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Xnomad
07-25-2004, 10:24 AM

Xnomad
07-25-2004, 10:24 AM

Farkitt_
07-25-2004, 10:34 AM
Pfft, I don't respect anything Online.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Jks. 190's are deadly with a good Pilot. but most who fly it aren't that flash. Is what I find.


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Mike8686
07-25-2004, 10:38 AM
well I know that they can be incredibly deadly in the right hands but most pilots dont know how to use them correctly, its very hard to learn it (Im trying), but I've seen real 190 pilots ravage the enemy team.

Capt.LoneRanger
07-25-2004, 10:42 AM
In my hands, the FW190 is a far greater threat to me than to anybody else on the server.

But, yes, I respect any FW190 up there, because you never know who flies it and it can be a VERY deadly machine.
Well, actually I respect any plane. Maybe the "crappy planes" more than LA's and KI's, cause most noobs fly these, to get a chance for a kill and frequently kill themselves. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Yum_Yum
07-25-2004, 10:48 AM
Hello Xnomad http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I use them so I have no fear of them.

If you were destroyed by a Focke Wulf, but can't remember the fight because it was'nt worth remebering, then that may be correct!.
It proberbly happend very quickly and appeard to be some lucky fire from some unseen place.

I think thats how Focke Wulf players should be using it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

what servers are you using if I may ask ?

Thanks.

MEGILE
07-25-2004, 10:54 AM
FW190s will usualy get me via. sneak attack, diving on you from the great blue.. generaly if its an extended fight then my uber-spit shall prevail.. but then again you know you are in the presence of a great FW pilot when he pulls that rolling scissors chit on you..and you are hosed with 20mm http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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steiner562
07-25-2004, 10:59 AM
How can you respect a porked FOCKE? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif but being serious for a second I still love to fly them,if flown correctly there a match for anything.

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Red_Russian13
07-25-2004, 11:03 AM
I agree with Capt LoneRanger. It's more of a threat to me when I'm flying it. Actually, I respect ANY plane online because just about anything can shoot me down.

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HART_dreyer
07-25-2004, 11:17 AM
All depends whom is flying the FW190. If I was up against my self I'd be scared!

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georgeo76
07-25-2004, 11:29 AM
You've been on the wrong servers, always fly blue, or are suffering from a memory disorder. I can think of @ least half a dozen FW pilots to be feared.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I've been thinking about this lately and I can't honestly remember having ever been shot down by an Fw 190 online.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

jensenpark
07-25-2004, 11:47 AM
I see a fair number of good FW drivers out there...and am glad I don't fly against them.

I'm usually in a 109 and have had my but saved several times by a 190 swooping down and blasting someone to pieces...

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GvSAP_Dart
07-25-2004, 11:47 AM
I tend to fly against some very dedicated Huns that have bothered to learn the 190's strenghts.

If facing three 109's and one 190, my priority is always the 190, as it's the biggest threat!

It can outrun any Soviet plane, has guns like madness, is robust to damage, and can dictate the fight if you aren't careful.

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SeaFireLIV
07-25-2004, 11:48 AM
Lack of respect is the last thing I have for a good FW pilot online.

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F19_Ob
07-25-2004, 12:01 PM
With an experienced pilot any plane was respected, in those days anyway. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BTW did u remember to read golodnikovs views on FW190 and other planes? He makes comparisons with quite many planes.

here's a link to it:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=626100565

warweapon2
07-25-2004, 12:05 PM
I love the I-16 more than the FW.. (&lt;_&lthttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I've downed MORE pilots online with that sucker than anything.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

