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NorrisMcWhirter
05-01-2004, 06:42 AM
Hi,

I introduced a mate of mine to Il-2 and he's just past the standard beginner phase of

"...but I can't even take off without turning to the right..."
"...I stall all the time..."
"...I can't hit anything..."

I've been through the usual rigmarole of suggesting bombers with no ammo etc and he's managing to take off and shot large targets down ok.

Now, the next stage, is to learn to fly properly.

Is there a fairly comprehensive online tutorial (preferably with pics and one where you don't have to get hold of Matlab to process the mathematical elements!) on flying?

I'm particularly thinking in terms of:

a. Basic flying - turns, climbs etc.
b. More advanced flying - coordinated turns, stall/spin recovery etc
c. Combat flying/aerobatics

With my flying over the last few weeks, it wouldn't go amiss for me to read it, either.

Any suggestions? A one-stop shop would be preferable but some good links would also suffice.

Cheers,
Norris

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NorrisMcWhirter
05-01-2004, 06:42 AM
Hi,

I introduced a mate of mine to Il-2 and he's just past the standard beginner phase of

"...but I can't even take off without turning to the right..."
"...I stall all the time..."
"...I can't hit anything..."

I've been through the usual rigmarole of suggesting bombers with no ammo etc and he's managing to take off and shot large targets down ok.

Now, the next stage, is to learn to fly properly.

Is there a fairly comprehensive online tutorial (preferably with pics and one where you don't have to get hold of Matlab to process the mathematical elements!) on flying?

I'm particularly thinking in terms of:

a. Basic flying - turns, climbs etc.
b. More advanced flying - coordinated turns, stall/spin recovery etc
c. Combat flying/aerobatics

With my flying over the last few weeks, it wouldn't go amiss for me to read it, either.

Any suggestions? A one-stop shop would be preferable but some good links would also suffice.

Cheers,
Norris

================================================== ==========

: Chris Morris - Blue Jam :
http://cabinessence.cream.org/

: More irreverence :
http://www.tvgohome.com/

: You've seen them... :
www.chavscum.co.uk (http://www.chavscum.co.uk)

steve_v
05-01-2004, 06:55 AM
Fighting for your life: A Practical guide to online dogfighting.
http://webpages.charter.net/Stick_Fiend/FYL/FYLindex.htm

michapma
05-01-2004, 08:03 AM
Tailspin's Tales:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/Tailspin/index.htm
Look under Basics.

My guide has some of what he's looking for, though it's STILL not finished or even been updated... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/download.htm

Also, for engine management:
http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/cemguide/intro.htm

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DONB3397
05-01-2004, 08:15 AM
This is helpful. I've been in sims for many years, and IL2 from the beginning. But I don't have the time to fly every day, and much of the information in these sites reminds me of the nuances and refinements possible with this sim. Thanks for posting them.

[This message was edited by DONB3397 on Sat May 01 2004 at 07:23 AM.]

NorrisMcWhirter
05-01-2004, 10:48 AM
Hi,

Thanks for the links...Some of these are quite familiar but I lost my bookmarks and didn't turn them up on a search. Must have used the wrong words in google...as I kept turning up the stick and rudder book!

Thanks again,
Norris

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: More irreverence :
http://www.tvgohome.com/

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609IAP_Recon
05-01-2004, 12:12 PM
Stick and Rudder is an EXCELLENT book.

Salute!

IV/JG51_Recon

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Maxhome
05-01-2004, 03:31 PM
This is an interesting subject.

The point has been made, that we all tend to go through the "stalled again! Eeek!" stage. I for one did. I learned, eventually, that one has to treat the stick with respect, and yanking won't do.

What I wonder is this: how did those brave flyboys know this? Many were in the air, dogfighting, with fewer hours logged than we can manage in a weekend on the PC. Yet they (some) survived.

Any thoughts?

Fwiw, I suspect there is a GPL-alike issue going on here. The sim is actually rather harder than the "real thing", because of the lack of physical feedback, peripheral vision, GForces, and so on.

Either that, or there were a few thousand pilots who crashed out in their first ever trip down the runway for takeoff, but never made the history books http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Chuck_Older
05-01-2004, 04:02 PM
Don't forget that a real pilot-in-training was not allowed to just hop into a front line fighter and fire it up.

They took a lot of training.

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