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99th Obsidian
04-27-2004, 12:43 PM
OK, OK, the results of my earlier poll are overwhelming. Over 84% of those who replied to the "Who built your rig" poll built their own. So I'll build my own rig (with some help from you guys)

I plan to canabalize a Radeon 9600 graphics card and a 40GB 7200 HD and 17" monitor from my Gateway. I have a 10MB drive with 98 on it I could use for the OS but will probably get XP with the MOBO. I have a spare extra ethernet card, mouse and keyboard. Joystick, TIR, NostromoN52 all move from Gateway to new rig.

So that leaves:
-MOBO
-CPU (would prefer Intel 3.0 HT or better or equivalent AMD)
-Case and power supply
-RAM (512 ok but I'd prefer a Gig)
-CDROM/DVD
-Anything else?

Spend my dough! Please reply with your recommendations for the components I need to buy. If you have links to reputable online vendors include them too.

DUDE! I almost got a Dell. Lets see who saves me the most.

I know my way around the inside of a box since I partially built my own 256 back in the day and have been upgrading various OTS boxes since.

PS: Bear, when I get the parts in there'll be a 40 and some BBQ waiting for ya if you help me get it running.

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99th Obsidian
04-27-2004, 12:43 PM
OK, OK, the results of my earlier poll are overwhelming. Over 84% of those who replied to the "Who built your rig" poll built their own. So I'll build my own rig (with some help from you guys)

I plan to canabalize a Radeon 9600 graphics card and a 40GB 7200 HD and 17" monitor from my Gateway. I have a 10MB drive with 98 on it I could use for the OS but will probably get XP with the MOBO. I have a spare extra ethernet card, mouse and keyboard. Joystick, TIR, NostromoN52 all move from Gateway to new rig.

So that leaves:
-MOBO
-CPU (would prefer Intel 3.0 HT or better or equivalent AMD)
-Case and power supply
-RAM (512 ok but I'd prefer a Gig)
-CDROM/DVD
-Anything else?

Spend my dough! Please reply with your recommendations for the components I need to buy. If you have links to reputable online vendors include them too.

DUDE! I almost got a Dell. Lets see who saves me the most.

I know my way around the inside of a box since I partially built my own 256 back in the day and have been upgrading various OTS boxes since.

PS: Bear, when I get the parts in there'll be a 40 and some BBQ waiting for ya if you help me get it running.

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BaldieJr
04-27-2004, 12:46 PM
Go to www.newegg.com (http://www.newegg.com) and shop around. They offer user-reviews that make sense, thier prices are good, and thier return policy is extremely liberal.

I'd recomend an AMD system because you'll get better bang for your buck.

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BSS_Goat
04-27-2004, 12:50 PM
Send it to me in small unmarked bills and I'll send you a nice rig.

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hos8367
04-27-2004, 01:02 PM
If you want to save money, AMD is the way to go. The current overall favorite of AMD MBs is the ASUS A7N8X. With Nforce 2. Just start with the normal A7N8X (unless you need serial ATA, or want the SoundStorm), Get a case with a good power supply (antec and enermax are the most respected PS units). Get 512 or 1GB or RAM to match the MB (DDR2700 I believe). Grab whatever CDROM you want, then spend the rest of the dough on the CPU. And post this in community help next time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

horseback
04-27-2004, 09:16 PM
I've built rigs with both AMD and P4 processors, and had good success with Dragon and MSI mobos (haven't tried any other brands but ECS, and won't make THAT mistake again). Most mobos have built in sound and Ethernet, so if you're going to skip a quality sound card, look for a mobo w/ 5.1 or better sound system capability (you know you're gonna get better speakers some day, right?). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

AMD processors do give you more bang for your buck, but they also seem to run hotter. If you don't have good ventilation and AC, it could be a long summer. Regardless, get an extra exhaust fan for your case--that $20 will pay for itself many times over, even for a P4. And filters for the fan wouldn't kill you either. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

Make sure you get at least 512Mb of DDR RAM (someone's always got a half Gig stick of DDR on sale or with a healthy rebate). I've had good results with Kingston, PNY, and Corsair, although combining different brands can lead to compatibility problems.

