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Call_me_Kanno
01-06-2004, 04:37 PM
I done a little research on the Po-2 and found it's history very interesting. Here's a pic of the plane and a link to a good article on it's role in the Eastern front war.

http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v22/Kanno/Po-2.bmp

http://www.geocities.com/malcolmtribute/nightwitches.html

Call_me_Kanno
01-06-2004, 04:37 PM
I done a little research on the Po-2 and found it's history very interesting. Here's a pic of the plane and a link to a good article on it's role in the Eastern front war.

http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v22/Kanno/Po-2.bmp

http://www.geocities.com/malcolmtribute/nightwitches.html

Call_me_Kanno
01-06-2004, 04:38 PM
Ahhh! Didn't do the pic link right.

http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v22/Kanno/Po-2.bmp

Copperhead310th
01-06-2004, 05:07 PM
Wow cool. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

you know there is already a 588th squadron
in FB made up of all girl.
I'm sure they'd really love to have this plane in the gamehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Here's a ink to thier web site.
588th Nachthexen (http://geocities.com/Nachthexen588th/)

http://imageshack.us/files/380th%20siggy.jpg

ShadowSix
01-06-2004, 05:53 PM
Thanks Call_me_Kanno for the Night Witches link. There's nothing like harassment night bombing! I have another link bookmarked for the sexy "Nachthexen":

http://pratt.edu/~rsilva/witches.htm

--ShadowSix

Willy_Wombat
01-06-2004, 06:04 PM
Well you done good Kanno, you done good.

LEXX_Luthor
01-06-2004, 07:08 PM
Excuse me, what about this Night Witches movie? Can't seem to find alot about it. One link gave 2005.

Malcolm McDowell played Yottskry in I Worship His Shadow, the first LEXX movie.

WRONG again. http://www.boardy.de/images/smilies/kopfpatsch.gif MM played Yottskry in GigaShadow the last LEXX movie of season 1.



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CzechTexan
01-06-2004, 11:55 PM
a night witches movie? really? That would be interesting. I always thought a movie should be made about Lidiya Litvak. Her life and career certainly was interesting.

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80% of all German casualties in WW2 were on the Eastern Front.
I need to make my pic smaller before i can post it.
http://server5.uploadit.org/files2/281203-000_0049.JPG

Zayets
01-07-2004, 01:21 AM
yeah
So called Night Witches were useful ... for Germans. They knew that is sleep hour when they came over their positions.The outcome of their missions was so bad that nobody even bothered to shoot them down.Everybody was continuing their poker , or sleep.Depends what they were doing,hehehe.Except for the fact that these were regiments including only woman able to fly a Po , there's nothing special.

Zayets out

CzechTexan
01-07-2004, 12:17 PM
"only able to fly a PO"...
... that was an incorrect statement. These were skilled pilots and the other regiment flew the Pe-2 twin-engined dive bomber which was very difficult to handle. These women did not choose to fly the PO-2/U2-VS, this plane was given to them. They had aspirations to be fighter pilots and had the skills to do so if given the opportunity.
They may not have caused much damage because of the small weapons payload. but their main weapon was psychological. For the Germans: fear for getting too close to the warm fire on a cold night...a po-2 might be aiming its bombs at it and it's so quiet you won't know it's coming. For the Russians: good for morale knowing everything is being thrown at the enemy... obsolete planes and female troops.
Give them credit for bravery. It was not a joking matter to them. Flying several missions (one woman flew 18)over enemy territory IN ONE NIGHT in an obsolete deathtrap...would you want to do that? They did.

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80% of all German casualties in WW2 were on the Eastern Front.
I need to make my pic smaller before i can post it.
http://server5.uploadit.org/files2/281203-000_0049.JPG

horseback
01-07-2004, 03:33 PM
Soviet female pilots were unique at the time, although it should be remembered that no WWII era fighters other than the late P-38s had any kind of boost to the pilot's control inputs.

Above average upper body strength and endurance were required to fly a fighter to its full potential. The Po-2 required less brute force to manage effectively, so assignment of relatively few women to fighters may not have been the overt acts of sexism modern folks might otherwise assume.

Pictures of LT Litvak indicate that she was a big-boned farmer's daughter type; she appears to be the physical norm for Soviet female fighter pilots, though the wartime photos of women in flight suits were anything but revealing...

The fact of the matter was, these women were all volunteers for a job I would find grotesquely frightening. Judging from American accounts of "Washing Machine Charlie" night time tactics used by the Japanese & North Koreans, they had to have quite an effect on the ground troops. Flying something that fragile in the dark required courage and skill, and it took twice as much courage and skill to LAND them in the dark on unprepared fields.

