realism".

This is differant from someone using a $40 twiststick vs. a HOTAS. My HOTAS has a rudder rocker on the throttle, and I don't begrudge anyone using rudder pedals.

The 'advantage' of hearing your enemy coming up from behind at 0.75 Mach is not historical. Therefore, some might have a problem with it. Many of the 'FR' people are obsessed with recreating "The Bounce." Using sound as a early warning indicator would negate this Holy Grail of "FRers". The only place I can see someone wanting to recreate "the bounce" in is Coop missions and online wars. For virtually all of the other df servers, the dogfighting is a caricature of WWII aerial combat.

The term "cheating" for this is too harsh, however. But due to the question put forth "Was it possible to hear anything other than your own engine?" I voted "No" Hearing a bouncing, high speed plane would be unrealistic.

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Slush69
01-21-2004, 04:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rajvosa:
Cheat because you're using headphones? That's got to be one of the more stupid things I've heard regarding Il2! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, though "arcade feel", and "If you play arcade feel free to comment, i just wont read/regard your post" come in a close second. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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madsarmy
01-21-2004, 04:43 AM
Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
I believe TIR let's you see at all angles, even at dead six.

I fly in cockpit only & TIR does not let you see dead six it gives you the same view as mouse movement its just more natural to move your head.

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01-21-2004, 04:47 AM
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Stefan-R
01-21-2004, 04:47 AM
First, i always fly "full real" and I always fly with headphones. 2 reasons:
1. My TrackIR-dot is placed on my headset
2. I try to fly in a team, so i use Teamspeak if possible.

Its sad that it is possibe to hear planes (engine!) around you, which is not realistic (some finish fighterpilots from ww2 stated this in an interview), gunfire however can and should be heard. Problem is that it is a &lt;i&gt; bug &lt;/i&gt; (or is it a feature?!) of FB, so it can't be considered as &lt;i&gt; cheating &lt;/i&gt;.

blabla0001
01-21-2004, 04:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by madsarmy:
I fly in cockpit only & TIR does not let you see dead six it gives you the same view as mouse movement its just more natural to move your head.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I saw a topic about it on SimHQ with screenshots some time ago and people somehow found a way to see in all directions with TIR.

nixon-fiend.
01-21-2004, 04:54 AM
Jeez, this little elitist thinks he's a demi-god cos he does the fr dance.

Sickening.

Not wanting to hijack the thread.. but hell, he knew what the responses would be! It seems more like an opportunity to advertise the fact that he is, in fact, a 'higher being' owing to his 'superior' settings.

Don't use that tone in here pilgrim.

Capt.LoneRanger
01-21-2004, 05:21 AM
What do you exactly mean?

Don't you believe that in WW2 they were deaf in a cockpit!? Look at the screaming sound of todays airlines and the noise-protection in the cabin. Still you can year other aircrafts on the ground, as they pass you.

And in FB we're not talking about super-sonic battles, so how can actually hearing be cheating?

Besides that, as allready stated TrackIR is no winning-addon. It's a nice thing, but honestly, I still like to use my coolie-hat in FB.


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Stefan-R
01-21-2004, 05:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by madsarmy:
I fly in cockpit only & TIR does not let you see dead six it gives you the same view as mouse movement its just more natural to move your head.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I saw a topic about it on SimHQ with screenshots some time ago and people somehow found a way to see in all directions with TIR.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its only possible if you use special drivers for your TrackIR.
Its that same as using special graphicdrivers to see thru walls in a shooter or something.
And that is cheating, but you can't controle it. To say that everyone who uses TrackIR is cheating and can see all around is wrong.

Recon_609IAP
01-21-2004, 05:35 AM
Cappadocian_317, you can't see anymore than anyone else can with TIR.

As far as sound - there was a 200+ post to Oleg on sounds and the ability to hear too much outside cockpit.

I wear headphones because I have a family in my house who would probably kick me out if they had to hear airplanes and gun firing all night - lol, so I hope it's not cheating http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Nixon - the only sickening post is your negative comment - go troll elsewhere! This isn't about difficulty - start your own flame war somewhere else - lol

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SeaFireLIV
01-21-2004, 05:45 AM
As Recon said, I have to use headphones. It`s not a case of cheating or no (although it`s dumb to call it cheating), it`s a necessity.

Some of us simply can`t play FB with loud speakers and to get it as loud as in reality I have to either be prepared to face the Police (for disturbing the Peace) or listen to good quality headphones.

Rajvosa
01-21-2004, 05:47 AM
Sheesh!
And they call me an instigator of fights...
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T_O_A_D
01-21-2004, 05:58 AM
I use headphones and TIR Ok then I'll just have to go to the back of the class http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

No seriously I use them to keep the wife and kids off my back for one. I have a 6.1 system but seldom get to enjoy it.

