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Franzen
03-02-2004, 10:41 PM
Was looking at the development update and saw the Hawk-75. She's a pretty one. I noticed it looked like the Swedish plane(J22), a lot. Is there some sort of connection there? And also, will it ever be flyable? I really hope so.

Fritz

Franzen
03-02-2004, 10:41 PM
Was looking at the development update and saw the Hawk-75. She's a pretty one. I noticed it looked like the Swedish plane(J22), a lot. Is there some sort of connection there? And also, will it ever be flyable? I really hope so.

Fritz

necrobaron
03-03-2004, 12:15 AM
I'm not 100% sure, but I *think* the J22 is the Swedish designation for the Seversky P-35(older brother of the P-43 and P-47). The Hawk 75 is a Curtiss P-36. They look similar,but I don't believe they're "related" so to speak.

"Not all who wander are lost."

Rajvosa
03-03-2004, 12:33 AM
Ahem!

Let a Swede bring some clarification here. ;)

This is a SAAB J22

http://www.sunnersberg.com/images/j22.jpg

It is an indigenous Swedish design. Bores no relationtioship to either P-35 or P-36, except the engine. Was replaced by P-51 (J26) after the war.

And yes, Sweden had P-35 and its Italian copy, the Re 2000, in service at the same time as J22.

Regards,

Jasko

http://startrek.gamer.hr/trekologija/vrste/ljudi.4.gif

Rajvosa
03-03-2004, 12:34 AM
WTF - No images?!? No smileys???

Regards,

Jasko

http://startrek.gamer.hr/trekologija/vrste/ljudi.4.gif

necrobaron
03-03-2004, 12:36 AM
Ooops! Thanks for the corrections. What was the Swedish designation for the P-35?

"Not all who wander are lost."

Franzen
03-03-2004, 01:00 AM
I first saw the J22 on a website. The site had so many details and drawings. It looks like a very manueverable plane, don't know how the power is though. It's too bad it wasn't developed five years earlier than it was, then we'd have it in FB maybe. BTW, my last car was a SAAB. Still miss it.

Fritz

Rajvosa
03-03-2004, 01:03 AM
No problem!

About P-35 -

60 in service from 1940, designated J9

Re 2000

60 in service from 1940, designated J20

Hope this helps!

Regards,

Jasko

http://startrek.gamer.hr/trekologija/vrste/ljudi.4.gif

F19_Orheim
03-03-2004, 01:29 AM
The J22 has an interesting story:


http://www.canit.se/%7Egriffon/aviation/text/22ffvs.htm

F19_Olli72
03-03-2004, 05:43 AM
Personally, i like the J21 better...pusherprop rules ;)

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F19_Orheim
03-03-2004, 05:49 AM
yeah, typical SAAB construction. If you can make it differently, do it :D

robban75
03-03-2004, 05:52 AM
I believe that the J21 could be interesting to have in FB, appearantly it could give the Mustang a good run for its money!



When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

MandMs
03-03-2004, 06:08 AM
J9
serial nums.: 2101 - 2160

J20
serial nums.: 2301 - 2360

J22
serial nums.: 22001 - 22002, 22101 - 22280(J22-1), 22281 - 22298 J22-2)

"I believe that the J21 could be interesting to have in FB, appearantly it could give the Mustang a good run for its money!"

The J21 suffered from heavy controls and was prone to overheating.


The French Hawks gave the LW a rough time in 1940.

I eat the red ones last.

Rajvosa
03-03-2004, 06:15 AM
Originally posted by robban75:
I believe that the J21 could be interesting to have in FB, appearantly it could give the Mustang a good run for its money!



When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

Nah, as much as I'd love to believe so, I doubt it. J21 was very heavy on the controls and rather sluggish. There is a reason it was replaced by J26 Mustang as a fighter and redesignated A26, denoting it was used as an attack a/c.

A Swedish Sturmovik!

Regards,

Jasko

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robban75
03-03-2004, 06:20 AM
Originally posted by MandMs:
The J21 suffered from heavy controls and was prone to overheating.

Yes it had relatively heavy controls, but according to its pilots it could turn as well as a Mustang and it had a greater rate of climb. The Mustang was 10% faster. In a fight against the two, as always, the better pilot would prevail. The J21's biggest shortcomming was the DB engine, which indeed overheated too easily. Well, anyways this is how the Swedish pilots looked upon it.
The Mustang was the better plane either way.


When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

[This message was edited by robban75 on Wed March 03 2004 at 07:12 AM.]

Franzen
03-03-2004, 06:46 AM
But the J21 was prettier. (trying to wink)

Fritz

F19_Olli72
03-03-2004, 07:26 AM
All 'real' pilots knows its not the better plane that matters...



Its all about looking good in the coolest design wich is the J21 ;P



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Franzen
03-03-2004, 07:28 AM
Quote: All 'real' pilots knows its not the better plane that wins......

You are so right,......it's the pretty ones. :)

Fritz

robban75
03-03-2004, 08:15 AM
Too bad they didn't decide to build the J27, it'd be interesting to see how it would have performed. It was basically a combination of a Spit XIV and a P-51, so I guess it would have been quite impressive. But who knows?:)

http://members.chello.se/unni/D-9.JPG

When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

F19_Ob
03-03-2004, 08:47 AM
The mustangs and spits in swedish service was not only bought to replace the older planes in service.
The sweds got the mustangs from scrapyards in germany fairly cheap since they where going to be destroyed anyway, actually the americans needed the space and it was also cheaper to sell them to the sweds than destroy them.

The 3 main reasons to by p51 was
1 A tested reliable fighter
2 cheap to buy and transport
3 the range of the p51 finally a fighter for sweden.

Some spits were also bought and a few Mosquitos and even B17.



A very good book about the mustang (J26) in swedish service is " J26 Mustang" by Leif Hellstr├┬Âm. In swedish but with a 40pages english summary and lots of color and b/w photos.

robban75
03-03-2004, 09:16 AM
It's a great book for sure. I wish some skinners on this forum could take a look at it and make some skins!;)

http://members.chello.se/unni/D-9.JPG

When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!