F19_Olli72
07-25-2004, 12:26 PM
Ill tell you why i dont respect it; the flip-flop manouver. I certainly respect the plane itself but fw drivers have posted in these forums they want correct view, speed, damage model etc....and what do they do when they cant shake a bogey? ; Flip flop, an unerealistic manouver that would more likely get a real pilot killed faster than saying "Stalin is a muppet". Only fun part of it is to watch them occationally flip-flopping themselves into the ground. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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S 8
07-25-2004, 12:29 PM
There I was flying a Spitfire,some 43 model,and saw this FW 190 A6.So,I did nr 1 mistake ,underestimate my opponent.In this case,with my superior turning ability versus his,I thought.He did the tightest scissors manouver I´ve seen and I overshot him.He was after that glued to my six,though I got shot in the wing during the overshot so I could not outturn him,anyway,bad excuse http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif,he got me.I geuss that pilot would won over me with parashute with a 1911.

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JG52-6High
07-25-2004, 12:32 PM
Sorry to say Olli, but RL Fockewulf pilots did use this "weakness" of the FW Models as a sort of last chance in combat. Of course not at low alt, wich is probably what you mean...

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F19_Olli72
07-25-2004, 12:41 PM
6High im not sure we mean the same thing. Im not talking about the occational 'spin-roll' here. But a series of rolls combined with negative Gs....online FW's can do this all day if needed, while in real life even if the plane would be capable of it the pilots wouldve:

A: Puke their guts out and faint
&/or
B: suffer from fatigue and simply not be able to manouver after a while.

Of course most planes can do this (except the ones that suffer cutouts from negative G's), but with the FWs fast roll rate it just looks plain silly!

Im convinced that if pilot fatigue was modelled into FB/AEP this sort of manouvers would vanish from onlineplay pretty fast.

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robban75
07-25-2004, 01:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
A: Puke their guts out and faint
&/or
B: suffer from fatigue and simply not be able to manouver after a while.

Of course most planes can do this (except the ones that suffer cutouts from negative G's), but with the FWs fast roll rate it just looks plain silly!

Im convinced that if pilot fatigue was modelled into FB/AEP this sort of manouvers would vanish from onlineplay pretty fast.

http://www.screenshotart.com&lt;HR&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; (http://www.screenshotart.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>)

You're right of course, no pilot in RL would put so much negative G on himself for a long period of time.

I truly wish for pilot fatigue to be modelled. This would give the Fw 190 a much stronger position in fights. Contrary to most other fighters it had very light controls even at high speeds. Epecially in the rolling plane. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Atomic_Marten
07-25-2004, 01:39 PM
It's just like any other plane.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DONB3397
07-25-2004, 02:01 PM
Respect? You must be a very good pilot, very lucky...or "blue." Congratulations.

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faustnik
07-25-2004, 02:08 PM
If you don't respect the Fw190 online, there are a few of us that will be happy to teach you some. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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p1ngu666
07-25-2004, 02:14 PM
yes its deadly, devistating in a team.
ive encounted one pilot who did the epileptic stuff in a fw, very annoying and unsporting imo

the cockpit on is probably why.

conversely, i dont perticulary fear the 109, yes if its got mk108 and/or a good pilot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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p1ngu666
07-25-2004, 02:14 PM
thats a yes ill fear it btw http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Yellonet
07-25-2004, 02:19 PM
Fw-190 is the worst chickencrate around.


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LuftLuver
07-25-2004, 02:40 PM
The Run-Ninety?

No.

I respect P47 pilots. Most difficult fighter plane in this entire sim.

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Maj_Death
07-25-2004, 04:09 PM
I respect pilots who can fly the Fw-190 well but in all honesty those are few and far between. A well flown Fw-190 is extremely deadly, the problem is only a handful of people know how to fly her right. BTW my ride of choice is the Fw-190A. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

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diomedes33
07-25-2004, 04:12 PM
I don't get you guys. I fly 190 almost exclusivly. Inorder to be effective you have to spread the fight out so you can keep your speed up. I see p51s and p47s use the same exact tactics, but no-one ever complains about them running away from a fight.

The "Run-Ninety"'s engagment area is 10-15 km where the turn fighters are around 3km max. I'm not running away, I'm turning around.