I will say this If on comms everyone should be on a head set. All beit may be more realistick to here his loud speakers over his voice in the back ground while telling me to watch my 6, it just doesn't work well. I've often thought about the types of mics they had back then, I noticed they are like dog collars so are nouse cancelling, too the point that only the throat noises would be piced up when used, are they apt to pic up all the cockpit sounds.

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blabla0001
01-21-2004, 06:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stefan-R:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by madsarmy:
I fly in cockpit only & TIR does not let you see dead six it gives you the same view as mouse movement its just more natural to move your head.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I saw a topic about it on SimHQ with screenshots some time ago and people somehow found a way to see in all directions with TIR.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its only possible if you use special drivers for your TrackIR.
Its that same as using special graphicdrivers to see thru walls in a shooter or something.
And that is cheating, but you can't controle it. To say that everyone who uses TrackIR is cheating and can see all around is wrong.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never said TIR people are cheating, I just responded to a question.
The special TIR driver is a cheat, just as RBJ with his RBJ Shift instant full trim stuff but there is nothing that can be done about it.

Personally I don't really care about this, some people just don't have the skill to play games and need exploits and cheats to belong with the "big boys" I guess.

VW-IceFire
01-21-2004, 06:32 AM
Its inevitable that someone with better hardware is going to have an advantage over another. We don't enforce computer hardware when people join servers (and nor should we!) so there is no reason why headphones could be considered a cheat anymore than a 6.1 sound solution would be or the fact that my Radeon 9700Pro is going to give me an advantage over a GeForce 4MX owner in terms of fluidity and smoothness.

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madsarmy
01-21-2004, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
I saw a topic about it on SimHQ with screenshots some time ago and people somehow found a way to see in all directions with TIR.

I did not know about that Cappadocian_317.
Heres a screenie of what I see and this is on wide view

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/tommybomb-six.jpg

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blabla0001
01-21-2004, 06:44 AM
That's the same as everyone else is seeing with "normal" hat view.

I find TIR way too expensive so I use NewView instead, it's kinda like TIR but then on a hat switch.

It's good, it's smooth and most of all, it's free. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

madsarmy
01-21-2004, 07:03 AM
--------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
That's the same as everyone else is seeing with "normal" hat view.
-----------------------------------------
Sure is!
There seems to be a big mythe that TIR gives you super view.
The plus side with TIR it frees up your hat. Which I have programed for radiator,prop pitch & flaps etc. Gives you two hands free for throttle and stick. No more fumbling around in the heat of battle hitting wrong keys on your keyboard.

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BaldieJr
01-21-2004, 07:03 AM
I disable sound and never looked back.

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LeadSpitter_
01-21-2004, 08:18 AM
I dont think it is. FB has the worst sound engine out of anyflightsim made since the early 80s should be the question

I use headphones, it does help somewhat but the gunfire you hear so loud thats across the map basically interfears with hearing a plane on your 6 so its not that much as an advantage, also flying over a downed aircraft you hear the engine sound even if your at 7000m above where the plane crashed it it gets you looking around like crazy.

The way the sound engine is made in synth tones that can never sound like a real engine is the problem, if you see any videos made by the comunity that dub correct sounds in, it makes fb look 100 times better. Sound is extremely important in flight sims.

The trackir betas now thats a cheat to me becuase you can look left or right in 360 degrees where others cant

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oFZo
01-21-2004, 08:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nixon-fiend.:
Jeez, this little elitist thinks he's a demi-god cos he does the fr dance.

Sickening.

Not wanting to hijack the thread.. but hell, he knew what the responses would be! It seems more like an opportunity to advertise the fact that he is, in fact, a 'higher being' owing to his 'superior' settings.

Don't use that tone in here pilgrim.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Feel free to interpret it that way, I didn't.
I see it as two different styles of playing and he wants advice from people playing it his style.

Back to headphones:
I think it's rediculous, I should use my speakers and wake the whole house up when playing with people overseas instead of being silent with my headphones? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
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BpGemini
01-21-2004, 09:09 AM
I don't care if they call me a cheat for using headphones.
I have two kids and if they're sleeping I have my headphones on for obvious reasons.
If someone has a problem with that they can get the feck out of my server.

On the other hand, when my headphones are off I can stil hear the planes coming in from behind me (the beauty of surround sound). Plus I think it differs from setting to setting and soundcard to soundcard.

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LilHorse
01-21-2004, 09:13 AM
I use headphones because I play late at night and don't want to wake the wife and kids. And, no they aren't a cheat (ridiculous).