Your case should come with at least a 350W power supply, probably higher. I got my cases at Frys' on the basis of cost, and haven't lost a power supply yet in three years of un-air conditioned use (sold one to a buddy who lives in El Cajon-a hot place in the summer). Just make sure you have a couple of built in fans (or places to put them), front USB ports and the right type of screw holes for your mobo ("You wanted one for an ATX board? Dude, we're gonna have to charge you a restocking fee."). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I bought a combo drive (DVD/CD/CD-R) and run my FB and other games on a regular 52X CD on one of my rigs, and it works well for me. The lower cost of the baseline CD drive offsets the slightly higher price of the combo drive, and I use the cheaper drive lots more, saving the high ticket item for when I actually need it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

As I warned you before, make sure you get and use your ESD strap (I've pushed electrons for over 25 years, and I know). A good reference book never hurts either. I used "Building PCs For Dummies," and I needed it more than once. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

cheers

horseback

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LW_Icarus
04-27-2004, 09:31 PM
3.0 p4 800mhz =270 bucks or so.
I would go with a mobo with an intel chipset.
I personally like the gigabyte 8ipe1000pro, I got it for 150 but have seen it cheaper.

that blows a big hole in your 500 dollar cap though.

I think you would still need at least 100 for memory, 70ish for a decent power supply, the rest could all come from your old rig for now, unfortunately you wont get an operating system with many boards that I have seen.

you cant go wrong with good name brands.

I am looking into an AMD machine next, I hear good things about them as far as gaming goes, and their prices are competitive with intel. kinda waiting to see if BTX becomes available.

PF_Talus
04-27-2004, 09:40 PM
If you want to go AMD and you are going to overclock, get a 2500+ or 2600+ mobile. They are around $100.00 and will overlcock well without as much heat as a regular Barton core AMD. These chips are the budget darlings right now.


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crazyivan1970
04-27-2004, 09:44 PM
This is how IL2/FB Rig should look like IMO:

Case.......$ 131 http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=370442
CDROM..$ 22 http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=121238
HDD.......$ 80 http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=101206-315006-1
Mem.......$199 http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80098-21
Mobo......$109 http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=240314
CPU.......$80 http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80170-R
Video......$199 http://ati.com/buy/traderebate/tradeup.html - turn in some old **** that you have.

All in all - 820 bucks


Spending more then that - pure crime, because all new goodies are coming. Note - this is building entire PC without reusing parts - if you have something to plug in - less money.

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TAGERT.
04-27-2004, 09:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Der_Doberman:
OK, OK, the results of my earlier poll are overwhelming. Over 84% of those who replied to the "Who built your rig" poll built their own. So I'll build my own rig (with some help from you guys)

I plan to canabalize a Radeon 9600 graphics card and a 40GB 7200 HD and 17" monitor from my Gateway. I have a 10MB drive with 98 on it I could use for the OS but will probably get XP with the MOBO. I have a spare extra ethernet card, mouse and keyboard. Joystick, TIR, NostromoN52 all move from Gateway to new rig.

So that leaves:
-MOBO
-CPU (would prefer Intel 3.0 HT or better or equivalent AMD)
-Case and power supply
-RAM (512 ok but I'd prefer a Gig)
-CDROM/DVD
-Anything else?

Spend my dough! Please reply with your recommendations for the components I need to buy. If you have links to reputable online vendors include them too.

DUDE! I almost got a Dell. Lets see who saves me the most.

I know my way around the inside of a box since I partially built my own 256 back in the day and have been upgrading various OTS boxes since.

PS: Bear, when I get the parts in there'll be a 40 and some BBQ waiting for ya if you help me get it running.

http://www.geocities.com/ken_holbert/obsidian99thsig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Dump it all into a new video card.. most bang for the buck

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TAGERT

Bearcat99
04-27-2004, 10:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Der_Doberman:
OK, OK, the results of my earlier poll are overwhelming. Over 84% of those who replied to the "Who built your rig" poll built their own. So I'll build my own rig (with some help from you guys)

I plan to canabalize a Radeon 9600 graphics card and a 40GB 7200 HD and 17" monitor from my Gateway. I have a 10MB drive with 98 on it I could use for the OS but will probably get XP with the MOBO. I have a spare extra ethernet card, mouse and keyboard. Joystick, TIR, NostromoN52 all move from Gateway to new rig.

