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Istreliteli
02-29-2004, 08:53 PM
If anyone knows anything eventful the soviet navy did in WWII, i would be grateful. Any info on the russian A/C Krasnaya Ploshad? I heard it went down swinging in like 42/43, probably leningrad front. not sure.

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Istreliteli
02-29-2004, 08:53 PM
If anyone knows anything eventful the soviet navy did in WWII, i would be grateful. Any info on the russian A/C Krasnaya Ploshad? I heard it went down swinging in like 42/43, probably leningrad front. not sure.

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Agamemnon22
02-29-2004, 10:07 PM
Not a hell of a lot. What could they do? They weren't at war with Japan (for once) and the Nazis cut off most sea access. Several cruisers helped out with the defense of Leningrad, including their newest and biggest battleship the name of which escapes me at the moment. Don't forget, the wars and skirmishes with Japan had taken their toll on the Russian Navy, and it wasn't in so great a shape. There was a lot of Russian shipping involved in the Pacific Lend-Lease routes through Japanese controlled territory (and the Japanese dared not touch them lest Russia declare war).

I'm sure some was involved in the Finnish campaign, that would just make sense to me, though I don't know any particular details.

uberweng
02-29-2004, 10:38 PM
The history of the soviet navy in the seond world war is very interesting. They were involved in an number of evacutions of soviet forces isolated in coastal positions. In the south the russians managed to amass superior naval forces and used them to shell german forces in the crimea. For a good description of the soviet naval operations in the south from a german soldiers perspective you should read "In deadly combat". Unfortunatly, despite superior numbers, the soviet navy was unable to play a really significant role in the south due to extreme caution of the naval commander of this region in the first years of the war. I think his caution has been attributed to fear of german air power (see "stopped at stalingrad"). i dont know much about naval activity in the north. There were some groups active on Lake Ilmen and the other major lakes in the north. David Glantz book "battle for leningrad" mentions many raids and attacks on islands in the lakes held by germans. Russian naval commandos also carried out a number of interesting operations, some of which are described in "blood on the shores", an autobiography by a soviet naval commando.

I am sorry for any mistakes as this was written from memory, i am studying early modern military history at the moment so my WW2 books are packed away (too distacting).

Uberweng

Bartsimpson-
03-01-2004, 02:39 AM
If anyone knows anything eventful the royal navy did in WWII, i would be grateful. Any info on the atlanic /meditaranean, I heard it went down swinging in like 42/43, probably off malta not sure.

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horseback
03-01-2004, 08:33 AM
Bart -

The RN did go down swinging, but it went down under a pile of US Navy press releases, nothing to do with the Italian or German military activities at the time. Survivors were reported to have dived back under the all the paper after getting a dirty look from ADM Ernest King.

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p1ngu666
03-01-2004, 08:43 AM
the royal navy?
they evacutated troops... they wanted the admeral to stop but he went back again anyways.
he said it takes 300years to bulid a tradition, but only 3years to bulid a ship. im going back

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Cossack_UA
03-01-2004, 08:47 AM
There were several great naval operations on the Eastern front, but they didn't get as much publicity as arial and ground operations.
militera.lib.ru has several books on Soviet Navy during WWII, but they are in Russian.

MandMs
03-01-2004, 08:48 AM
The Soviet Navy was active in the Black Sea and on the major rivers(small boats with T-34 turrets).



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03-01-2004, 09:37 AM
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MandMs
03-01-2004, 09:40 AM
A RN link

http://www.naval-history.net/index.htm



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Zyzbot
03-01-2004, 11:37 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Istreliteli:
If anyone knows anything eventful the soviet navy did in WWII, i would be grateful.

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Well...they sank the Wilhelm Gustloff ...considered to be one of the largest (if not THe largest) losses of life at see.

x6BL_Brando
03-01-2004, 12:02 PM
"If anyone knows anything eventful the royal navy did in WWII, i would be grateful. Any info on the atlanic /meditaranean, I heard it went down swinging in like 42/43, probably off malta not sure."

