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Scen
07-07-2004, 02:50 PM
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Scen
07-07-2004, 02:50 PM
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woofiedog
07-07-2004, 03:07 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gifSo many gifts in one day... Uber Demon and now 4.7 Driver.
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gifOh my! There is not enough time in one day!!!

Scen
07-07-2004, 03:14 PM
I know some people posted here on these forums the betas really made a difference. I certainly hope the case is the same with the official release.

Scendore

woofiedog
07-07-2004, 03:25 PM
We'll find out soon! It takes me a bit to download the new driver with dial up... so it should be ready for tomorrow morning after work for me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
I also forgot to mention Mission Manager!

JG52Uther
07-07-2004, 03:26 PM
Hmmm, ATI 's cards are a new and mysterious creature to me (got a 9800 pro and still using 4.2 cat)so i think i will wait a while and see how they pan out (cautious or cowardy custard,make your own mind up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

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Gibbage1
07-07-2004, 03:31 PM
The 4.7 Beta's were GREAT! Lets see how well they can pooch these drivers in the few weeks since the beta.

So, who's the guini-pig today?

D-XXI
07-07-2004, 03:32 PM
First impression. It's great. High FPS in perfect on Leningrad map and amazing quality.
For the first time I'm able to read the words on the Ju-87B cowling. It reads "frostschutz glykol 50/50".

ednew
07-07-2004, 03:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D-XXI:
First impression. It's great. High FPS in perfect on Leningrad map and amazing quality.
For the first time I'm able to read the words on the Ju-87B cowling. It reads "frostschutz glykol 50/50".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you making this comparision with the 4.7 beta or an earlier cat

JG27_Arklight
07-07-2004, 03:42 PM
They are the same drivers according to a few people on the rage3d forums. (The beta 4.7s and the Off. 4.7s).


Figures.

Guess what they said on the rage3d forums was true about the betas actually being the official ones.

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VW-IceFire
07-07-2004, 03:55 PM
There were a few 4.7 beta's floating out there I think. Mine aren't as good as I was hoping (overall). The 4.7 betas that I'm currently on run FB great but have WMV color corruption issues. SO...we'll see if the 4.7 official fixes that.

But in terms of FB performance...very good.

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Willey
07-07-2004, 04:28 PM
Nice, but damn they still didn't fix the Thief 3 flickering http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. I just have to stay at 4.4 because of that... (+ 4.2 atioglxx.dll for FB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif) 4.4 has a bug with gamma correction http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif (changing it via a prog does only work in OGL, not on desktop or in D3D mode, has been fixed in 4.6 AFAIK)

eXtra_Corrosiv
07-07-2004, 04:36 PM
if is et up remote desktop in win xp can i use it to log onto my pc from work and use my home pc to download files?

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PF_Coastie
07-07-2004, 05:52 PM
First of all I just want to thank all the guys that spent the time to fill out the ATI feedback form for the previous drivers that did not work with Perfect Mode. It is because of you that this is fixed. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I have installed these and I am quite happy.

Below are my Fraps Log details. (Black Death track recording from :05 to 2:30)

System:
AMD 2800+ Barton @2.25ghz (180x12.5) w/SLK900A / Soltek 75FRN2-L Ultra 400/ RADEON 9800np w/Cat 4.7's / WD 8mb cache 80 GIG HD/ 1gig DC PC3200 RAM/ AUDIGY 2/ ENERMAX 350W PS/ Klipsch Promedia 2.1/ MSFF2 joystick/WinXP

ATI Control Panel settings/OpenGL

Custom, AA/aniso on quality, filters on High Quality.