So that leaves:
-MOBO
-CPU (would prefer Intel 3.0 HT or better or equivalent AMD)
-Case and power supply
-RAM (512 ok but I'd prefer a Gig)
-CDROM/DVD
-Anything else?

Spend my dough! Please reply with your recommendations for the components I need to buy. If you have links to reputable online vendors include them too.

DUDE! I almost got a Dell. Lets see who saves me the most.

I know my way around the inside of a box since I partially built my own 256 back in the day and have been upgrading various OTS boxes since.

PS: Bear, when I get the parts in there'll be a 40 and some BBQ waiting for ya if you help me get it running.

http://www.geocities.com/ken_holbert/obsidian99thsig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lets get together before you buy.... I have to go up to Dulles on Friday for a job interview..... I dont do 40s....Bass,Corona,Harp,St.Paulie Girl,Modello,Warstiener,Pilsner Urquell,Guiness or Fosters is my cup of...er uhhhh tea.

On the Ram,OS,HD and Mem I can help you there.. big time. Just get in touch with me BEFORE YOU SPEND ONE DIME. In fact check your email.. Ill give you my cell number.... call me tomorrow.

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CountFloyd__
04-28-2004, 12:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Der_Doberman:
OK, OK, the results of my earlier poll are overwhelming. Over 84% of those who replied to the "Who built your rig" poll built their own. So I'll build my own rig (with some help from you guys)

I plan to canabalize a Radeon 9600 graphics card and a 40GB 7200 HD and 17" monitor from my Gateway. I have a 10MB drive with 98 on it I could use for the OS but will probably get XP with the MOBO. I have a spare extra ethernet card, mouse and keyboard. Joystick, TIR, NostromoN52 all move from Gateway to new rig.

So that leaves:
-MOBO
-CPU (would prefer Intel 3.0 HT or better or equivalent AMD)
-Case and power supply
-RAM (512 ok but I'd prefer a Gig)
-CDROM/DVD
-Anything else?

Spend my dough! Please reply with your recommendations for the components I need to buy. If you have links to reputable online vendors include them too.

DUDE! I almost got a Dell. Lets see who saves me the most.

I know my way around the inside of a box since I partially built my own 256 back in the day and have been upgrading various OTS boxes since.

PS: Bear, when I get the parts in there'll be a 40 and some BBQ waiting for ya if you help me get it running.

http://www.geocities.com/ken_holbert/obsidian99thsig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm going to try a process of elimination here. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I assume your are looking for top gaming performance on a limited budget. I.e. no P4 Emergency Edition or AMD Fantasy Xpression CPU platforms that can perform good gaming, while rendering porno movies of crack *****s performing unnatural acts on livestock in your garage, because it's a legitmate business expense.
That leaves us with AMDs 64 bit XP 3400+ CPU.
Also considering this PC will not be a tax write-off, I assume you won't include an exotic water cooling solution that includes a 250 W saline refigeration unit, large green Tupperware bowl on top of your PC and long, cheap plastic hoses running to and from your beer fridge, that contain toxic fluids. In this case, the Gigabyte K8N motherboard is the top performer, if a trifle unsteady for sub-0 OCing and subject to barnacle growth in adverse conditions.
I expect the same economy applies to the chassis. So, instead of purchasing a swoopy living sculpture made of extruded aluminium and hewn from raw billet, but designed by a computational graphics artist using a well ventilated Mackintosh G5 and is, ultimately an abortion of thermal engineering, you will choose something more practical.