Like most navies in WW2 the RN lost a fair number of capital ships early on in the game - but the smaller craft, destroyers, frigates & the like served admirably in dozens, if not hundreds of small actions from the start. Air superiority rendered battleships almost obsolete at the start of WW2 .... but a Navy is not measured on capital ships alone. Significant naval actions? Research the hunt for the Graf Spee, the Dieppe raids, Narvik, Dunkirk, the Russian convoys, the Ark Royal and so on. Have fun, you've got a big read ahead of you. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

horseback
03-01-2004, 01:07 PM
Seriously, if you're looking for a good account of the Battle of the Atlantic from the perspective of the RN, read the novel "The Crule Sea" by Nicholas Monsorrat(sp?). Helluva good read, historically accurate (the author was an officer assigned to a 'Flower' class corvette during the war). It was also made into a pretty fair movie back in the '50s starring Jack Hawkins, I believe.

OMG! We've just hijacked the Red Navy thread!

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JG26Red
03-01-2004, 02:19 PM
when i hear russian navy and WW2 the only thing i can think of is the ...Wilhelm Gustloff, the General Steuben and the Goya

Capt._Tenneal
03-01-2004, 02:23 PM
Or Rudel and the sinking of the "Marat".

Vladimir_No2
03-01-2004, 02:34 PM
WHAT DID THE ROYAL NAVY DO? WHAT!?! Bismark, Graf Spee, Norway, Battle of the Atlantic, Mediterranian, Pacific. What didn't the Royal Navy do? BISMARK BISMARK BISMARK!!!!

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eiffel68
03-01-2004, 02:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Istreliteli:
If anyone knows anything eventful the soviet navy did in WWII, i would be grateful. Any info on the russian A/C Krasnaya Ploshad? I heard it went down swinging in like 42/43, probably leningrad front. not sure.

The king called up his jet fighters, he said you better earn your pay; drop your bombs between the minarets, down the casbah way...- Yeah its Another Clash Fanatic<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Soviet Navy had three WW1-era dreadnoughts at the start of the Great Patriotic War.

Two have supported the Red Army in the defense of Leningrad( the Marat as a floating battery after the Luftwaffe attack that had temporary sunk her in september 1941)until the end of the siege.

Another the Parizhkaya Kommuna has provided gunfire support to the Red Army's coastal operations in the Black Sea (1941-42).

The Soviet Naval Aviation has made some air strikes against Berlin and some German bases.
And also,it has probably taken part in the sinking of the German flak ship, check view objects in FB for more details.

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/images/antn45.jpg

[This message was edited by eiffel68 on Mon March 01 2004 at 03:12 PM.]

Kampfmeister
03-01-2004, 09:09 PM
I don't think I can add too much more from what has already been mentioned. The Red navy's operations on the Black Sea appear to be their greatest contribution to the war.

However if I'm not mistaken, the Soviets actually had the largest submarine fleet in existence at the time the war started. Larger than Germany, Britian, Japan, or the United States. Unfortunately, they accomplished little until the final months of the war, where they were involved in trying to stop the Germans from escaping besieged Danzig. As has been mentioned previously, their exploits did not paint a particularly glorious chapter in history. The sinkings of the Wilhelm Gustloff, General von Steuben, and the SS Goya killed some 15,000 people, most of whom were civilian refugees or wounded soldiers. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Paul_K
03-01-2004, 10:15 PM
What did the Royal Navy do ?? That's like asking 'Did anyone bomb Japanese cities?' Go to a library ( place full of books ) and find a book ( square thing with lots of paper in between two covers ) with 'Royal Navy in WW2' written on it. In the meantime, here's a list off the top of my head:

Operation Dynamo (evacuation of BEF at Dunkirk)
Battle of the River Plate ( sinking of Graf Spee )
Battle of the Atlantic ( 1939-1945)
Cape Matapan
Taranto
Evacuation of Crete
The Malta convoys
Battle of North Cape ( sinking of the Scharnhorst)
Hunting and sinking of the Bismark
Did I mention the Battle of the Atlantic ?
Narvik
The Murmansk convoys
The Prince of Wales & Repulse sunk by Japanese bombers off Malaya.
Actions involving ships like HMS Gloworm ( a solitary destroyer against a battleship ), X-Craft against the Tirpitz and Takeo, Eugene Esmond's suicidal attack against the 'Channel Dash'
And the British Pacific Fleet, which I admit didn't contribute a fat lot until late in the day. However, because of the Admiralty's insistance that carriers should operate as part of a big-gun battle fleet and therefore required armoured flight-decks, they were very resistant to kamikaze attacks. A stroke of good luck rather than a cunning plan, but HM carriers stayed operational off Okinawa while their gallant USN cousins were put out of action for a little while longer.

