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BaldieJr
05-05-2004, 06:53 AM
Since I wasn't in WWII, nor have I ever flown anything besides a few kites, I have to ask some questions about taxi procedures.

Taxi left seems to be common. Why?
If you spawn in an area where taxi left means taxi for 30 minutes, wouldn't it make more sense to taxi to the apron closest to you?
When the field is being strafed why taxi at all? Doesn't that make you predictable?

I plowed several people last night because they were taxiing to the furthest apron, which made no sense to my feeble mind. My appologies for that.

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BaldieJr
05-05-2004, 06:53 AM
Since I wasn't in WWII, nor have I ever flown anything besides a few kites, I have to ask some questions about taxi procedures.

Taxi left seems to be common. Why?
If you spawn in an area where taxi left means taxi for 30 minutes, wouldn't it make more sense to taxi to the apron closest to you?
When the field is being strafed why taxi at all? Doesn't that make you predictable?

I plowed several people last night because they were taxiing to the furthest apron, which made no sense to my feeble mind. My appologies for that.

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Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

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TgD Thunderbolt56
05-05-2004, 06:58 AM
IMO...If the base is NOT under seige, taxi, line-up, check for "all clear" and start your run.

If the base is under attack, get airborn the fastest, most efficient way you can to achieve CAP and deal with the current threat.

When I taxi, I usually try to observe what most others are doing as well as get to the nearest apron. I do both.



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michapma
05-05-2004, 06:59 AM
Hi Baldie,

1) You are talking about dogfight servers. What does this have to do with WWII procedures?

2) In my experience, in dogfight servers most pilots do whatever they please, regardless of what they are asked. Also see point 1. I wish you the best in trying to make sense of this experience. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Diablo310th
05-05-2004, 07:12 AM
Baldie....I alwasy try to taxi to the shortest end of the runway. I use a FFB stick and flying the Jug almost requires using the runway to take off with any kind of speed. The only time I don't use it is when I have to scrabble.

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BaldieJr
05-05-2004, 07:26 AM
Ok, the reason why I ask...

I'm not a squad guy. I don't know how groups handle a mass take-off because I've never done it, but I'm assuming that most squads have some sort of method for getting a group airborne.

With warclouds getting more and more team oriented, I'm finding myself trailing blindly behind planes on the taxi-way, and often, I end up cramming my prop up thier tail because the person in front did not do what I was expecting.

I know, you're going to say "weave your plane". To that I say "No.". lol. Some planes just don't weave well, and if I'm loaded down with 2,000 lbs of bombs, a full tank, and some rockets, I can't waste any runway length with weaving. Add a vulcher to the scenario and you've got a real mess.

Oh, and for you guys who fly as 01 ALL THE TIME. Please stop http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I saw 3 '47's last night flying as 01.

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Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

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Bearcat99
05-05-2004, 07:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Diablo310th:
Baldie....I alwasy try to taxi to the shortest end of the runway. I use a FFB stick and flying the Jug almost requires using the runway to take off with any kind of speed. The only time I don't use it is when I have to scrabble.
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VW-IceFire
05-05-2004, 07:29 AM
Assuming its the smaller airbase type with two aprons I usually taxi straight out onto the runway (provided no planes appear to be on a landing run) I run up with the far end and I give it full power.

You kind have to use the S taxi approach in external off servers. Especially in the P-47 the P-40, and other tail draggers with big noses.

But most dogfight servers you'll see a bunch of people. Some will just fly straight ahead, cross the runway (cause collissions) and fly off along the grass. Others will use the taxiways (I do often) to take off (thus leaving the main runway for bomber takeoff or landing). Depends on you really http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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TugZooey
05-05-2004, 07:51 AM
So the best way to see where you are going is similar to checking your 6? I've always had a lot of trouble taxiing especially in crowded servers with only 1 base. I apologize to anyone I've rammed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif .

Hawg-dawg
05-05-2004, 08:17 AM
At a feild with a tower, you would contact them for patern direction .It is published on charts . You would back taxi to the end of the run way and take off into the wind . We need wind soxs, but we dont have them so who knows witch way the wind is blowing. . Left or right landing and take off patterns at small feilds are usally determaned by obstuctions on one side of feild or other I usally head to the longer runway strech ,unless feid is under attack.......

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LilHorse
05-05-2004, 08:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Ok, the reason why I ask...