Assmuming this is correct, I answer your bullets thusly:
- Mainboard = Gigabyte K8N Pro. Note; you won't have to recycle your old ****box NIC with this board and it has a host of other goodies too.
- CPU = AMD 64 XP 3400+. Equal to, or better than "the champs" in gaming.
- Chassis = Just pick one that has good ventilation, both into and out of the chassis. This way you can run your fans at lower speed for better cooling and lower noise.
Don't be ashamed to buy a steel chassis. Aluminium is finer, but steel is real.
Just don't get a ****box with unfinished edges, or you'll end up bleeding all over the place, you won't know where the cuts came from, so you'll blame your cat, kick your dog and begin the screenplay for a sickly sweet Walt Disney animated feature starring Burt Reynolds and Melissa Etheridge. GAK!!!
- The power pack is the one part of your PC you should NEVER, EVER cheap out on. This is because, when a power pack packs it in, it can take a whole lot of other goodies with it. If all those other goodies are a day over warranty (and they will be), you will rue the day you bought your 5 cent POS PSU.
Consider some good old fashioned American muscle, with active power factor correction from PC Power and Cooling. If those are too accoustically agressive, perhaps a Nexus, or Enermax model will fit your bill.
- RAM is a no brainer. Mushkin 222 will help to make up for some of the productivity shortfalls of the socket 754 rig, but if you're very tight, Twinmos Twister can fit the bill.
- Optical drives? Personally, I like Lucky Goldstars because they're so well balanced and quiet.
I'll probably get roasted on this one by some 14 year old: i don't care if my drive rattles till it explodes cause I get to see Lara's tits one second sooner and if i don't then i have to do homework and mommy will turn off the lights and i have to play pup tent in the dark.
IMHO, when it's time to burn a full DVD, it's time to make a steamer, make a phone call, maybe even take the dog to the park. Either way, it's not time to sit and stare at the cathode ray tube, so one or two seconds of read/write speed does not have a significant impact on my lifestyle.
- Recycle your 10 GB HDD yourself. Don't donate it to your local school board, or library, or other public institution and make them eat the cost of recycling your unused ****.

[This message was edited by CountFloyd__ on Wed April 28 2004 at 12:07 AM.]

TgD Thunderbolt56
04-28-2004, 05:52 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif CountFloyd! HAHA

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GT182
04-28-2004, 07:23 AM
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Maj_Death
04-28-2004, 12:01 PM
Go to www.pricewatch.com (http://www.pricewatch.com) for a listing of the best prices. Do check the user ratings though, some of the companies that advertise there are a little less than honorable.

For $500 I suggest getting a $120 3ghz CPU, $100 Radeon 9600 Pro 128mb, $40 mobo if needed for compatability, and some more of your current RAM type (whatever that maybe). RAM is one of those things where having high speed isn't necassarly better. The actual performance difference between PC3000 and PC133 is almost non-existant.

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99th Obsidian
04-28-2004, 12:17 PM
Thanks to all who have posted useful suggestions. Someone on the forum recommended this website:

http://www.cyberpowersystem.com/highendsystem/a64e.asp?v=d#configurator_top

This is the system I'm considering buying. Yeah, yeah, I know I said I would build it myself but if somebody else will assemble then test and guarantee the components I select for less than me doing it then thats the way for me.

Turbo X-Infinity 420W Case (SILVER)
AMD ATHLON64 3000+ CPU
MSI K8T NEO FSR MB
512 MB PC3200 400MHz DDR MEMORY
80GB 7200 RPM ATA 100 HARD DRIVE
NONE - 2nd Hard Drive
NONE - Video Card
NONE - CD/DVD
ARTEC CD-RW 52X32X52 (SILVER)
NONE - MONITOR
3D WAVE ON-BOARD 5.1 SOUND CARD

This config priced out at $600. Everywhere else I checked cost more for the components alone (without assembly and warranty).

Whattaya think?

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CRSutton
04-28-2004, 12:40 PM
Heck I fix up a great rig for less than $100. First go to the junkyard and get an old boiler for about $20 Next you are gonna need about ten feet of copper tubing and an old washtub-$35 max. You will need a good propane burner-take one off an old grill. Wood works but needs tending. Then go to the farmers coop and get you about six bushels of wheat, rye and perhaps some potato skins. Now you are ready to go to work. You got a great rig together and can make some excellent sour mash for less than $100 dolla.......Um, wait a minute. Are you talking about computers?

westcoastphil
04-28-2004, 01:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
This config priced out at $600. Everywhere else I checked cost more for the components alone (without assembly and warranty).

Whattaya think?

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I didn't see it, but is the OS added in as well.

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Slick750
04-28-2004, 06:17 PM
AMD xp2500
MSI K7N2 delta
DDR 400 ..a 512 stick
...just go in bios and run it 200 FSB
CHEAPEST WAY TO GET A XP3200.