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BaldieJr
03-26-2004, 02:02 PM
nVidia's new card is only a few weeks away and from what I've been reading, the herd will soon have to replace thier sigs http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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BaldieJr
03-26-2004, 02:02 PM
nVidia's new card is only a few weeks away and from what I've been reading, the herd will soon have to replace thier sigs http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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p1ngu666
03-26-2004, 02:40 PM
not me, too poor http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
just splashed out on 320gig of hd and a dvd writer tho, so its not all bad http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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BaldieJr
03-26-2004, 02:43 PM
I guess I just don't download enough DMCA protected material. I'm still using a 20gb drive!

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Zatorski
03-26-2004, 02:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
nVidia's new card is only a few weeks away and from what I've been reading, the herd will soon have to replace thier sigs http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Baldie, care to elaborate?

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NTESLA
03-26-2004, 03:00 PM
That's not all, much of PC technology is changing a BIG way for this next quarter this includes :

- CPU architecture and form factors
- PC architecture is moving away from ATX going to BTX instead
- AGP to PCI Express
- DDR to DDR2
- USB to officially USB2-High Speed
- SATA to SATA 2
- 32bit OS to 64bit OS

Take a closer look here from CeBIT - Germany 2004 :


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BaldieJr
03-26-2004, 04:02 PM
The next batch of cards from ATI and nVidia will be the last of the AGP stuff. Get it while you can, otherwise you'll have to wait until you can afford a complete upgrade.

If nVidia doesn't pull out the stops this time, you can bet that the consumer will lose. Some big names are going to get pinched if ATI comes out on top again.

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Gibbage1
03-26-2004, 04:07 PM
One thing people dont realize. Even if you dont plan on buying the latest high end card when it comes out, it effects you in a big way! It lowers the price on all other cards to make room for it! I am already seeing ATi's 9800 Pro at $199 to $175 in anticipation for the next big card.

WWMaxGunz
03-26-2004, 04:07 PM
Well, much of last years stuff will hit the bargain basement sooner then for those of us with low budgets.


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Lav69
03-26-2004, 04:26 PM
Sure PCIE is the future, but there is no reason to get all frantic about upgrading. Anyone who has been around computing long enough knows to give new technologies a chance to ferment. And if you think that Nvidia and ATI are going to abandon the current market as soon as PCIE, DDR2, etc. are out you are wrong. At least not right off the bat.

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Agamemnon22
03-26-2004, 04:34 PM
I'm not holding my breath for new nVidia stuff...
Their plans for PCIE are to bridge existing GPU-side AGP technology to PCIE standard. It's a little like plugging an 8-track into a home theater system via an adapter. It'll work but... it'll only work as good as the 8-track. On the other hand, transfer rates are generally not the bottleneck these days so it may not matter. ATI will probably charge a premium for true PCIE compliance because of the R&D that went into it.
Guess we'll see when reviews come out.

arcadeace
03-26-2004, 04:34 PM
You're right its just like PCI video cards, they're still being sold. Manufacturers aren't gonna stop making AGP related components as long as they can make profit.

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p1ngu666
03-26-2004, 05:20 PM
hehe
not worth buyin this new stuff yet
not fast enuff for most peeps etc
i dont dl that much stuff, ive just mp3ed all me cds cos im lazy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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BaldieJr
03-26-2004, 07:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Agamemnon22:
I'm not holding my breath for new nVidia stuff...
Their plans for PCIE are to bridge existing GPU-side AGP technology to PCIE standard. It's a little like plugging an 8-track into a home theater system via an adapter. It'll work but... it'll only work as good as the 8-track. On the other hand, transfer rates are generally not the bottleneck these days so it may not matter. ATI will probably charge a premium for true PCIE compliance because of the R&D that went into it.
Guess we'll see when reviews come out.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

8-track?

Patently wrong. No offense, but you're way incorrect.

If we were talking about analog medium, I might agree with you, but you're talking about digital, and bandwidth is bandwidth is bandwidth.

The only set-back would be latency, but we're talking microseconds here... just doing AA/AF will induce far more latency than bridging AGP to pcie.

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Cedhed
03-26-2004, 07:44 PM
Want some advice? Give the new ideas a year or two for them to work the bugs out and decide on a standard before investing.

Rarely do companies (except Apple) completely drop support for an old technology as soon as a new one comes out.

Typically it takes about 1-2 years for the technology to stabalise, 2-3 for it to be accepted as the standard, and about 5 for the older standard to be dropped.

repoman11
03-26-2004, 07:59 PM
Good news for me. It won't be long before I'll be able to afford to upgrade to a 9800. It may not be top of the line, but it will be much better than my Ti4200.