Plus if a 190 gets hit in the wings. You loose all its speed and will be totally out of fuel in about 2 minutes. Even with .303s.

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Korolov
07-25-2004, 04:21 PM
I always thought it was "ZOOM-Ninety." http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

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robban75
07-25-2004, 04:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by diomedes33:
The "Run-Ninety"'s engagment area is 10-15 km where the turn fighters are around 3km max. I'm not running away, I'm turning around.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So very well put! S! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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sposocke
07-25-2004, 04:51 PM
I'm not doubting there are a few good FW190 pilots out there, there are of any plane I suppose. But it seems they are few and if they are good they rely on firepower and pure BnZ tactics with a shot of scissors. This ain't bad but it's my belief that the 190 was capable of a lot more in reality.
In reality the FW190 was the better plane over the Bf109, it was a match for any Allied fighter throughout the war, easy to fly and handle even for newbie pilots, it was a plane which could outmanouver a Spitfire. None of this really applies ingame and I can't consider scissors the only means of manouverability to get the upper hand on another plane historically.
In my personal opinion and don't get me wrong, people sometimes do, I'm not asking for a turnfighter and I'm not doubting the effectivity of BnZ tactics, but I do believe that the FW190 should fly more like the Ki84. Because what good is a fantastic rollrate if you can't pull away, if you constanly threathen to spin out. The Ki84 on the other hand really can make use of rollrate and it's what I believe the 190 should fly like or similar to. Also keep in mind that the 190 totally outclassed the SpitV in '41, apart from a few players though this doesn't show in the majority of engagements as it did historically. The 109 according to historical sources should be the one which is more difficult to handle, more problematic to fly, a plane for the marksman and expert whereas the 190 should be easy in comparison, yet in this game it's quite the opposite.

So basically yea I fear every plane, but am disappointed with the 190 and hope for better.

PBNA-Boosher
07-25-2004, 05:01 PM
The Fw-190 used to be the only plane I ever feared getting into combat with. Mostly because my online dogfights first start with a head-on, and I'm usually in either a P-40 or P-38. Now that I know how to counter them, and that I know how incredibly innacurate their slashing attacks can be, I fear them less. They still can pack a good punch though...

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TheGozr
07-25-2004, 05:09 PM
190 is pretty easy to get actualy like germains plane easy, easy. the difficult part is to view thrue the cockpit that what is difficult .

In real life it would be very different due to the head movements.

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II JG2_Oesau
07-25-2004, 05:21 PM
The 190 is to be used as a pack fighter where your squad is to be used as a team.

I must say it's my plane of choice, though I'm still learning to fly it. Yes, the cockpit view is difficult with the frames in the way. But it's all about projecting the fight in 3d space and "knowing" where the enemy is going. That way you don't always need to be able to see them (though it's never a good thing to lose sight of them for too long).

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Fw-190D-9
07-25-2004, 05:23 PM
I repect the Fw-190 very much. True it does take a bit of education in order to use it properly, but when that happends a FW-190 can become very deadly. As an example, yesterday I was flying with afew friends and other people on a original IL2 server. So I was limited to jus tthe FW-190 A-4,5, and 8. I ended up taking the A-5 becaus I think its the most balanced FW out fo the three. Now keep in mind my friends ran a pretty arcade style server, spins and stalls were basicaly off, and you caould use the HUD, and icons were on, and the ammo was unlimited. But they still had realistic gunnery, so I guess it made good target practice. Well when the room started up, every one on either side took russian aircraft, everythiong from I-16s to La-5FNs. I was the only pilot that took a Luft plane. And with int he first period of that game there were three kills scored, all three by me, all three were B&Z victims.

As the game wore on For the next 4 hours I tried different tactics with the 190, I would still B&Z but I also used slashing attacks at high speed, the problem with this is when your fighting very manuverable aircraft you have to time it just right. And I even tried some plain old T&B dogfighting, I did get afew LAs that way but for anything else I was pretty much dead, and when I was going slow, IE below 300KMs I was even dog meat for a I-16. LOL!

