View Full Version : POLL - Best Joystick Company

02-19-2004, 03:39 PM

02-19-2004, 03:39 PM

02-19-2004, 03:47 PM
I have an X45. But I voted TM.

Because I still have my old Flight Control System Mark I. I don't know what to DO with it, but it's just too cool to trash. Started me on WWII combat sims, too. Plus I got into working on my own PCs because of it (needed a speed control game port http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif remember mucking with those things?)

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02-19-2004, 04:03 PM
Saitek, these things last forever. Logitech and Microsh*t break within a month. CH is ok but I havn't messed with them in 5 years. Been too hooked on my X-36/X-45. Having 4 hats is really nice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

The F7F Tigercat in Aces Over the Pacific is overmodeled.

02-19-2004, 06:11 PM
CH By far

02-19-2004, 08:40 PM
Without the Force Feedback, I am sensing that the CH joysticks will always fall second to Saitek, in particular considering the price !

02-19-2004, 09:36 PM
Let's see........

I've had a Saitek Cyborg and then a TM Cougar with CH Pro pedals. I liked the Saitek just fine until I could afford rudder pedals. It's a good inexpensive stick.

I'm very happy with my CH Pedals, very good performance for the money. I belive that I'd probably be happy with their Flight Stick and throttle but for the cost of both of them you could almost afford a cougar.

Since I'm on the subject, I would have liked my CH Pedals more if they were about 4-6 inches farther apart, and had more resistance (like some of the more expensive ones out their, more like a real airplane), but I'm used to them now and love them. I do wish I could find a second set of springs for the rudder pedals to give them more resistance, but have'nt been able to. Oops drifted off the subject there, but my point really was, it seems to me that CH makes reasonably good stuff.

The HOTAS cougar is one of the neatest things I've ever owned and I am very, very happy with it. With that said, I'd like to point out that I have spent a lot of time with it.

I have a friend who flies that has a Cougar, but does'nt really use all of it's programming features, but still loves the feel of it.

I have every IL2 command except for Pause and Chat (~) programmed to my Cougar. All of the Engine related commands (CEM also) are on the Throttle and all other commands are on the stick. Much easier to get used to.

I also have recently gotten a TrackIR2 and all of this together is incredible, but then again IL2FB is about the only sim I play.

If you are in a hurry, or just casually into IL2 then the Cougar is probably not for you. It takes a minor bit of maintence (clean pots every once in a while), and it always seems like I'm tweaking it a bit.

Last two things about why I like the Thrustmaster so much is that there is a great Webpage for support (Frugalsworld) which will tell you about all you need to know to do anything to a Cougar.


I broke one switch several months ago, emailed Thrustmaster for a replacement and they had it on my door in about 5 days AT NO CHARGE.

Hell I don't even get stuff I order and pay for online that fast.

In summary, the Thrustmaster Cougar is one of the greatest things you can buy for IL2 - IF IT IS PROGRAMMED TO SUIT YOUR NEEDS. There are many profiles that you can download and use but they were all unatural to me. If you don't want to fool things like this...don't buy it, keep reaching for the keyboard...


02-19-2004, 09:43 PM
Cougar all the way for me.

02-20-2004, 12:57 AM
I've owned Saitek, Thrustmaster, Microsoft and CH gear through my years in this hobby and I'd have to say CH rank the best for me. My favourite stick out of the lot would be the CH Force FX force feedback stick. It had plenty of features and the forcefeedback was great fun as I play mainly WWII sims. There is a poll being run by CH here (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=150) asking what product sim pilots would like to see next and a USB Force FX is one of the options there and has taken quite a lead. With Bob Church working on the software and CH's durable quality sticks IMO it's a combination that can't be beat.

02-20-2004, 03:18 AM
Don't buy a HOTAS Cougar unless you plan on spending 500$ for a modification to improve the stick to the point that it won't completely wear out in 6-8 months

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02-20-2004, 07:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maj_Death:
Saitek, these things last forever. Logitech and Microsh*t break within a month. CH is ok but I havn't messed with them in 5 years. Been too hooked on my X-36/X-45. Having 4 hats is really nice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

The F7F Tigercat in Aces Over the Pacific is overmodeled.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

then its odd how I have my Microssoft sidewinder precission2....for 3 years now......so just shutup.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


02-20-2004, 07:45 AM
voted for Thrustmaster - Cougar...best "feel" and closest to reality amongst today's flying equipment (even if there are some drawbacks, but not the ones mr. Carbonfreeze showed, I doubt he ever had cougar actually...i personally didn't have any problems with mine so far)

02-20-2004, 11:13 AM
Saitek for me, why? Well they're the only company on the list that caters to my every left handed whim, without having to pay over the odds for the joystick.