Arrrra
03-26-2004, 08:15 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NTESLA:
That's not all, much of PC technology is changing a BIG way for this next quarter this includes :

- CPU architecture and form factors
- PC architecture is moving away from ATX going to BTX instead
- AGP to PCI Express
- DDR to DDR2
- USB to officially USB2-High Speed
- SATA to SATA 2
- 32bit OS to 64bit OS
[QUOTE]

Yeah baby, I'm building my new H2O cooled system and am on hold untill the new AMD's and MOBO'S come out.

Its suppose to be within the next month or so.

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dragonhart38
03-26-2004, 08:27 PM
PCI express, DDR2? marketing hype I say.

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Agamemnon22
03-26-2004, 08:32 PM
[QUOTE]
8-track?

Patently wrong. No offense, but you're way incorrect.

If we were talking about analog medium, I might agree with you, but you're talking about digital, and bandwidth is bandwidth is bandwidth.

The only set-back would be latency, but we're talking microseconds here... just doing AA/AF will induce far more latency than bridging AGP to pcie.

[QUOTE]

I didn't mean analog to digital, that's perhaps interpreting my analogy too literally. I mean that PCIE is supposed to have more bandwidth than AGP 8x. However if you're plugging AGP into PCIE its going to bottleneck at the GPU-side AGP bus. I don't know just how much diff it'll make, AGP8x seems more than sufficient these days, heck there wasn't even that great an increase in frame rates going from 4x to 8x, so it isn't THE bottleneck now. But who knows, we'll see when benchmarks come out.

Sorry to give a misleading analogy there http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HarryVoyager
03-26-2004, 09:04 PM
Bandwidth is only as large as the largest pipe, and converters, by there very nature, cannot have a larger bandwidth or better latency characteristics than the lines they are converting, without being noncausal. As we are currently stuck with purely causal devices, we're stuck with converters that have lag and limited bandwidth.

Now life gets really interesting once you can make devices that truely are noncausal. I'd love to work with a noncausual device, jsut to see all the neat things we could do with it.

Harry Voyager

dugong
03-26-2004, 09:13 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by arcadeace:
You're right its just like PCI video cards, they're still being sold. Manufacturers aren't gonna stop making AGP related components as long as they can make profit.

[QUOTE]

It is alllllll marketing. They make plenty profit selling PCI stuff. There are no ads in PC Gamer and such for them. They put the new stuff in our face for big bucks while they still sell the old stuff.

It must work - we still buy fast video cards and they still sell slow ones!

Bearcat99
03-26-2004, 09:48 PM
I upgraded to my current rig a few months ago and I just got a 9800 pro.... I dont care how cheap it gets.. I wont be upgrading till at least 2Q 2006 and who knows what the hey may be going on by then. For all I know virtual flying may be the farthest thing from my mind..... and if the world's economic and political situation hasnt collapsed in on itself GOD willing I'll worry about that then. At the moment I run FB great with what I have and since 80% of my time on my computer is FB related I am just fine.

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For those of you on the verge of an upgrade... good luck in choosing... I cant get over the fact that when the 9800Pro came out around July or August... (I had been working my PT gig at Best Buy for maybe a month or two I think... and I started there at the end of June) the card was $399... the 9800 NP was $299.. the XT wasnt even released..... I got my 9800 Pro for $199 at Comp USA about 3 weeks ago.... 50% drop in 6 months... wow...but I really dont think that the 9800 Pros will drop too much below that. I see them on Pricewatch now for $207.. the 9700Pro is actually cheaper than the 9500 Pro..... by 11 bucks!!! You figure.. with 9700 Pros going now for $175-$185... 9800 Pros may go down to $190 or so eventually but I dont think much lower... not in the next year or so...till PCI express is really IN THERE... and you know how that works.. the older technology becomes more expensive.... Look at PCI video cards...they are more expensive than AGP cards now if you compare the same card... like say a FX5200 AGP vs FX5200 PCI.. the PCI is more $$$.... so AGP isnt going to go down much and soon if you want PCI you may be SOL.

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NTESLA
03-26-2004, 11:02 PM
The truth is and will be always, if you are happy with what you have now in terms of sims/games/software then upgrading is not needed. Just find a system that will play the stuff you like now for a reasonable price, just like Bearcat has done. I personally never buy the top notch technology, I buy one or two notches below that. There are good reasons for that, some of the new technology might not catch on with manufacturers and might be dropped off for something else (i.e. RAMBUS) so like some here had said, let it grow a bit ( a bit in technology time line is aprox. 6 months and it's getting shorter!!!). This way in about that time, new things will come out or revised versions of it, making it cheaper for all of us. But here is the problem with all of us, at least the general sim public, when we see the eye candy of a new upcoming sim we just get fixed on that and then the upgrading craze starts again to just run that eye candy on your machine. I will never forget DID's F22ADF and how I thought that this will be my ONLY and MAIN sim that I will play and that I would not upgrade for about 4 years! This way I got myself to purchase a Voodoo1 card just to see this baby run! ...but soon after, Jane's F-15 came out...and you all know the story from there on. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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