But in any case, the FW is an effective fighter, if used properly. So yes it should be respected.

wojtek_m
07-25-2004, 05:30 PM
To say the truth... they are deadly with an altitude/speed advantage, but without it they are easy targets... poor acceleration, poor climbing ability... what else to say?

Dawg-of-death
07-25-2004, 05:32 PM
Yes I respect them..............
Then me and my 7 shoot them down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/sonar.gif

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Hunde_3.JG51
07-25-2004, 06:28 PM
Not to sound arrogant but me and some of my squadmates (Specter [Diomedes in above post], Stecher, etc.) go online on Warclouds, Birds of Prey, etc, and run up very large scores in the FW-190 and we rarely get shot down. Again, I'm not trying to sound arrogant but we are usually very successful in the FW-190 and usually easily out-score/perform the 109's. In fact, overall I usually see the 190 out-score the 109. Most people just don't know how to fly it correctly or don't have the patience to learn. And I/we also prefer the FW-190A http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif.

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Bearcat99
07-25-2004, 06:31 PM
Online.. offline.... The plane is not to be taken lightly.. in the hands of a competent pilot it spells certain death at the first slip up.

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
07-25-2004, 07:03 PM
if you dont take the FW190 serious ,then you dont wanna meet me and my squadboys in either a Dora or Anton,we can be very succesfull while flying as a team and NO we dont allways BnZ from 5k down on unaware pilots.
besides if you do good in a FW190 you can do good in about any plane inlcuding the P47 wich is more stable and friendlier to fly although it feels a bit heavier (as it should) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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LeadSpitter_
07-26-2004, 01:09 AM
definatly, especially if i see one coming head to head i move the hell out of the way as fast as i could.

and bnzers now omg it accelarates so good now in the dive oleg fixed dive speed accelaration which no one noticed in here yet.

robban showed a test of it before all the dive accelaration has been fixed.

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Fehler
07-26-2004, 01:33 AM
What's a 190? I'll have to try one of those someday... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
07-26-2004, 01:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RK_HH-Sunburst:
if you dont take the FW190 serious ,then you dont wanna meet me and my squadboys in either a Dora or Anton,we can be very succesfull while flying as a team and NO we dont allways BnZ from 5k down on unaware pilots.
besides if you do good in a FW190 you can do good in about any plane inlcuding the P47 wich is more stable and friendlier to fly although it feels a bit heavier (as it should) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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hey sunny, u got my Point http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

190's are verry Good E-Fighters, pretty much fuel, enough ammo and firepower (NO MK108!).
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Henkie_
07-26-2004, 02:49 AM
Not if I see him coming.

I see a lot of 190's online. But I don't respect it more then other enemy planes. It is how the pilot is flying. If he's good I can respect that and he can run away back to his base. If he's not good, then I shoot him down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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07-26-2004, 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
...and bnzers now omg it accelarates so good now in the dive oleg fixed dive speed accelaration which no one noticed in here yet.

robban showed a test of it before all the dive accelaration has been fixed.
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The last I saw of this matter, Robban said that individual dive acceleration is only correct when at 0% throttle. With power applied, everything still dives the same.

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Kasdeya
07-26-2004, 10:03 AM
Depends on the pilot really, but I always give them respect, cause, well, you never know. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Hunde_3.JG51
07-26-2004, 10:06 AM
Well, it looks like there still is no real difference in dive http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif. If dive/zoom/dive acceleration ever do get modelled properly it will help planes like the FW-190, P-51, P-47, etc., but will hurt planes like Spitfire, Yak, Zero, etc. I am curious as to how PF will handle dive/zoom since it was a very important aspect of combat in that theater.

Anyway, the FW-190 is still an awesome weapon in the right hands.