I'm not a squad guy. I don't know how groups handle a mass take-off because I've never done it, but I'm assuming that most squads have some sort of method for getting a group airborne.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean besides when a mission has the planes lined up already? I would hope most squads are using comms to figure out the order of takeoff if they're together in a DF server. Otherwise, it'd be like in missions. Once lined up, just stand on one break and advance throttle a little to get a side angle view of the planes in front and behind you.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
With warclouds getting more and more team oriented, I'm finding myself trailing blindly behind planes on the taxi-way, and often, I end up cramming my prop up thier tail because the person in front did not do what I was expecting.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like I said, unless Warclouds has comms channels set aside in TS (which I think they do) it'll be hard to do with chat. Especially when so many ppl in these servers just go zipping accross taxiways and runways. By the time you're done typing they're either gone or have rammed into somebody whose trying to takeoff the right way.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I know, you're going to say "weave your plane". To that I say "No.". lol. Some planes just don't weave well, and if I'm loaded down with 2,000 lbs of bombs, a full tank, and some rockets, I can't waste any runway length with weaving. Add a vulcher to the scenario and you've got a real mess.
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You may not have to weave too much. Like I described above, once you're ready to take off you can just cant your plane on an angle to see around you to see when it's all clear.

Also Baldie, you should really concider joining a squad. You've been around too long not to experiance it. It's the best way to fly.

BaldieJr
05-05-2004, 10:37 AM
Are you nuts? I can't join a squadron, it would screw up my (perfect) HL callsign!

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Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

</pre>

SeaFireLIV
05-05-2004, 10:47 AM
Seems to me BaldieJR, that you are indeed trying to taxi with guys communicating on comms. You really ought to join a squad, there`s nothing like a well executed ordered take off where no-one collides, then a form up.

As for weaving to see, it`s not like weaving madly. If you keep to a slow speed and use your break, it`s very easy to turn your cockpit so as to see left or right. And if you`re REALLY stuck text a message, some might help with the general situation- I would anyway.

In emergencys, I`ll take the quickest unblocked path, sometimes i even weave as I take off if I know someone`s got me targeted- not easy though.

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El Turo
05-05-2004, 11:00 AM
On a dogfight server?

I thought this was universally known/agreed amongst most vets that you take off on the taxi-ways and land on the runways?

I don't think I've flown a plane yet that couldn't take off from the taxiway under full throttle and combat flaps at the threshold.

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BaldieJr
05-05-2004, 11:05 AM
Thats what I'm talking about!

I knew there was a gentlemans agreement over take-offs / landings, I just needed someone to explain it.

Are there any right-of-way agreements for planes that are in que awaiting take-off? Bombers first? Ladies first? The guy with the largest weopon first?

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Specs:
More expensive than the dining set.
Less expensive than the couch.
Smaller than the dishwasher.
Just as noisy as the refridgerator.
Faster than the cars' computer.
Less practical than the car.
Face it, people who put thier computer specs in thier signature are pretty ****ing wierd.

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El Turo
05-05-2004, 11:17 AM
On a dogfighting server, it's almost always been first come, first serve and smoke 'em if you got 'em as far as I've ever seen.

The only exception being co-ops or other more "organized" operations/events involving a higher level of teamwork.

But then, there's nothing keeping anyone from doing whatever the hell they want to.. but damn it's annoying to be limping your beat up bird home and be on short final approach with some asshat taking off on the runway in front of you or criss-crossing the runways/taxiways russian-roulette style.

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Diablo310th
05-05-2004, 11:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Diablo310th:
Baldie....I alwasy try to taxi to the shortest end of the runway. I use a FFB stick and flying the Jug almost requires using the runway to take off with any kind of speed. The only time I don't use it is when I have to scrabble.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What!! You dont use your FFB stick for that triple word score? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

LOL hmm triple word score???? LOL I reckon not there Bearcat http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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ASM 1
05-05-2004, 02:17 PM
Sorry this is completely OT and I probably shouldn't say it but I saw this topic and thought "Let's talk about taxiing" and nearly fell off my chair cos the song came into my head....

"Lets talk anout taxiing bay-by lets talk about you and me.... lets talk about all the good things and the bad things that may mean....Lets talk abooooout Taxi-ing!"

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Sorry, no offence intended, just me being daft.

For what its worth.... getting back on topic, I agree with H_Butcher, I thought that's how it worked too. And I am by no means a vet! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Chuck_Older
05-05-2004, 03:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:

What!! You dont use your FFB stick for that triple word score? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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Diablo310th
05-06-2004, 06:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:

What!! You dont use your FFB stick for that triple word score? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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LOLOLOLOL hmm is that anything like FFF? LOL


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Snuffy_Hadden
05-06-2004, 07:38 PM
It's probably a damned good thing weather and wind are not modeled in this game. Runways and take offs are usually set up so that you fly into the wind on take of for the added lift.

Papa_K
05-06-2004, 09:50 PM
Taxiing is an option to some.

Some people seem to believe they ARE lined up for takeoff as soon as they start:

"Damn this runway is short...but it sure is wide!"

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