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WereSnowleopard
08-14-2004, 07:53 PM
I saw a bomber "PBJ-1H" (navalized B-25H) in message posted by Snootles made me curious what it is. I looked up in search engine. One thing caught my eye is "hooked on USS Shangri La" got my attention to look it up. I thought you want to know about it. "PBH-1H 43-4700 (BuNo 35277) was modified for aircraft carrier catapult launch and arrest retrievals. The first landings and catapult takeoffs took place aboard the USS Shangri La (CV-38) on November 15, 1944. Although the experiment was successful, no further work on a carrier-based Mitchell took place since American advances in the Pacific made such an aircraft unnecessary. "

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher2/b25_19.html

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WereSnowleopard
08-14-2004, 07:53 PM
I saw a bomber "PBJ-1H" (navalized B-25H) in message posted by Snootles made me curious what it is. I looked up in search engine. One thing caught my eye is "hooked on USS Shangri La" got my attention to look it up. I thought you want to know about it. "PBH-1H 43-4700 (BuNo 35277) was modified for aircraft carrier catapult launch and arrest retrievals. The first landings and catapult takeoffs took place aboard the USS Shangri La (CV-38) on November 15, 1944. Although the experiment was successful, no further work on a carrier-based Mitchell took place since American advances in the Pacific made such an aircraft unnecessary. "

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher2/b25_19.html

Cheers
Snowleopard

Tooz_69GIAP
08-14-2004, 08:29 PM
Well, remeber the Doolittle raid?? 1942 and 16 (?) B-25s took off from the USS Hornet (?) so medium bombers leaving the decks of a carrier was certainly possible. But then, giving the progress of the war, it's understandable that they didn't want to continue development of the idea with the navalised B-25.

Good find!!

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WereSnowleopard
08-14-2004, 08:41 PM
Yes but...twin engines bomber landing on WWII's CV.

Tooz_69GIAP
08-14-2004, 08:51 PM
Well, it wasn't such an obscure concept, the Royal Navy also did testing on landing heavy twins on their carriers.

http://baseclass.modulweb.dk/69giap/fileadmin/69_giap_private/images/Mossie_carrier_landing.jpg

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ElAurens
08-14-2004, 09:01 PM
That LSO is nuts!

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wickedpenguin
08-14-2004, 09:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>That LSO is nuts!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hell yeah!

Figure that plane's travelling around 70mph. That's around 102 feet per second... That guy's got a freaking second or two to get out of the way!

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WereSnowleopard
08-14-2004, 09:53 PM
Well..B-25 with span 67', weight near twice as Mosquite with span 54', is.

Tooz_69GIAP
08-14-2004, 10:25 PM
True enough leopard, the B-25 is bigger, but so were the US carriers I think. Although I dunno how big the Indefatigable is.

Anyway, I wonder if the Japanese did any testing of twins off their carriers?

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Snootles
08-14-2004, 11:10 PM
The Indefatigable was comparable in full-load displacement to an Essex-class carrier.

Indefatigable- 32,110 t
Essex- 34,881 t

Tooz_69GIAP
08-14-2004, 11:44 PM
Hmm, should I continue in this pissing contest?? Or not?? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Okay, if you will notice, the navalised B-25 didn't make a successful trap until November 1944. The Mosquito made it's first successfull trap in March of the same year!! That's 8 months before the USA-ians managed to land a big twin on a carrier http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

End of pissing contest (although I am sure someone will take it up again, hehehe).

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IV_JG51_Razor
08-15-2004, 12:36 AM
In the late 40's, when the Navy and the Air Force were squabling over the few Defence dollars available, they actually based Lockheed P-2Vs aboard the Midway class carriers to be their nucular strike capability. The Neptunes would be hoisted aboard in port, and spend their whole cruise out on the flight deck. Just as the Navy was completing FCLPs, and having Lockheed install a tail hook on one, North American fielded their AJ-1 Savage, that was designed from the get-go as a carrier based bomber, with tail hook and folding wings. It was also kind of unique in that it had, in addition to it's two piston engines, a jet engine in the rear of the fuselage with intake in the top just forward of the vertical stabilizer.

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WereSnowleopard
08-15-2004, 12:56 PM
I don't thinking Japanese had interesting in try landing twin as they already have great endurance single engine plane. Maybe in late war if IJN still have plenty of carriers to lend one carrier for experimenting.

WereSnowleopard
08-15-2004, 01:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Hmm, should I continue in this pissing contest?? Or not?? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Okay, if you will notice, the navalised B-25 didn't make a successful trap until November 1944. The Mosquito made it's first successfull trap in March of the same year!! That's 8 months before the USA-ians managed to land a big twin on a carrier http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

End of pissing contest (although I am sure someone will take it up again, hehehe).

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Oh I don't interest in contest but I want you in part of talk like you bring mosquite up as I didn't know that but useful for all of us to hear about that history. You are useful! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Lateralus_17SS
08-15-2004, 01:46 PM
The HMS Indefatigable? Is that a joke? How exactly does one go about pronouncing such a word?

Yellonet
08-15-2004, 02:07 PM
No navalized version thanks. It wasn't used in combat. Let's try the regular Mitchell's on the carriers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Resident_Jock
08-15-2004, 02:16 PM
In-de-FATeg-able. It's pretty much phonetic. I guess it means she never gets tired, or something http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Sakai9745
08-15-2004, 02:29 PM
A little bit more than a twin... but what the hey...

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/transport-m/c130/c130_13.jpg

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wuggle85
08-15-2004, 02:39 PM
hmmmm i wonder how that plane is going to take off again ha ha

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Yellonet
08-15-2004, 02:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wuggle85:
hmmmm i wonder how that plane is going to take off again ha ha

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Catapult and rocket boosters ought to do the trick http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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wuggle85
08-15-2004, 02:52 PM
some topics have talked about the b17 taking off from a carrier in pf well imagen the me 323 trying to take off from a carrier http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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xenios
08-15-2004, 07:32 PM
I think it's a little amusing that the USN named a carrier after the fictional land of Shangri-La. Years earlier, Roosevelt joked on radio that Doolittle's B-25s took off from Shangri-La; supposedly the Japanese took this literally and scoured their maps looking for this unfamiliar airbase.

Helonwhls87
08-16-2004, 01:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wuggle85:
hmmmm i wonder how that plane is going to take off again ha ha <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here you go. It took off under it's own powerhttp://www.forrestal.org/fidfacts/page18.htm

WereSnowleopard
08-16-2004, 02:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Helonwhls87:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wuggle85:
hmmmm i wonder how that plane is going to take off again ha ha <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here you go. It took off under it's own powerhttp://www.forrestal.org/fidfacts/page18.htm<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you for post that link.

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Tooz_69GIAP
08-16-2004, 02:35 PM
very cool, watch the vids for the take off and landing.

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icrash
08-16-2004, 08:34 PM
I thought the guy landing the '25 on a carrier was completely nuts. I stand corrected after the C-130 thing. The guy in the '25 was only half crazy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/icrash/147th.bmp 147th Fighter Wing