2004-07-07 19:22:42 - il2fb Aces(4.7's/4xAA/4x/aniso/EXCELLENT) [9500/9700 FB settings + S3TC/ Aniso/no polygon stipple/no dither]
Frames: 5905 - Time: 145063ms - Avg: 40.706 - Min: 16 - Max: 89

2004-07-07 19:26:12 - il2fb Aces(4.7's/4xAA/4x/aniso/PERFECT) [9500/9700 FB settings + S3TC/ Aniso/no polygon stipple/no dither]
Frames: 4620 - Time: 145172ms - Avg: 31.824 - Min: 16 - Max: 58
[WATER=0/FOREST=2]

2004-07-07 19:36:27 - il2fb Aces(4.7's/4xAA/4x/aniso/PERFECT) [9500/9700 FB settings + S3TC/ Aniso/no polygon stipple/no dither]
Frames: 4381 - Time: 146921ms - Avg: 29.818 - Min: 18 - Max: 54
[WATER=2/FOREST=2]

Very Nice!

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Hunter82
07-07-2004, 06:26 PM
Wrong http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Arklight:
They are the same drivers according to a few people on the rage3d forums. (The beta 4.7s and the Off. 4.7s).


Figures.

Guess what they said on the rage3d forums was true about the betas actually being the official ones.

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BaldieJr
07-07-2004, 06:28 PM
Can I advertise my business in my sig too?

Hunter82
07-07-2004, 06:30 PM
take it to pm

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Dawg-of-death
07-07-2004, 06:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Can I advertise my business in my sig too?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uncool.............

I never did install Betas. The 4.7 Cats are nice



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Huxley_S
07-07-2004, 06:58 PM
Hunter... official 4.7s better than the beta (version 6.14.10.6458) for FB frames?

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TX-Gunslinger
07-07-2004, 07:02 PM
Hey guys,

I did install the betas and have been using them. When I check my video adapter drivers I find:

Beta
5/28/2004
6.14.10.6458

When I look at the download site I see:

07/07/04
6.14.10.6458

This would indicate to the standard village idiot (me in this case) that I don't need to go through the hassle of installing the new stuff.

However in looking at Hunters post, it makes me wonder what I don't know...I'm sure there's more to this story....

Any advice Coastie or Hunter?

Thanx in advance

WTE_Galway
07-07-2004, 07:10 PM
for some reason my 9500 PRO only works with the original drivers out of the box, must fix that one day


as far as beta's go apart from being unfinished .. many beta's still include error trapping code that slows them down compared to the final product

[This message was edited by WTE_Galway on Wed July 07 2004 at 06:19 PM.]

Hunter82
07-07-2004, 07:21 PM
Can't say...but no they are not the same

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TX-Gunslinger:
Hey guys,

I did install the betas and have been using them. When I check my video adapter drivers I find:

Beta
5/28/2004
6.14.10.6458

When I look at the download site I see:

07/07/04
6.14.10.6458

This would indicate to the standard village idiot (me in this case) that I don't need to go through the hassle of installing the new stuff.

However in looking at Hunters post, it makes me wonder what I don't know...I'm sure there's more to this story....

Any advice Coastie or Hunter?

Thanx in advance<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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PF_Coastie
07-07-2004, 07:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TX-Gunslinger:
Hey guys,

I did install the betas and have been using them. When I check my video adapter drivers I find:

Beta
5/28/2004
6.14.10.6458

When I look at the download site I see:

07/07/04
6.14.10.6458

This would indicate to the standard village idiot (me in this case) that I don't need to go through the hassle of installing the new stuff.

However in looking at Hunters post, it makes me wonder what I don't know...I'm sure there's more to this story....

Any advice Coastie or Hunter?

Thanx in advance<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We are bound by NDA about stuff like this. Sry, Just take Hunters word for it.

Leaked Betas are a very touchy subject. I try my best to stay far away from discussing them.

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PF_Coastie
07-07-2004, 07:27 PM
HEHE! Hunter, we musta been typing at the same time. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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Capt._Tenneal
07-07-2004, 07:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by woofiedog:
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gifSo many gifts in one day... Uber Demon and now 4.7 Driver.
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gifOh my! There is not enough time in one day!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep ! The only thing missing to make it a trifecta is the "you-know-what" 2.03, which is just around the corner perhaps ? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Locust_
07-07-2004, 07:46 PM
So should I install these or not LOL

Im using the unpacked ogl driver from beta4.7

Im happy as it is but hey if its better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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wcat
07-07-2004, 07:49 PM
Temporal FSAA option thru the CP is still available only to the English version of Win XP it seems...
Others need to hack the registry...bummer!
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PF_Coastie
07-07-2004, 07:49 PM
Locust, I wouldnt say its any better or worse. The big key here is "leaked Beta"!

