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Animusaurus
10-03-2014, 11:25 AM
So, I've been reading up everything on AC recently all over again, and i can't seem to find a English Assassin anywhere?.


Is England mostly a Templar country? :confused:

king-hailz
10-03-2014, 11:52 AM
Yes.

LoyalACFan
10-03-2014, 12:39 PM
There's one dude in the IOS game I think. Beyond that, Ezio sent some apprentices to London, so presumably there are Assassins there.

naumaan
10-03-2014, 12:41 PM
So, I've been reading up everything on AC recently all over again, and i can't seem to find a English Assassin anywhere?.


Is England mostly a Templar country? :confused:

not really

edward kenway stayed in england for quite some time, but was killed by templars, there may be assassins present there who knows ..

secondly as from the latest news article on ac, it was revealed that america is discovered not by columbus but by a templar 90 years before columbus ... so that means america is a templar country lol .. and well shay kind of finished all the assassins present in the american colonies .. so its hard to say ...

Animusaurus
10-03-2014, 12:49 PM
Damn, was thinking that Jack the Ripper London would be great, pretty dark and such, fighting guards with batons and swords...

But eh, I'm not sure.

LoyalACFan
10-03-2014, 12:54 PM
Damn, was thinking that Jack the Ripper London would be great, pretty dark and such, fighting guards with batons and swords...

But eh, I'm not sure.

Honestly if they ever make an English AC game I hope they stay away from Jack the Ripper, or at least relegate him to a side quest. He's just not that interesting TBH. So he killed a few women in Whitechapel; that's awful, sure, but it's not enough to carry an entire game. A MUCH more interesting story would involve the corruption and dissolution of the British East India Company. THERE'S a real AC-style conspiracy for you.

Animusaurus
10-03-2014, 01:01 PM
Honestly if they ever make an English AC game I hope they stay away from Jack the Ripper, or at least relegate him to a side quest. He's just not that interesting TBH. So he killed a few women in Whitechapel; that's awful, sure, but it's not enough to carry an entire game. A MUCH more interesting story would involve the corruption and dissolution of the British East India Company. THERE'S a real AC-style conspiracy for you.
They might be able to draw a background around the victims, they were undercover Templar members or agents, they were all prostitutes, maybe they spied on enemies of the Templars through that.


Im just saying, the murders could of been committed by a Assassin, and made to look like normal murders committed by a serial killer.

naumaan
10-03-2014, 01:05 PM
They might be able to draw a background around the victims, they were undercover Templar members or agents, they were all prostitutes, maybe they spied on enemies of the Templars through that.


Im just saying, the murders could of been committed by a Assassin, and made to look like normal murders committed by a serial killer.

you are allowed to leap higher in imagination .. but not that higher . as its never going to happen .. the story should be cannon and attached with other ac games

rob.davies2014
10-03-2014, 01:28 PM
Shaun!

D.I.D.
10-03-2014, 03:09 PM
secondly as from the latest news article on ac, it was revealed that america is discovered not by columbus but by a templar 90 years before columbus ... so that means america is a templar country lol .. and well shay kind of finished all the assassins present in the american colonies .. so its hard to say ...

Even according to real history, Columbus didn't discover the land known today as the USA, and only intended to find a simple sea route from Europe to Eastern Asia. He went to the Caribbean, and a handful of locations in Central and South America. Despite returning repeatedly, he did not advance north of the Caribbean.

Why US schoolkids are taught that Columbus discovered their country is hard to explain. Maybe it's an act of revisionism to avoid mentioning the claim of the English Crown. John Cabot (Giovanni Caboto) was an Italian explorer who sailed to what is now Newfoundland in 1497 ("Newfoundland" being a general term for this new land before "America"), claiming the territory on behalf of his English royal sponsors. There's some argument where he landed on the subsequent journey, but Maine seems to be a likely contender. There isn't evidence that his crew met any native people but it's recorded that they found fishing nets and an abandoned campsite. He brought a cargo of inessential luxury goods on his last journey, so it's reasonable to assume that he had ideas about who his buyers would be and intended to establish a relationship with them via trade.

Prior to him, other Europeans have a claim to being the first explorers to reach the north of the Americas. Bjarni Herjˇlfsson might have been the first Viking to discover the land according to legend, but the only real evidence is for Leif Erikson as the first European explorer of the Americas. He sailed west of Greenland in 1000 or 1001 with the intention of finding land. He did, and his crews built a permanent settlement at L'Anse aux Meadows. The settlement's true history was uncovered by 20th century archaeologists. The saga of Erik the Red mentions other outposts beyond L'Anse aux Meadows, but we don't know how far these settlers travelled into the territory.

There are many other, less easily provable claims to have discovered the land. It's all a bit questionable, given that the indigenous people were themselves explorers who discovered the Americas too.