[This message was edited by Paul_K on Mon March 01 2004 at 09:27 PM.]

darkhorizon11
03-02-2004, 12:07 AM
It Sank.

Bartsimpson-
03-02-2004, 12:11 AM
Thought i'd get a lot of bites , i suppose you could say i'm trolling the posts again , but thanks all for your present and futher replies .

BTW my father served on carriers namely H.M.S Venerable in british pacfic fleet 43-45 , he versed me well on on many R/N operations upto early 46 so i have a personal interest on this topic .

Thanks.

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Eagle_361st
03-02-2004, 01:01 AM
Can anyone tell me what happened at Midway? I am dying to know. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Aaron_GT
03-02-2004, 06:30 AM
"If anyone knows anything eventful the royal navy did in WWII"

Trying typing

"Graf Spee River Plate"

into google.

Also look at things like Malta, the RN
control of the Med through the majority
of the war, actions in the far east,
including carrier borne attacks by Firefly
aircraft of the FAA on Japan in 1945

Aaron_GT
03-02-2004, 06:32 AM
Btw a great uncle of mine was in the RN
in the Med. Survived his ship being torpedoed
and sunk. (Not sure which ship).

MandMs
03-02-2004, 06:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Btw a great uncle of mine was in the RN
in the Med. Survived his ship being torpedoed
and sunk. (Not sure which ship).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cruisers lost in the Med

BONAVENTURE (5,450t, 24/5/40) Sunk by U-boat, torpedoes, S of Crete, 41/03/31

CAIRO (AA ship, 4,200t, 1919) Sunk by U-boat, torpedo, off Bizerta, Tunis, 42/08/12

CALCUTTA (AA ship, 4,200t, 1919) Sunk by aircraft, bombs, during evacuation of Crete, 41/06/01

CALYPSO (4,180t, 1917) Sunk by U-boat torpedo, S of Crete, 40/06/12

COVENTRY (AA ship, 4,290t, 1918) Sunk by dive bombers, E Mediterranean, 42/09/14

FIJI (8,000t, 17/5/40) Sunk by aircraft, bombs, during evacuation of Crete, 41/05/22

GALATEA (5,220t, 1935) Sunk by U-boat, torpedo, off Alexandria, 41/12/14

GLOUCESTER (9,600t, 31/1/39) Sunk by aircraft, bombs, during evacuation of Crete, 41/05/22

HERMIONE (5,450t, 25/3/41) Sunk by U-boat, torpedo, E Mediterranean, 42/06/16

MANCHESTER (9,400t, 1938) Sunk by E-boat, torpedo, off Kelibia Roads, Tunisia, 42/08/13

NAIAD (5,450t, 24/7/40) Sunk by U-boat, torpedo, E Mediterranean, 42/03/11

NEPTUNE (7,175t, 1934) Sunk by mine off Tripoli, Libya, 41/12/19

PENELOPE (5,270t, 1936) Sunk by U-boat, torpedeo, Anzio area, W Italy, 44/02/18

SOUTHAMPTON (9,100t, 1937) Sunk by dive bombers, E of Malta, 41/01/11

SPARTAN (5,770t, 10/8/43) Sunk by aircraft, glider-bomb, off Anzio, W Italy, 44/01/29

YORK (8,250, 1930) Lost at Suda Bay, Crete after damage on various dates by explosive motor boats and aircraft, 41/05/22

from the link on pg 1



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Bartsimpson-
03-02-2004, 07:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eagle_361st:
Can anyone tell me what happened at Midway? I am dying to know. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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What happend at midway ?

the garrison at midway were busy sending out radio messages stating - "Were running out of fresh water" "Please send fresh water" .

Bart.

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