It only takes a few minutes to do, Its up to you.

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steve_v
07-07-2004, 08:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Locust_:
So should I install these or not LOL

Im using the unpacked ogl driver from beta4.7

Im happy as it is but hey if its better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Two improvements over the betas that deserve your consideration:

- water=2 does not produce a FPS hit over water=0
- Previous WVM files having bad color rendering with the beta are now being displayed correctly.

Still testing but there are two good reasons to do a full install of the "official" cat4.7.


Coastie:
water=3 is a new implementation where you can actually catch fish from them. Now thats progress.

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07-07-2004, 08:23 PM
I just got them and they are better than the previous Omegas I had... I was surprised. No more flashes in Perfect. Excellent is great!!

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Slammin_
07-07-2004, 08:49 PM
Man, the 4.7 beta's were great and the release 4.7 is still great for me. Why must there be all this 'inside' drama regarding? Sheeze! It's another conspiracy for sure!

I mean, if someone in-the-know says the leaked, which by all accounts, including mine were just fantastic, why all the drama about the release 4.7's?

I tell ya, to say that some are hard to please is definitely an understatement lately. Let's look some more gift horses in the mouth!

Sheeze!

Is it just me?

PF_Coastie
07-07-2004, 09:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by steve_v:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Locust_:
So should I install these or not LOL

Im using the unpacked ogl driver from beta4.7

Im happy as it is but hey if its better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Two improvements over the betas that deserve your consideration:

- water=2 does not produce a FPS hit over water=0
- Previous WVM files having bad color rendering with the beta are now being displayed correctly.

Still testing but there are two good reasons to do a full install of the "official" cat4.7.


Coastie:
water=3 is a new implementation where you can actually catch fish from them. Now thats progress.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

steve, I got a 2fps difference from water2 to water0. That is less difference than there was before though! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Yeah, I am going to have to carry my fly rod in the cockpit from now on. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Locust_
07-07-2004, 09:40 PM
Hey Steve_V

Can u send me the Unpacked ogl from official4.7 Please Sir

U still have my e mail ???

I just sent u email http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Spectre-63
07-08-2004, 12:14 AM
wasn't the WMV corruption a direct result of enabling the WMV acceleration???

I know that I'd run into that issue previously (after installing ATITray) and disabling the acceleration resolve the WMV Acid-trip. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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JG27_Arklight
07-08-2004, 12:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunter82:
Wrong http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Arklight:
They are the same drivers according to a few people on the rage3d forums. (The beta 4.7s and the Off. 4.7s).


Figures.

Guess what they said on the rage3d forums was true about the betas actually being the official ones.

Ark

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VonLuger
07-08-2004, 01:05 AM
For thoughs thinking beta is same as final!--here's an analogy when fb released a beta version of the patch-after the feedback it was tweaked from reported bugs/anomolities they were able to duplicateithe goal of a beta is weeks before the release others try it and quirks are fixed for the "Final"---So those who are keeping the Beta and earlier versions please do-Darwinism at work.....

Locust_
07-08-2004, 01:26 AM
Steve_v Please

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jobace
07-08-2004, 01:41 AM
coastie, did you run black death track with v sync enabled?
thanx

PF_Coastie
07-08-2004, 04:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jobace:
coastie, did you run black death track with v sync enabled?
thanx<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, I never enable Vsynch for benchmarks. There are too many monitors with too many resolutions and Refresh rates. Vsynch on will limit your max fps to your refresh rate which will skew your average fps, Very dramatically in some cases.

Play with Vsynch on, Bench with Vsynch off.

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PF_Coastie
07-08-2004, 04:26 AM
Locust, Check your PM's. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Scen
07-08-2004, 11:03 AM
Hey Coastie

I just wanted to make a quick comment about your settings in one of the above postings. First off thanks for doing some testing... I went ahead and used some of your settings and yes there is a noticiable difference when using the new 4.7s and your settings.