Sushiglutton
10-03-2014, 03:18 PM
I think it has some to do with the settings we have visited. In both American Revolution and the Caribbean the British represented the establishment. And the templars are typically more embedded in the establishment while the assassins are more rebellious.

Namikaze_17
10-03-2014, 05:33 PM
Um, This Guy:

http://cloud.attackofthefanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/edward-kenway-ac4.jpg

Or this Guy: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121126151043/assassinscreed/images/5/57/ACIII-Miko.png

And Finally: http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/3/39162/1660595-dannywallace.jpg

guardian_titan
10-03-2014, 06:45 PM
Where there is darkness, there is light. You can't have one without the other. So no country is devoid of Templars or Assassins. You might get rid of one for a short while, but they'll come back ... and in greater numbers. :p Only way to kill one off is to kill off both or to bring in a third party to help kill off one ... but then you'd have to hope the third party doesn't turn against you.

Of course there's English Assassins. That's like assuming there are no German Assassins or Templars because we don't see them or there's no Chinese Assassins or Templars in Connor's/Arno's day because we don't see them. Where one is, you can be sure the other is close behind.
On another note, the Welsh might have discovered America before Columbus. Perhaps even the Jews came over prior to the fall of the Roman Empire to escape persecution. One tribe (don't recall which one) has many similar beliefs to the Jews which is rather abnormal when you look at other tribes. Part of the reason why Jefferson sent Lewis and Clark west was to look for evidence of the Welsh and Jews besides mapping out the land a bit and looking for British and Spanish encampments. Given that there is a tribe in the Mississippi River area that has boats that are oddly VERY similar to the Welsh, it's too coincidental if they didn't come here prior to Columbus. DNA tests so far have disproved one tribe's ancestry being Jewish, but as far as I'm aware, the Welsh connection hasn't been disproven. That's not to say either the Jews or Welsh didn't come to America long ago. Maybe the local tribes killed the men and took the women. Then the only DNA evidence we might have today might be mitochondrial DNA besides the odd story ... or boat. Also possible those lines just died off. Disease could have easily wiped out entire family lines. Small pox pretty much wiped out a large part of many tribes. So we'd have to DNA test bones and not necessarily living people. An expensive endeavor so not likely to happen.

The show America Unearthed (airs on H2/History 2 and will premiere their new season shortly) has quite a few episodes that interlinks into the Welsh/Jewish discovery of America. Rather interesting show even if it's a bit ... tin-foil hat conspiracy at times. Granted, that's many shows on History anymore. Ancient Aliens, In Search of Aliens, etc. Everything's a conspiracy. :rolleyes: I watched the show when I caught the Meriwether Lewis episode (since he's my cousin). I can certainly see a game with Connor and Meriwether Lewis. The guy's death was really strange.

It's pretty funny what we learn in school only to find out what really happened later. History gets really truncated in school, but that's not unexpected given budgets keep getting reduced and the number of kids keep going up. You can also only learn so much in a school year. Can't learn everything. Such a shame they teach a very poor version of history, though. By the time you get out of school, like half or better of what you learned of history is wrong in some way.

Only thing that's for certain is the native tribes were here first. So does it really matter who discovered the Americas? Columbus didn't. Leif Erikson didn't. The Welsh didn't. The Jews didn't. Funny how we want to say Europeans discovered America first when they didn't. Although now science seems to think there were two land routes: one from Asia over the Bering land bridge, and the other from Europe going east. The ice might have been so far south it created an ice bridge that lasted long enough for a few groups to travel across it. That would have let two groups settle in the Americas and branch out eventually joining in the middle.

BoBwUzHeRe1138
10-03-2014, 06:46 PM
Damn, was thinking that Jack the Ripper London would be great, pretty dark and such, fighting guards with batons and swords...

But eh, I'm not sure.


They might be able to draw a background around the victims, they were undercover Templar members or agents, they were all prostitutes, maybe they spied on enemies of the Templars through that.


Im just saying, the murders could of been committed by a Assassin, and made to look like normal murders committed by a serial killer.

I'm going to shut this idea down fast. What Jack the Ripper did was freaking awful. He slit their throats and their mutilated then bodies afterward. He even removed the uterus from one of his victims.

I don't care if the series is fiction and obviously invents it's own stories around real life characters and makes them possibly a bit more evil than they really were but to suddenly twist a person who mutilated women's bodies POST-murder and make him a HERO and to suddenly paint the victims as evil is horrific. In fact, we had a Ripper-ish character in AC2 killing women and Ezio had to kill him. IF Ripper was in the game, he'd be a side mission and you, as the protagonist would kill him. In fact, making Ripper a Templar would basically destroy all pretenses of giving them a fair depiction with their beliefs/ If anything, even if a London game featured a Templar, it'd be neat to see the Templars kill Jack if he's going to be in it at all.