You go, girls!

horseback

"Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" -LTCOL Don Blakeslee, 4th FG CO, February 27th, 1944

xenios
01-07-2004, 06:58 PM
The night harrassment raids may not have had much of an effect, but these units performed other more important functions. Recon, supply drops to partisans and encircled troops, and ambulance duty were among their more useful functions.

Friendly or enemy planes at any time does have a psychological effect on ground troops. The idea that the Germans didn't even fire on them is nonsense. I remember reading in the Forgotten Soldier (the best first person account of an infantryman) how profoundly the appearance of planes affected the author.

If you've read any of the accounts from these Po2/U2 pilots, you would know that some of their missions were as harrowing as the dambuster's raid. It would be interesting to fly some of these missions.

[This message was edited by xenios on Wed January 07 2004 at 07:40 PM.]

LEXX_Luthor
01-07-2004, 07:22 PM
In 17 Fnebuary 1944, it was the humble Po~2 that began a chain of events that elimniated the last German force in the Korsun bag. In a blizzard the little Po~2s were able to drop incendiary bombs on Shanderovka, the last German held town in the Korsun bag ("little stalingrad"), and then the big bombers could find the town and their bombing forced the Germans to begin their breakout in the blizzard at night, exhausted with no sleep. 20,000+ were massacred the next day, 8000 taken prisoner.

All because of the Po~2.


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NegativeGee
01-07-2004, 09:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
yeah
So called Night Witches were useful ... for Germans. They knew that is sleep hour when they came over their positions.The outcome of their missions was so bad that nobody even bothered to shoot them down.Everybody was continuing their poker , or sleep.Depends what they were doing,hehehe.Except for the fact that these were regiments including only woman able to fly a Po , there's nothing special.

Zayets out<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats right, night time harassment raids by light bombers were so ineffective the Germans decided to copy the practice (using, for example, the He 50) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - Gunther Rall

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PBNA-Boosher
07-27-2004, 11:54 AM
Aha, some people are starting to learn about my Nadia, Lilya, Valeriia, etc..

Boosher
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ELEM
07-27-2004, 12:11 PM
I have a signed painting of Nadezhda "Nadya" Popova's Po-2 (The high preistess witch) above my PC. From what I have read on the internet, the movie has run into financial trouble and may never be finished. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

http://img35.photobucket.com/albums/v107/Elem_Klimov/I-16_desktop.jpg http://img35.photobucket.com/albums/v107/Elem_Klimov/dhm_787_small.jpg

Monson74
07-27-2004, 01:29 PM
Just read a book about Waffen-SS volounteers from the occupied countries serving on the Eastern Front & it's funny that this is comming up because these night raids on the German positions were mentioned quite a few times. Only did the authers not mention the type of the a/c used but that is all clarified now. Thx. The soldiers used to call the planes "mills" (in their respective languages) due to their low speed & flat nose. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

S!

Monson


"The Zerst├┬Ârers will form an offensive circle." - G├┬Âring

PBNA-Boosher
07-27-2004, 01:37 PM
Yeah. I read in the book, "A Dance with Death," that by the end of the war the 46th Guards bomber regiment had completed 24,000 missions during the war. There were 23 total heros of the Soviet Union, and innumerrable more Orders of Lenin, of the Red Banner, and of Alexander Nevsky.

This group of dedicated women is one of the things I admire. I hope that one day, when I travel to Russia, I will be able to meet some of them, before they are all gone.

You guys are going to get a kick out of my "Nachthexen" campaign. All I need is the Po-2 flyable, which it will be quite soon. Then you guys will find yourselves in one of the most immersive campaigns I have to offer.

Here's the basic subject matter of my campaign:

You are an officer in the 588th NBAP squadron and have been assigned to office work, however, due to your skills as a pilot, having over 2500 flying hours, you sneak on as many raids as you can. The campaign will be as historical as possible, and will be very hard. It may get frustrating at times, but completing each mission will be very rewarding. Dodging enemy fighters, spotlights, and ground fire in the Po-2 is not as easy as it seems. If you survive to May 2nd, 1945, you will not only have completed my 150-200 mission campaign, but you will feel all that much closer to the women who really faced these hardships, and pulled through together.
Boosher
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"So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you..."
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[This message was edited by PBNA-Boosher on Tue July 27 2004 at 12:47 PM.]

Call_me_Kanno
07-27-2004, 03:24 PM
Wow. This thread rose up out of the dust...lol.

Looking forward to the Night Witches campaign Boosher. Glad to hear the PO-2 is coming. I took a lot of shots of one that is in a museum near me and sent them to a person who was interested in doing this plane so I'm happy they helped.

Got to hold these ladies in high respect for they done.

http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v22/Kanno/Sig.jpg

Zayets
07-27-2004, 03:27 PM
And I still keep my oppinion,hehehehe!

Zayets out

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/Zayets-sigIAR.jpg