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harold x
06-22-2004, 04:55 AM
Iam having difficulty trimmimg planes with my cirrent keyboard. I do not get a response when use the default settings for trimming. Is my faulty ketboard or does anyone else hav the same problem.

H

harold x
06-22-2004, 04:55 AM
Iam having difficulty trimmimg planes with my cirrent keyboard. I do not get a response when use the default settings for trimming. Is my faulty ketboard or does anyone else hav the same problem.

H

Tully__
06-22-2004, 04:59 AM
Which aircraft are you flying? Some aircraft (Bi-1, I-16 and others) have no trim controls, most German fighter aircraft and a few allied aircraft have only elevator trim.

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Sarpedon688
06-22-2004, 05:04 AM
What planes are you trying to fly? Is this a problem with all the trims or just one or two because some planes have only elevator trims while some have rudder and aileron as well. From memory (i could be wrong)some of the very early planes don't even have elevator trims. Also are you pressing the key just once or multipule times because it takes a lot of presses to se any difference. Personally I think if your keyboard is working for the rest of the commands then one of these factors is likely to be your solution.

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harold x
06-22-2004, 05:04 AM
iam currently flying p51& P4OE. How do i trim plane whistt flying. Difficult task.

H

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Sarpedon688
06-22-2004, 05:31 AM
Allright I'm not familar with the US planes myself. I normally fly Russian but I just tested them out for you. The P-51 Has elevator, rudder and aileron trim for all marks same with the two marks of the P-40E assuming your keyboards working which it probibly is I'd say your problem is not pressing the keys enough times. The trim is not instantanious so it will take some time to see the effects - a couple of seconds

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Tully__
06-22-2004, 05:39 AM
Both of those have trim on all primary flight surfaces (ailerons, rudder & elevator). Trim a very little bit at a time.

When trying to fly level, add a little elevator trim at a time (waiting several seconds after each adjustment) until you don't have to push or pull the stick to stay level. The way trim works in FB/AEP, if you hold the trim key for a long time, the trim will keep changing for a while after you let go (try it out on the runway from external view and see what I mean). You have to wait for it to stop to see if the adjustment is right before adding more (a backing it off a bit if you've overshot).

Once you're flying level, check out the rudder ball on the instruments (the thing that looks a bit like the bubble in a spirit level). If the ball is not centered, use rudder trim to get it centered.

Once that is set, you can fine tune the last of it with aileron trim.

For me, I never bother with anything but elevator trim (unless I have combat damage that's affecting flight trim).

A couple of other points to remember:

Changing speed will change elevator trim.

Changing throttle setting will change rudder trim.

If you're in an environment where you're constantly changing speed or throttle setting, you will have a lot of trouble keeping up with trim. For the most part I almost never touch trim in combat for instance, waiting until I've disengaged and flying a steady flight regime.

Trim is there so you don't have to maintain large control inputs in cruise, steady climb or steady descent. It's not there to fly the plane with, that's what the joystick & rudder are for.

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JG53Frankyboy
06-22-2004, 06:12 AM
"A couple of other points to remember:

Changing speed will change elevator trim.

Changing throttle setting will change rudder trim."



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T_O_A_D
06-22-2004, 06:13 AM
See if you can download this if not you can find it on our web page listed in missions.

http://131st.fighter-planes.net/files/131st_VFW%20Trim%20.doc

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Breeze147
06-22-2004, 06:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tully__:
Both of those have trim on all primary flight surfaces (ailerons, rudder & elevator). Trim a very little bit at a time.

When trying to fly level, add a little elevator trim at a time (waiting several seconds after each adjustment) until you don't have to push or pull the stick to stay level. The way trim works in FB/AEP, if you hold the trim key for a long time, the trim will keep changing for a while after you let go (try it out on the runway from external view and see what I mean). You have to wait for it to stop to see if the adjustment is right before adding more (a backing it off a bit if you've overshot).

Once you're flying level, check out the rudder ball on the instruments (the thing that looks a bit like the bubble in a spirit level). If the ball is not centered, use rudder trim to get it centered.

Once that is set, you can fine tune the last of it with aileron trim.

For me, I never bother with anything but elevator trim (unless I have combat damage that's affecting flight trim).

A couple of other points to remember:

Changing speed will change elevator trim.

Changing throttle setting will change rudder trim.

If you're in an environment where you're constantly changing speed or throttle setting, you will have a lot of trouble keeping up with trim. For the most part I almost never touch trim in combat for instance, waiting until I've disengaged and flying a steady flight regime.

Trim is there so you don't have to maintain large control inputs in cruise, steady climb or steady descent. It's not there to fly the plane with, that's what the joystick & rudder are for.

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Tully, you must be drinking some good coffee today. That was one of the best set of quick tips on trim I have seen. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Slush69
06-22-2004, 06:21 AM
And remember that there is a delay on trim settings, so you will not get an instant response to your input.

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Tully__
06-22-2004, 06:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Breeze147:

Tully, you must be drinking some good coffee today. That was one of the best set of quick tips on trim I have seen. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Both good coffee and lots of practise at that answer http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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06-22-2004, 06:53 AM
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TgD Thunderbolt56
06-22-2004, 07:08 AM
Remember that trim is adjusted by a cumulative series of key inputs with most taking around 8-12 keystrokes to realize any noticable effects.

When I fly the P-39, for example, I know that it takes 9 clicks of down elevator trim to cover most cases so I climb to 1500 meters then trim. (I use the default positive elevator trim to climb with initially)

In the P-51C, I watch the trim dial to the lower left and know where I need it positioned to achieve the attitude I desire. This way i don't really count the trim clicks, I simply look and set it where I want it. A visible trim dial might explain it all a bit too.



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horseback
06-22-2004, 08:13 AM
One other problem was mentioned-the clumsiness of using the keyboard trim. Remember that you can change keyboard and joystick button assignments in the Controls menu.

If you find it sufficiently useful(and you have enough buttons to go around), assign a couple of joystick buttons to your elevator trim, or at least, assign your key trim settings to single keys on the keyboard. If you have a joystick, you don't need to have keys assigned to elevator up and down, rudder right and left, etc. Assign those keys to trim instead, with an eye to your own convenience. Be able to locate them by touch (i.e., put the rudder trim on the opposite side of the keyboard from elevator trim).

Some HOTAS rigs give you two or more POV hats-pick the one that's least reachable and reassign it for elevator & rudder trim. You need to be able to look around all the time, but trim is a convenience, and frankly, the delayed response from the last patches can be deceptive. Avoid trying to trim under stress-it'll stall you out in a minute.

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