But dear god, do not make him a hero for what he did.

Ureh
10-03-2014, 08:21 PM
They actually made an anti-jack the ripper in ac3 mp: http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Joe


"Joe" was believed to be a psychologically unstable mercenary who murdered civilians (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Civilians) in the streets of New York (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/New_York_City), but was in fact an extraordinary member of the Assassin Brotherhood (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Assassins), with justice as his primary motivator, killing those who abused women.Since he avoided daylight, Joe always moved during the night, instilling fear into the populace. Since it led to him gaining such an infamy, his name was only ever spoken in hushed tones. However, since his true name was known to none, he gained the moniker "Joe", after one of his Templar (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Templars) victims screamed out the name before he struck them down.

Xstantin
10-03-2014, 08:27 PM
I think Jack the Ripper might be too much - If anything there is Spring-heeled Jack from penny dreadfuls. Jumping from rooftop to rooftop and all that.

Animusaurus
10-03-2014, 08:58 PM
I'm going to shut this idea down fast. What Jack the Ripper did was freaking awful. He slit their throats and their mutilated then bodies afterward. He even removed the uterus from one of his victims.

I don't care if the series is fiction and obviously invents it's own stories around real life characters and makes them possibly a bit more evil than they really were but to suddenly twist a person who mutilated women's bodies POST-murder and make him a HERO and to suddenly paint the victims as evil is horrific. In fact, we had a Ripper-ish character in AC2 killing women and Ezio had to kill him. IF Ripper was in the game, he'd be a side mission and you, as the protagonist would kill him. In fact, making Ripper a Templar would basically destroy all pretenses of giving them a fair depiction with their beliefs/ If anything, even if a London game featured a Templar, it'd be neat to see the Templars kill Jack if he's going to be in it at all.

But dear god, do not make him a hero for what he did.
I must say i think i was wrong, as what he did was terrible, and i think i should recount my statement.

Spring heeled jack sounds brilliant though.

SixKeys
10-03-2014, 09:45 PM
Honestly if they ever make an English AC game I hope they stay away from Jack the Ripper, or at least relegate him to a side quest. He's just not that interesting TBH. So he killed a few women in Whitechapel; that's awful, sure, but it's not enough to carry an entire game. A MUCH more interesting story would involve the corruption and dissolution of the British East India Company. THERE'S a real AC-style conspiracy for you.

Plus they found out who he was recently (some Polish immigrant), so the mystery is gone.

Megas_Doux
10-03-2014, 09:47 PM
Honestly if they ever make an English AC game I hope they stay away from Jack the Ripper, or at least relegate him to a side quest. He's just not that interesting TBH. So he killed a few women in Whitechapel; that's awful, sure, but it's not enough to carry an entire game. A MUCH more interesting story would involve the corruption and dissolution of the British East India Company. THERE'S a real AC-style conspiracy for you.

This!!!!!!

Houck
10-03-2014, 09:49 PM
every good villain has to be British :cool:

Xstantin
10-03-2014, 10:14 PM
every good villain has to be British :cool:

Also add green eyes cause Disney says so.

RinoTheBouncer
10-03-2014, 11:20 PM
In the ACII and AC:B Glyph/Rift puzzles, there was some reference to Queen Elizabeth carrying an Apple of Eden. I guess they can start from there. It would be very interesting to me, at least.

Locopells
10-04-2014, 12:16 AM
Plus they found out who he was recently (some Polish immigrant), so the mystery is gone.

Wait, what?

SixKeys
10-04-2014, 01:04 AM
Wait, what?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/08/jack-the-ripper-polish-aaron-kosminski-dna

HiddenKiller612
10-04-2014, 01:21 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/08/jack-the-ripper-polish-aaron-kosminski-dna
I would take this with a grain of salt, more than likely it will be proven false.

VestigialLlama4
10-04-2014, 07:22 AM
The British Empire between the 18th and 19th Century seem to be Templars, since that was the time they started colonizing the world, ostensibly to spread the ideas of good governance, free trade and uplift the lives of their colonies but mostly to drain their resources dry. Which seems like a good Templar motivation as any. Trying to bring order and all that. As such the 19th Century would I think feature the English usually as bad guys.

As for English Assassins during the time you have the Chartist Movement, the first English socialists and Karl Marx in London. You also have a lot of interesting stuff happening in Ireland. But I can't think of notable high profile assassinations and Jack the Ripper is most definitely not an Assassin.

I personally think the Elizabethan Era is a more suitable a time for Assassins. It was the golden age, defending England from the Spanish. You have Walter Raleigh, Francis Bacon, John Dee and then there's Christopher Marlowe who got assassinated by government agents, and his personality and legend would make him an awesome English Assassin. We can also meet Shakespeare. Before the Tudors you had the old feudal England which kind of died with Richard III, so the Renaissance coming to London would make it an awesome setting.