I know it all comes down to personal taste but here it goes... I ran the sim with all the goodies turned on of course at a much lower res 10X7 and to be honest I rather turn off the perfect settings and run it at a higher res.

I have a 22inch monitor with great refresh rates at 16X12. What the new driver has afforded me is a higher FSAA setting via TAA and AF setting. To me I get even better performance and a much nicer (IMO) looking sim albeit without the water effects.

What's your take on this? I played with it for a while at lower resolution and it just doesn't appeal. The detail that's lost is just not worth it to me. Thoughts?

Scendore

Gibbage1
07-08-2004, 12:31 PM
Thats wht the PBY Catalina is for! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PF_Coastie:

Yeah, I am going to have to carry my fly rod in the cockpit from now on. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

PF_Coastie
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

h009291
07-08-2004, 12:37 PM
Ok ...I know that it was discussed with the Beta version .. but what is the Temporal Anti-Aliasing check box do?

What can I turn off or change if this baby is checked? Thanks.

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Andrewsdad
07-08-2004, 12:46 PM
Salute !!!
I have found that the new drivers help a lot in Perfect mode, however now in the distance, rivers break up into a series of elongated "lakes". Any suggestions ?

Dell computer with a Radeon 128 8600 card.

Thanks !!
AD

tsisqua
07-08-2004, 01:20 PM
4.7's are the balm for me. I'm very happy with this release, and yes, I submitted my requests to the ATI site. No amount of complaining here will ever get anything fixed. This isn't the ATI site LOL.

Gibbage, I hope that the PBY will be available for cruises and fishing trips real soon. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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woofiedog
07-08-2004, 01:21 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gifCoastie... Will you updating your Site in the near future???? I've been trying different settings... but would like to see what your using now since your systems are about the same.
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PF_Coastie
07-08-2004, 01:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Scen:
Hey Coastie

I just wanted to make a quick comment about your settings in one of the above postings. First off thanks for doing some testing... I went ahead and used some of your settings and yes there is a noticiable difference when using the new 4.7s and your settings.

I know it all comes down to personal taste but here it goes... I ran the sim with all the goodies turned on of course at a much lower res 10X7 and to be honest I rather turn off the perfect settings and run it at a higher res.

I have a 22inch monitor with great refresh rates at 16X12. What the new driver has afforded me is a higher FSAA setting via TAA and AF setting. To me I get even better performance and a much nicer (IMO) looking sim albeit without the water effects.

What's your take on this? I played with it for a while at lower resolution and it just doesn't appeal. The detail that's lost is just not worth it to me. Thoughts?

Scendore<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, this is much left to personal taste. But here is my take on it:

I have a 19" monitor that will do 16x12 but at only 60hz. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Anyway, I tried some testing with it just to compare some numbers and visual differences. I tried mixing various resolutions with various AA/aniso settings.

I too prefer to fly in excellent settings and skip the pretty water affects. On my system 16x12 with no AA or aniso in excellent, looked good but not as good as a lower res with AA/aniso. There are noticeable jaggies on smooth edges like runways and wings even in 16x12. It takes at least 2x AA to smooth it out nicely at that res. To me, It is just too much of an fps hit to warrant that res(not to mention the 60hz thing)

I chose a happy medium at 1152x864 @ 85hz with 4xaa and 8x aniso. I would switch back and forth on Quality vs Performance AA/Aniso depending on the driver set. The 4.7's seem to do very well on Quality.

For my taste, I will choose better fps over super high quality. The big key for me is getting it to where even the toughest most brutal situations the fps wont drop below 30. I mean multiple AAA guns with many planes in the air over a big city. I have thought I had my system running well in the past until I encountered these scenes and I would be flying in a slide show at 20fps! So I tweak some settings to get a few more fps.

The Temporal AA is a great tool for the less demanding games IMHO. It is only active when above 60fps. If fps drop below 60 it will revert to normal AA settings. There is a registry hack to lower the thresh hold from 60fps, BUT if you do this, you may experience stuttering because below 60fps you may be able to see that it is only working on every other frame which will look like flickering or a low refresh rate.