As for what could be heard outside the cockpit of a WWII fighter when the engine is running, the answer is almost nothing. The only thing you heard was the roar of your engine and you could hear/feel the rattle of your guns. But even that was low by comparison to the engine. Perhaps (just perhaps) the only time one might hear another airplanes engine would be if it was literally a few feet above your canopy.

madsarmy
01-21-2004, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
heres lindablair screens

Thanks for that LeadSpitter.
If people are using that for TIR then I could not agree more it is a major advantage & I would call it a cheat.

These people are only cheating themselves.If I could not play fair I would not play at all.

Yeah! FB has the worst sound of any game I've played in many years. It's the only major gripe I have with this sim.

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crazyivan1970
01-21-2004, 10:25 AM
Oh man... GK you are not serious are ya.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif All it takes is low throttle to 50% or less and your pretty much silent http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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BpGemini
01-21-2004, 10:26 AM
Just to clarify. I wasn't aware that others couldn't hear the planes behind them.

This is an example of what I hear.
Let's say you have a surround sound stereo system in your living room. You put a song on and crank it up. You get used to what that sounds like. Then someone puts the same stereo system in the next room. They put the same song on and turn the volume to the same level. The sound in the living room is suddenly different, you can't isolate the other sound but you can tell. That's kind of what hearing another plane behind me is like in IL-2 and FB. Furthermore, the different planes would be like changing the equalizer on one of ther stereo systems in the example. In other words (for those who can't hear behind them and are wondering), it's not clear as day but a trained ear can hear it, at least for me. After a while you can tell which type of plane it is in some cases.

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JG27_Dacripler
01-21-2004, 10:50 AM
What are they crazy? Saying you cheat because of a 15 dollar set of headphones , LOL.. (hint, I know about 90% of my friends that fly with headphones on only not to wake their spouses up from playing this game) Nope , Headphones in my view is not cheating at all

Xnomad
01-21-2004, 10:51 AM
This topic is history as 1.22 has changed the sound

x6BL_Brando
01-21-2004, 11:30 AM
I'd thought that Linda Blair view was gone...several TiR driver-upgrades past. I use TiR, headphones, RW, rudder pedals, HOTAS, macro-commands and whatever will give me the best chance of surviving a mission. But I don't see myself as a cheat, and I'll stand by that.

People who are cheats by nature will always do it, and maybe detecting aircraft by sound is not a real-life possibility, but's hardly a reason to suggest that headphone-wearers are "cheating" Actually it sounds like a load of bollox to me....headphones would be the last way of working it out, cos a good 6-channel has much more accuracy anyway if that's required.

Likewise, the best, smoothest drivers for TiR came out a lot later than the LB's and I wouldn't go back for the sake of a 360o view.

It is worth thinking about this: the human brain is tuned to pick up extra, strange sounds even against a noisy background...it's a survival instinct....while the sound of say a V12 with six-inch exhausts is damned loud. OK, you are sitting behind one..but I still think you might hear a "foreign" engine and sense the difference. I don't think that would necessarily save you, 'cos the other plane would be damned close, but you might be able to snap-roll out before sustaining vital damage and I don't see that as cheating. Hitting print screen would be though, it's a matter of intention.

Here's a foul trick that I really dislike. You get in a dogfight and you get the better of your opponent after a hard fight - you manage to smoke him, and you get into a good killing position, then the scumbag hits Esc and leaves the sky, leaving you without any points to show for your efforts. As far as I can see, it's so that this Hero doesn't have to have a kill against him shown in the chat box. That sucks in a big way. But anyone who can get their rocks off like that, in a computer game, just needs to get a life.

For the poll - wearing headphones is not cheating, but not wearing them would be grounds for divorce!

GoodKn1ght
01-21-2004, 12:18 PM
YES DISREGARD THIS POST. THEY FIXED IT. PRAISE JESUS.

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310th Falcon
01-21-2004, 04:29 PM
Ear phones are NOT a Cheat. Please!!!

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T_O_A_D
01-21-2004, 08:00 PM
Yeh I thought Linda was dead too.

It took me a bit to find it but here is my old thread on it. I edidted my previous post to include it aswell just so you know I loosing my mind and posting twice on your Poll.

Linda Blair view (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=16210893&p=1)

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131st_Toad's Squad link (http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/index.htm)
My TrackIR fix, Read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)
2.11 drivers (http://home.mchsi.com/~131st-vfw/NaturalPoint_trackIR_2_11.exe)
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BM357_Raven
01-21-2004, 08:09 PM
perhaps you were in a "NO HEADPHONES" game or "ABNORMAL ACCUSATIONS" game.. The later is becoming more popular these days.

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