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FI-Aflak
02-17-2004, 08:39 PM
http://tailslide.firelight.dynip.com/f15wing.asp

My uncle told me of this. I didn't believe him. He emailed this to me.

Un-f**cking-believable.

FI-Aflak
02-17-2004, 08:39 PM
http://tailslide.firelight.dynip.com/f15wing.asp

My uncle told me of this. I didn't believe him. He emailed this to me.

Un-f**cking-believable.

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02-17-2004, 10:00 PM
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-HH-Dubbo
02-17-2004, 11:40 PM
What he said. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Holy C@#p!!


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Triscadec
02-17-2004, 11:42 PM
LOL. Not this again. This story gets posted on so many aviation sites. It's a good read none the less.

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Maj_Death
02-18-2004, 12:08 AM
Old news but good read. Wingless flight isn't anything new though. Just take a look at the F-104 and Mig-21, all those wings do is provide a place to stick the ailerons and missles. Most fighters from 1950 onwards are built on the theory that if you just stick a big enough engine on it you can make ANYTHING fly.

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Korolov
02-18-2004, 01:59 AM
Mostly because nobody gives a rats @$$ about loiter times and that sort of thing these days. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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F19_Ob
02-18-2004, 02:15 AM
Yesterday I happily dewinged a 109 (both wings) in my rata.
I thought Ill test if it would fly like a rocket without the extra weight, but it didnt.
Perhaps I hit the pilot?

Capt.LoneRanger
02-18-2004, 02:25 AM
Maj_Death wrote:
Old news but good read. Wingless flight isn't anything new though. Just take a look at the F-104 and Mig-21, all those wings do is provide a place to stick the ailerons and missles. Most fighters from 1950 onwards are built on the theory that if you just stick a big enough engine on it you can make ANYTHING fly.

LOL! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

Just because some wings don't have the thickness and shape of WW2 planes, doesn't acutally mean the wings are not needed to fly! However, the lower the weight and the higher the speed, the less lift is needed, resulting in pure power holding the a/c in the air. That is something completely different from flying with one wing, only!

Instead, F15, F14, many Sovjet fighters like Mig29, Su33 and many more, that are designed as air superiority fighters, don't only use the wings for lift, but also the whole fuselage, as it is formed to provide lift. That is to have better perfomance in lower speeds, turns and maneuverability. To simplify: It is far more difficult to stall these planes out.
So, ripping a wing off, removes actually only a percentage of airlift from the a/c. It is still unbalanced and will probably drop or spin at lower speed, when the AOA get's higher, but with higher speeds, they should still be able to stay in the air, if there's no additional damage to hydraulics and other systems.

The only a/c designed to fly with 50% wings is the A10.


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-HH-Dubbo
02-18-2004, 03:34 AM
This pic always amazed me. I have no info on it though. Anyone?
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/avengera.jpg


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Rajvosa
02-18-2004, 03:39 AM
About the picture above!

This Avenger was hit and damaged by flak. Pilot brought it to base in this shape. However as soon as he lowered the undercarriage, he lost control and the plane crashed.

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nixon-fiend.
02-18-2004, 03:46 AM
^ how gutted would you be!?

Spy17
02-18-2004, 03:51 AM
http://www.usrcjc.org/photogallery/F-18_mid/F-18_mid01.jpg

http://www.usrcjc.org/photogallery/F-18_mid-air.htm

Capt.LoneRanger
02-18-2004, 04:37 AM
In the Mighty8th-AitForce-Museum, there was a veteran, that told me the the story from 2 B17s colliding in MidAir. They got too close during formation flight and the one bumped under the other B17. The upper B17 was damaged, badly, bot able to pull up and get away from the lower one. However, the hunchbacks made it back to home safely, though they lost 2 engines during the crash.
I'll try to find if the pics are online, they'd there.


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Covino
02-18-2004, 07:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dubbo2:
This pic always amazed me. I have no info on it though. Anyone?
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I read that this plane hit a chimney or smoke stack during a run and made it back to the carrier and the whole crew survived. Not sure if they landed, ditched, or bailed though.

noshens
02-18-2004, 07:55 AM
I hope we'll be able to fly with half of wing in BoB. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JarheadEd
02-18-2004, 08:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dubbo2:
This pic always amazed me. I have no info on it though. Anyone?
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This pic is in James Brady's book Flyboys. He has it documented as being mid aired by another stricken Avenger while attacking Chichi Jima. While out of control the pilot ordered his crew to bail, they did, and he then recovered the aircraft. He then returned to the boat and ,...I dont remember if he diched or took the hook,..but he made it. The crew were captured. As I recall it from the book.

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Infol
02-18-2004, 08:13 AM
amaizing!
next time this guy will be probably landing with no wings http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Serval_EAF310
02-18-2004, 08:29 AM
That's three stories on one Avenger, but judging from the damage on the top of the fuselage, the last one seems most logical to me. I'd say that nor flak, nor a chimney would do such damage.

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Dash_8
02-18-2004, 09:36 AM
Another story of an aircraft missing part of a wing still making it back.

On June 28, 1965, Pan Am flight 843, a Boeing 707, experienced an explosion of its outboard right engine. What was left of the number 4 engine fell off the B707 and the ensuing fire burned 28 feet of the right wing off.

The planed diverted to nearby Travis Air Force Base and made a safe landing with one wing being 28 feet shorter than the other!

Gato-Loco
02-18-2004, 11:36 AM
I landed a Hurricane with half a wing missing (in FB of course!)

aerick2
02-18-2004, 12:57 PM
There aren't any pictures of it that I'm aware of, but in Rob Johnson's book Thunderbolt! he spoke of a P-47 that hit a phone pole while on a ground attack mission and CUT IT IN HALF WITH HIS WING! He returned to base with a chunk of the pole imbedded in his wing, but no other damage.

VF-17_Jolly
02-18-2004, 04:06 PM
This is not a collision but.......
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Stories1/001-100/0014_F-14_Convertible/story0014.htm

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xenomage2000
02-18-2004, 04:08 PM
Lol, not a collision but just as bad as far as human error goes... Co-pilot must have had a fun ride home...

reload2000
02-18-2004, 04:18 PM
amazing

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FI-Aflak
02-18-2004, 05:25 PM
I've also read about an F-16 that got its canopy torn off over Afghanistan or Iraq or something.

What happened is that in a midair refueling, the fuel line got stuck in the F-16. The desicion was to try to pull it out, but the line stayed stuck in the Falcon and broke off from the tanker. It shattered the cockpit, but the pilot made it to a friendly base with a fuel line in tow. Aparently, as soon as wind noise dropped low enough for him to talk, his line was "Its a convertable."

darkhorizon11
02-18-2004, 06:12 PM
Damn I'd hate to see what this guy is capable of with two wings.

SKIDRO_79FS
02-18-2004, 09:18 PM
There are a number of stories from WW2 of aircraft coming home in a condition that should have rendered them unflyable. I've seen pics of several P-38s recently on this board that had either collided with trees or phone poles. Jack Ilfrey brought a P-38 home from Berlin with 4 feet of one wing missing thanks to a mid-air collision with a Bf109 - his 8th and final kil, BTW. Over North Africa he was heavily shot up and brought his P-38F home with over 250 holes in it and the left boom still barely attached.
As well, I am sure most everyone has viewed the pics of the B-17 that was nearly cut in two yet made it home and the many other Flying Forts that came back minus noses.