The other kicker is it always forces on Vsynch when TAA is activated. SO, If you have a refresh rate of 100hz, this will be your max FPS. Well, very seldom do you see 100 fps in this game except at high alt with no planes looking at sky. SO, if you are not producing AT LEAST 100 fps, Vsynch will cut your FPS in half to 50fps. Hmmmmm, 50 fps is below 60fps so now TAA will not be working!

In my opinion, its a catch 22. You can turn it on, but you will probably never even see it in use. If you do see your fps above 60 and you are using it, it is likely there is nothing much visible to see it being used! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

I think I just confused myself! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

Anyway, I hope this helps a bit. My settings are just a guide to get people pointed in the right direction. It is up to you to do some experimenting and find what works best for you.

Good luck!

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PF_Coastie
07-08-2004, 01:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Andrewsdad:
Salute !!!
I have found that the new drivers help a lot in Perfect mode, however now in the distance, rivers break up into a series of elongated "lakes". Any suggestions ?

Dell computer with a Radeon 128 8600 card.

Thanks !!
AD<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I havent noticed this yet, but I will check it out later and let you know.

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PF_Coastie
07-08-2004, 01:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by woofiedog:
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gifCoastie... Will you updating your Site in the near future???? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Grrrr, Yes I will be updating. I am not going to say when though! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif No commitments for me. Or, should I just say "2 WEEKS!"

I have done a few things here and there like trying to get rid of some dead links.

Besides that, Angelfire is really starting to tick me off. They have taken more and more away from the free accounts. They have also been adding more ****, like the search bar! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif My bandwidth is often exceeded too and they shut it down for a few hours at a time.

I am not a web designer either. I use them because they have an easy interface to use which I am used to.

Anyway, I will try to add some more stuff and freshen things up a bit soon.

Thanks for asking me and giving me a guilty conscience! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Scen
07-08-2004, 02:20 PM
Coastie

Thanks for the reply... Now I understand a little more of where you're coming from.

Personally because I have such a big monitor (hehe) I can notice the jaggies much more when I run anything less than say 12X10 so lowering my res is not an option. Like you I tend to go for FPS more than eye candy.

Anyways thanks for the post.

Scendore

Locust_
07-08-2004, 02:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
Locust, Check your PM's. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

PF_Coastie

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TX-Gunslinger
07-08-2004, 05:37 PM
Thanks for your reply Coastie and Hunter...

Installing the official stuff as soon as I quit typing.

Advice to all others - if Coastie and Hunter say try it concerning h/w and s/w ..... just do it.....you'll be better off for it!

Don't know where we'd be without you guys.....

h009291
07-08-2004, 08:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by h009291:
Ok ...I know that it was discussed with the Beta version .. but what is the Temporal Anti-Aliasing check box do?

What can I turn off or change if this baby is checked? Thanks.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

????? Well??

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Wings_of_Fire
07-08-2004, 11:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
The other kicker is it always forces on Vsynch when TAA is activated. SO, If you have a refresh rate of 100hz, this will be your max FPS. Well, very seldom do you see 100 fps in this game except at high alt with no planes looking at sky. SO, if you are not producing AT LEAST 100 fps, Vsynch will cut your FPS in half to 50fps. Hmmmmm, 50 fps is below 60fps so now TAA will not be working!

In my opinion, its a catch 22. You can turn it on, but you will probably never even see it in use. If you do see your fps above 60 and you are using it, it is likely there is nothing much visible to see it being used! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well what I did worked for me, I used Reforce to fix the refresh bug in XP, then I hacked the registry key and set the switch at 10.

I only ever saw the "Shimmer" at 22FPS and below, but that was when I upped the res to 1280x1024 and had 6xAA enabled and heavy particles were around (AA/Explosions)

I did some shots previously, but I'll show the 6xAA/TAA shot. its was taken with FRAPS so the TAA is still captured and I have the FPS showing as well.

http://img22.exs.cx/img22/1164/6xTAA.th.png (http://img22.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img22&image=6xTAA.png)

As you can see, it works like a charm, I think the sheer physics of the Flight sim are peculiar enough to allow us to get away with this hack, but I doubt it would work well in any other genre.