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crazyivan1970
07-26-2004, 10:15 AM
I don`t respect planes, i respect pilots. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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NorrisMcWhirter
07-26-2004, 10:23 AM
Hi,

I fly the 190 so I can appreciate what the other guy is up to when I'm in something else. I respect it because it gives the pilot the power to dictate the battle in terms of engaging or disengaging as they see fit. The firepower is also very much to be respected.

But I'm with Ivan - it's the pilot, not the plane.

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'Bugs? What bugs?'
'AAA steals online kills, crash landing if good landing but out of fuel, muzzle flashes, kill given for planes that have landed OK, AI steals offline kills, gauges not working, Spitfire never overheats, FW190 view, P63 damage model, weird collision modelling...'
'Yeah, but look on the bright side - at least the 0.50s are fixed!'
Moral: $$$ + whining = anything is possible

uiuu
07-26-2004, 12:52 PM
in this game is fw very unreal. its funny how many says - its so dificult, and i learn it thats way i am good..., i am so lucky when i see fw online - its allways as sure kill. here many guys have big mouth, but online its clear.. fw is one of the cheapest plane. but sure - the weapons of fw are really best. real fw has better horizontal turning (not so so impotent like now!), and was quicker. in game is this plane really ... i hope they fix it one day. but they are heros they fly it. its simply nice target http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DuxCorvan
07-26-2004, 01:15 PM
I only respect pregnant women -and not too much... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

- Dux Corvan -
http://www.uploadit.org/DuxCorvan/Altamira2.jpg
Ten thousand years of Cantabrian skinning.

BfHeFwMe
07-26-2004, 02:43 PM
Well, reading all the post, something must be bass ackwards. Why am I always reading posts like these, you have to be an experten to fly 190's right, than get into a 109 thread and everyones trying to convince you only the aces were successful, the noobs were given 190's. So which is it? Can't have it both ways, something smells.

VMF-214_HaVoK
07-26-2004, 03:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by steiner562:
How can you respect a porked FOCKE? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif but being serious for a second I still love to fly them,if flown correctly there a match for anything.

http://www.bf109.com/gallery/grayeagle/gallgray01sm.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You think the FW is porked? LOL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif OOh wait! That was sarcasim...right? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://www.flightjournal.com/fj/images/hellcat_head_short.jpg

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steiner562
07-26-2004, 03:38 PM
Yeah I was kidding Havok,http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, I met one today on warclouds at 5000+ I was flying a p-47D, put a few slugs in him,lots of smoke but he didnt even disengage the fight! lol,tryed a second pass and a second fOCKE appears!(a Dora) the other was an A-8 was talking to the pilot afterwardshttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif,next thing I know Im smoking,second guy got some hits on me so I disengaged and dived like a chicken http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif,they can be very dangerous opponents be suRe of thaT http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Regards
Stein

http://www.bf109.com/gallery/grayeagle/gallgray01sm.jpg

JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
07-26-2004, 04:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by steiner562:
Yeah I was kidding Havok,http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, I met one today on warclouds at 5000+ I was flying a p-47D, put a few slugs in him,lots of smoke but he didnt even disengage the fight! lol,tryed a second pass and a second fOCKE appears!(a Dora) the other was an A-8 was talking to the pilot afterwardshttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif,next thing I know Im smoking,second guy got some hits on me so I disengaged and dived like a chicken http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif,they can be very dangerous opponents be suRe of thaT http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Regards
Stein

http://www.bf109.com/gallery/grayeagle/gallgray01sm.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well as for me, i just got 3 Spitfires on Warclouds, low level, one flight, one ammo load...

http://home.arcor.de/sebastianleitiger/pics/ajatus.jpg

Dolemite-
07-26-2004, 04:08 PM
"I CRUSH you!"http://www.absolutepictures.com//s/schwarzenegger_arnold/images/pictures/047.jpg

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