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02-20-2004, 11:22 AM
thrustmaster for me is great- cougar with a wcs11 throttle wired into a toebrake axis for prop pitch (and another pot for mixture on the other toebrake) - but that did mean i sort of trashed it- the keyboard emulator bord was u/s anyway after many years of (ab)use.
for wiring diag- frugalsworld is a goldmine and definately helped sway me into buying a cougar

02-20-2004, 12:07 PM
I'm posting here without voting only because I have no experience with any other than Microsoft. Even so, I think the results are pretty accurate, at least as far as MS showing the lowest. The MS FFB Sidewinder 2 is okay, but there's a lot of things about it that really bug me. One is the tendency to lose all centering force unless the FFB is active, and another is not being able to tailor the feedback specifics within one game. For example, I'd love to get rid of the awful repetitive knock-back I get whilst taxiing in FB, or at least tune it down.

Oh, and by the way, Howdy. I've been out of touch for about a month now due to the gubmint moving my stuff back stateside from Korea. S!

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02-20-2004, 12:15 PM
have both the cougar Hotas and saitek x45, need a decent layout for fb for the cougar, anyone got one?
Luuuuurve the Saitek

02-20-2004, 01:04 PM
I use the RD Forgotten Battles profile I grabbed from CougarWorld. I like it.

02-20-2004, 10:59 PM
Sorry guys, I know I posted this on the board already, but is it worth it to buy the cougar? I don't mind having to fiddle with it, and I plan on programming it, but I don't want to pay $250+ on something thats going to fall apart. Other than the cougar, is the saitek a good choice for a HOTAS setup?

02-20-2004, 11:08 PM
First off, I have a cougar. But I have an evenstrain mod with hall sensors. So it's not really the same stick anymore. It is the best stick you can get in it's current condition.

That required way too much money though. I'd have to say if I could do it all over again, I'd buy the top of the line CH setup BUT with simped rudder pedals instead of CH.

02-21-2004, 01:40 AM
Buy the Cougar. Sounds right for you. The electronic components are as good as anything else out there and the darn thing is made of metal.

Worst thing that happened to mine yet is I had to clean the pots. No big deal.

If I ever have time to upload my images to a site I'll post my setup for you. I've actually integrated my Cougar with Track IR2 so that Hat switch #1 recenters, turns head movement off/on and changes resolution.

Check out cougar.frugalsworld.com .... about everything I know about the Cougar is there.

Also check out www.txsquadron.com (http://www.txsquadron.com) and check out the forums. Many of those guys have Cougars, I think, and are happy with them.

I've had mine for, let's see 8 months or so and I recommend it over anything else for feel and programability.

If you can wade through Bios flashing, pot cleaning and things like that on frugalsworld then BUY IT.

So many guys don't know or care to work on their car, keep up their electronics or do anything themselves that I hesitate to recommend the Cougar to everyone. Everything eventually wears out...ON ALL THINGS. Pots, switches etc... On any other of the plastic cr@p, when the 'consumables' wear out, your'e left with a plastic piece of CR@P. On a Cougar, you have two big hunking pieces of metal that you can actually replace the switches and pots in and still have a great programmable controller left.

Anyway, If you can afford it, buy it. If you can't then I recommend the CH-Pro stuff. But like I said before...their stuff is plastic (read that as feels and flys like plastic... but it's much sturdier plastic than Saitek or MS) and by the time you've bought BOTH the throttle and joystick, you're not too far away from the price of a Cougar.

Talk to Cougar owners who have had theirs awhile and fly alot. If you spend a lot of time flying sims....get one...if you only fly sims every once in a while...it might not be worth it...

Good stuff costs money....simple fact of life, cr@p is cheap. Some people like cr@p. It's cool to them. Personal choice. Contrary to popular opinion, you normally don't get something for nothing.

Hope I helped........again I went throught the same process in about June of last year.....Best sim add on I've ever bought, with the second being TRACKIR2.
I'd give up my TRACKIR for the Cougar without a doubt, if I had to. The Cougar has a phenomal 8 way HAT that I can change views with and the TrackIR2, is after all made of PLASTIC....

[This message was edited by TexasGunslinger on Sat February 21 2004 at 12:51 AM.]