Jasko76
07-09-2004, 03:28 AM
This may come as a surprise, but I've reverted to Cat 4,6s! Why? Well, to begin with, the new Cats messed up my control panel, removing all the options. Reinstall didn't help (BTW, I had the same problem with Beta 4,7s). Second, I experienced constant microstutters, not only in Il-2, but any other 3D application. Once I installed 4,6s, everything ran like a dream once again!

XP 2400
9800 Pro
768 Mb PC 3200
Audigy 2

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choxaway
07-09-2004, 03:43 AM
Installed the 4.7s last night and with my 9800Pro I'm seeing crisper images and denser, smoother colour (4xAA,8xAF).
I tried a brief session in FB (perfect mode) and sensed a somewhat smoother gameplay (therefore assume FPS has increased slightly). Also had a quick go at Far Cry (which has quite vibrant tropical island/jungle colours anyway) and this game's images looked richer and more saturated than with the 4.3s I was using before. I may have to adjust the in-game colour settings as a result, since they're maybe a tad too vibrant now, but previously, with this game, I felt the leaves of the branches swaying in the breeze looked a little washed out and sparkly-edged - a bit like EAW looked when I first used nVidia card after my old Voodoo 5. I recall it was problem with the former's A/Aliasing system and you had to d/load a patch to fix it; the distant background tended to effervesce or 'sparkle' if I remember correctly.

I digress, but it's only a quick observation from 20 mins playing last night but I'll be keeping these drivers installed, methinks.


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Hunter82
07-09-2004, 04:35 AM
Sounds like an install issue. Did you use the uninstall utility and driver cleaner 3?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jasko76:
This may come as a surprise, but I've reverted to Cat 4,6s! Why? Well, to begin with, the new Cats messed up my control panel, removing all the options. Reinstall didn't help (BTW, I had the same problem with Beta 4,7s). Second, I experienced constant microstutters, not only in Il-2, but any other 3D application. Once I installed 4,6s, everything ran like a dream once again!

XP 2400
9800 Pro
768 Mb PC 3200
Audigy 2

Regards,

Jasko
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woofiedog
07-09-2004, 06:47 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gifSorry to hear about the Web troubles your having... just so the rest of US have a better Game to use.
I Hope you can get things back togeather soon!
The Old setup you had, made a Big differance in the way IL-2 ran on my computer... that is one reason I was asking.
But also I'm running the ATI 9800 Pro Graphic's Card, Klipsch 2.1 Speakers with a Audigy 2 Sound Board... I believe your running about the same.
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Hopper64
07-09-2004, 06:49 AM
Hunter-I have a similar problem with microstutters after the 4.7s. Didn't happen with 4.6 and mine only happens over forrests or cities and is very, very subtle. Do you use the uninstall utility in the add/remove programs and then run the driver cleaner utility from ATI's website? Thanks.

Jasko76
07-09-2004, 06:49 AM
Yessir! I always use Driver Cleaner 3. Funny (or sad!) thing here is that I've experienced same problems with the Beta as well as release 4,7s! No other Cats gave me these problems.

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Hunter82
07-09-2004, 07:02 AM
I run the uninstall fron the add/remove using the run drivercleaner from ... www.driverheaven.net (http://www.driverheaven.net)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hopper64:
Hunter-I have a similar problem with microstutters after the 4.7s. Didn't happen with 4.6 and mine only happens over forrests or cities and is very, very subtle. Do you use the uninstall utility in the add/remove programs and then run the driver cleaner utility from ATI's website? Thanks.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Hopper64
07-09-2004, 11:23 AM
Hunter-I really don't think I have a driver problem. Everything runs so smoothly until I get over a forrest or city. I think that the textures are so improved with these drivers that I'm asking my machine to do too much. So, I just disabled vsync and it's much smoother over forrests and cities now. I would hate to go back to 4.6 because the IQ seems so much better with 4.7. I'm gaming at 1280x968 with 4xAA and 4xAF, so disabling vsync is not a hugh loss.